UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #10

[HongKongPhooey]

Good to "see" you @moonsafari

 

[Popejohn3]

No it's not so bad, they played music but I don't know how many people live in the immediate vicinity/how far sound travels. All of which can be mitigated with the best version of everything technologically.
Anyway I went there with some Italians recently. The students, well early twenties or younger looking people, at Bobo Lobo were let in before us, well they skipped the queue. I jokingly called them Karen, which in my vocab is code for "Cossacks."

9 grand a year to study mostly online until things change, pretty disgraceful but I think the powers that be/do want people to blame academics/academia and intellectualism generally. At the same time, specialism aside it's a good idea for all people to be as literate and able minded as possible.
I think the main issue in society is the ideological vs the practical, what you believe to be morally right vs your proximity to making that happen/living amongst the even unintended consequences in a practical and political sense and who might have to do that in your place, and why, and what that could mean for you if eventually 'they' come knocking at your door too.
Job/life satisfaction is also important ofc.
Maybe this is a war against the needy or overly social, or in favour of. For me it's best to appreciate people in a closed off way, I'm still a scrounge though.....

As clear as mud ???

 

[MajorLang]

@AcbMurders did you or any of your friends ever go to the Vudu Lounge Nightclub?
We know Claudia and 'friends' had nights out in the town centre I was just wondering if the Vudu Club would have been a club of choice to visit

@keepitreal. Did she not frequent a club called Dusk? @moonsafari mentions one in her blog and is a very reliable source of information.

 

[MajorLang]

@AcbMurders did you or any of your friends ever go to the Vudu Lounge Nightclub?
We know Claudia and 'friends' had nights out in the town centre I was just wondering if the Vudu Club would have been a club of choice to visit

@keepitreal. Did she not frequent a club called Dusk? @moonsafari mentions one in her blog and is a very reliable source of information.

 

[LuluR38]

none of the arrests made in the north east, either....the nearest would probably be Scotland, or Manchester, but, as I say, could be personal connections.....just shows how many links there are in a drugs chain.

im not accusing Claudius Newcastle boyfriend of being involved in drugs...I dont know anything about him......but it does make you wonder how they met and if the trips to see each other were purely about their relationship

He was playing a rugby game or something and they met in a bar I believe ...

 

[MajorLang]

I am aware of the sexual touching incident back in 2009.
But just wondered if it was popular it was back in Claudias day or if it was a bit of a dive.
But more importantly did Claudia frequent it

One of Pavlou brothers (George) was convicted for touching a guest one evening but this was 3 weeks after Claudia went missing.

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4348909.george-pavlou-of-the-vudu-lounge-york-in-sexual-touching-court-shame

This could be totally separate and would be strange for him to do this not long after Claudia had dissapeared. Particularly if he was keeping his head down.
I'm sure this was one of hundreds of sexual offences in York at this time.

 

[cortina]

ive heard dusk as somewhere claudia used to go to...cant remember who posted it

 

[MajorLang]

I have heard she mixed with the traveller community, & POI DR has a business with 1,
With quite a well known surname local.. cud that be a lead Where the drugs are concerned ?!?!

The word "community" has been mentioned in the context of a group of people that "you wouldn't want to mix with" but this could be a number of different communities and not just Gypsies.

 

[MajorLang]

I think I read somewhere She had an inheritance given, & in the electoral roll she lived in thirlwell road or drive which belonged to her dad, she lived there with PMG before she went to HR on her own/mortgage

I have not seen any mention of her living at Thirlmere Road with anyone.
Suzy Cooper lived close to here and so it is quite possible that she met Suzy before she moved to Heworth Road.

 

[MajorLang]

ive heard dusk as somewhere claudia used to go to...cant remember who posted it

I did 5 minutes ago

 

[cortina]

I think dusk was. part of a chain, or there was just a club of the same name where I used to live

thanks for clearing up the communities point, major...ive seen it posted quite a few times in connection with gypsies

can anybody please clear up the point if its suspected that the Cyprus lot were trying to muscle in on the Heworth drugs connection.

thats how I interpreted one post but I may have misunderstood what the poster was trying to say...think it was vixie

 

[MajorLang]

with the drugs scene, a reason. could be that she couldn't keep her mouth shut when shed been drinking, or that, when drunk, shed badly insulted one of the major players.

or maybe everyone was very tense because of what was happening and she started getting on someones nerves and they lashed out.

or maybe she took or was given....accidentally or not...an overdose or some funny stuff.

im not sure if someone hinted in a post that the Cyprus gang were trying to muscle in on the normal channels the Heworth lot used

there are probably other drug related scenarios possible

maybe some drugs or money for drugs had gone missing...maybe she was acting as a mule and wanted more money or was complaining about the price of the stuff she was consuming.

I know this is only my opinion but I dont think the main motive was to do with her sex life...it may have been an aggravating, contributory factor, but I dont think it was. the trigger

the only exception I could think of to this would be jk going into meltdown
and if you'd consider her being murdered because of something she gave as a present. to dan as to do with her sex life...im thinking of jealousy or revenge acts in that category

But @cortina everything you have mentioned here is pure speculation and yes it could have been one or many of theses things.
Problem is that it creates many rabbit holes for us to go down.
Best to stick to known evidence of any facts we have.
I haven't heard any new ones since @Vixey revealed the tapes.

 

[MajorLang]

I think dusk was. part of a chain, or there was just a club of the same name where I used to live

thanks for clearing up the communities point, major...ive seen it posted quite a few times in connection with gypsies

can anybody please clear up the point if its suspected that the Cyprus lot were trying to muscle in on the Heworth drugs connection.

thats how I interpreted one post but I may have misunderstood what the poster was trying to say...think it was vixie

Cyprus has only ever been reported in the context of Robbie Blake and his bans from Glasgow and Steve Sammins, George Foreman's friend.
Other than Claudia holidaying in Cyprus of course.

 

[MajorLang]

it sure is, ollie

Make a good double act

 

[keep-it-real]

@keepitreal. Did she not frequent a club called Dusk? @moonsafari mentions one in her blog and is a very reliable source of information.

Yes I understand @moonsafari said the last time she met Claudia was around Christmas time 2008 outside a Club called Dusk in York city centre.

Im interested to know how well if at all Claudia knew the Pavlou brothers.

 

[moonsafari]

Truth is there isn’t much choice in York as far as night clubs are concerned. I remember going to a couple of similar places in the ‘90s when I first moved here. They can be good fun if you’re quite drunk or want a laugh and a boogie with the girls (as in CL’s case, I suspect). People with higher standards and money would probably go to Leeds or Manchester.

Yes that last late night out she had.

@keepitreal. Did she not frequent a club called Dusk? @moonsafari mentions one in her blog and is a very reliable source of information.

Yes she did. There, nextdoor, Vudu, Gallery and a couple of places in the Mickelgate area open past 3am-ish at that time iirc.

 

[cortina]

yes, major, it is all speculation, I know, but I dont think the evidence leads us to. anything more concrete....or am I missing something

 

[keep-it-real]

Yes that last late night out she had.


Yes she did. There, nextdoor, Vudu, Gallery and a couple of places in the Mickelgate area open past 3am-ish at that time iirc.

@moonsafari do you know if she knew the Pavlou brothers, also can you shed any light on how the Horwell -Pavlou business partnership came about for the Casino proposal

 

[MajorLang]

Yes I understand @moonsafari said the last time she met Claudia was around Christmas time 2008 outside a Club called Dusk in York city centre.

Im interested to know how well if at all Claudia knew the Pavlou brothers.

Well Lee Horwell was doing a business deal with his brother and them and so this is where the connection could be

 

[MajorLang]

@moonsafari do you know if she knew the Pavlou brothers, also can you shed any light on how the Horwell -Pavlou business partnership came about for the Casino proposal

Was it not a land deal?
Horwells had a lucrative piece of land Pavlous wanted to open a casino?
But who was the real money behind this?
Was it not the guy who sent a sympathy message to his old "mucker" quoting David Horwell when he died?