UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #18

[Pinkizzy]

And just to lob in one more. Like everyone else here I’ve pored over the ML blog numerous times and I’ve always been sceptical, if not dismissive of his suggestions of various ‘phantom’ figures in the cctv, but it was only scrubbing back and forward on the 7.15pm alley man footage (thereby cutting out the fade to black) tonight that I actually noticed something really does appear across the road between the first and second sequences.

7.15pm (alley man going down): Nothing.
1 minute 8 seconds later (alley man coming back): White blob appears, apparently in line with the wall at the front of the property opposite.
5.08am on the 19th: Nothing again.

I wonder what that missing one minute and eight seconds of video shows. Is that why the alley man is considered so significant?

Link to cctv:

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Claudia Lawrence police seek two men seen on CCTV

Footage shows two men near to missing chef's York home around the time of her disappearance

www.theguardian.com

It looks like drug dealing is in progress or white jumper man is a look out. Did the house owners have CCTV?

 

[cortina]

Still a possible option. Just because the police say it is more likely to be the morning because her bag was gone and breakfast pots (Joan said that Claudia didn't usually eat breakfast)

I still think its more likely that it happened overnight, but you're right....just because there was obviously something going on in the road that night, that may or may not have involved Claudia, and there also seems to have been something happening outside her house early in the morning, that doesn't mean that she wasn't safe and well at that time...or. thought she was...its. just possible that she spent the night elsewhere unaware that her. house was being sorted out for some reason...but I think its less likely than the other scenarios

 

[cortina]

Does anyone here keep their house tidy like Claudia's house? She may have cleaned the house before she left for good.

goodness, pinklizzy, I don't...and. my mother. could definitely have told the police I wouldn't leave my slippers so neatly placed...

to be fair, I imagine that Claudia would have really enjoyed getting a place to look good...but I didn't know her.

which has made me think....weve heard. a lot. from her friends about her character, but. not one has commented on whether she was house proud...her. house always looked very. clean and tidy...she took great pride in how her. house looked...or otherwise...as far as I know, they haven't said. whether her house. always looked like this....and she would. have been more likely to have done. a clean or tidy up for her mother than for them...are they afraid of saying it looked as though the house had been spruced up by a. third party

 

[shadwell]

Yes I agree about being sceptical of all the phantom figures, and Im pretty sure at least one of those talked about is a cctv camera!

However I've posted before that I believe the "white blob" could be very significant, as I think it could be why alley man pauses where he does, as this is where the "white blob" comes into view for him. If only we could see the uncut cctv to see where the blob appears from and where it goes after alleyman continues his way along Heworth rd.

I keep looking at it, but I’m none the wiser and cranking the image sharpness, saturation etc doesn’t improve matters. And I take your point about the alley man stopping at pretty much the point where the driveway would come into view, though after stopping he seems to pay little further attention to whatever it is.

The only thing I am certain of with regard to this is that NYP have higher resolution images ‘in house’ than they ever release to the public (with the exception of the occasional ‘enhanced’ still image) - so they are currently better placed to know what the white blob is than any of us.

 

[NorthParade]

Regarding the white blob: am I alone in seeing the similarity to ‘Costcutter Man’ in the second photo? I can’t recall if he was traced and eliminated or not.

 

[Raffy]

Regarding the white blob: am I alone in seeing the similarity to ‘Costcutter Man’ in the second photo? I can’t recall if he was traced and eliminated or not. View attachment 386205View attachment 386206

If you read this article the police say it's the same man though i don't know if he has been identified.

Claudia Lawrence police seek two men seen on CCTV

Footage shows two men near to missing chef's York home around the time of her disappearance

www.theguardian.com

 

[NorthParade]

If you read this article the police say it's the same man though i don't know if he has been identified.

Claudia Lawrence police seek two men seen on CCTV

Footage shows two men near to missing chef's York home around the time of her disappearance

www.theguardian.com

Thanks - though the photo I posted from Heworth Place, cropped from @shadwell’s post here, is from the previous evening’s footage apparently. The lighting would seem to back that up. So unless I’ve got this wrong, both alleyway man and Costcutter man are at the scene at the same time in the evening *and* the morning?

And just to lob in one more. Like everyone else here I’ve pored over the ML blog numerous times and I’ve always been sceptical, if not dismissive of his suggestions of various ‘phantom’ figures in the cctv, but it was only scrubbing back and forward on the 7.15pm alley man footage (thereby cutting out the fade to black) tonight that I actually noticed something really does appear across the road between the first and second sequences.

7.15pm (alley man going down): Nothing.
1 minute 8 seconds later (alley man coming back): White blob appears, apparently in line with the wall at the front of the property opposite.
5.08am on the 19th: Nothing again.

I wonder what that missing one minute and eight seconds of video shows. Is that why the alley man is considered so significant?

Link to cctv:

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[Pricklykitty]

Thanks - though the photo I posted from Heworth Place, cropped from @shadwell’s post here, is from the previous evening’s footage apparently. The lighting would seem to back that up. So unless I’ve got this wrong, both alleyway man and Costcutter man are at the scene at the same time in the evening *and* the morning?

This cctv shows a man in a white jacket, appearing to carry something, walking down opposite side of Heworth rd, at the same time alley man is off screen for the short time.

Im pretty sure he is costcutter man though of course just my interpretation

 

[shadwell]

This cctv shows a man in a white jacket, appearing to carry something, walking down opposite side of Heworth rd, at the same time alley man is off screen for the short time.

Im pretty sure he is costcutter man though of course just my interpretation

Yup. The Costcutter still is from the morning of the 19th and my understanding was always that it was believed by NYP to be the same figure seen passing on the ‘odd number’ side of HR while the alley man is out of sight. There is also a similarly dressed figure seen in the 18/3 7.16pm footage crossing the Heworth Place junction on the even side as the alley man walks back towards Heworth Road.

 

[Becci]

With alley man appearing at that time in the morning conveniently before she would be due to leave for work,
I bet shes met him whilst drunk at some point.
Regretted it sober but he's become quickly obsessed.
He follows her to work & there the 2 seen arguing.
Or he offered her a lift to work.
They bicker & she gets out of the car where they carry on the argument.
She realises she's left her bag or mobile in his car & he then forces her in kills & dumps her.
Thats just my opinion which has no doubt already been said lol

 

[Pricklykitty]

Yup. The Costcutter still is from the morning of the 19th and my understanding was always that it was believed by NYP to be the same figure seen passing on the ‘odd number’ side of HR while the alley man is out of sight. There is also a similarly dressed figure seen in the 18/3 7.16pm footage crossing the Heworth Place junction on the even side as the alley man walks back towards Heworth Road.

I wish we could say definitively that "white blob" is or isn't a person, as if it is, then there has to be 2 white jacket men on the screen as he couldn't be crossing the rd and standing against the house at the same time.

My opinion has been that the man crossing the rd on the evening, and the man on the opposite side next morning are different people, though even if I'm right it hasn't answered anything.

 

[Becci]

I zoomed in & took a screenshot.
I'd say definitely a person & there are 2 with white tops seen at the same time on a different image.

 

[Woodburnbay]

Yup. The Costcutter still is from the morning of the 19th and my understanding was always that it was believed by NYP to be the same figure seen passing on the ‘odd number’ side of HR while the alley man is out of sight. There is also a similarly dressed figure seen in the 18/3 7.16pm footage crossing the Heworth Place junction on the even side as the alley man walks back towards Heworth Road.

Watch this cctv footage and focus on the windows on the corner of HP.
You will see orange lights flashing and reflecting on the window.

This has to be from a parked vehicle in the vicinity of the limes wall on HR.

Looking at the lights it can be seen that they are not vehicle hazards but more likely to be of a breakdown truck or a refuse vehicle.

What can we glean from this???

if the driver of that truck was not part of the abduction crew, were they a material witness.

 

[Woodburnbay]

Regarding the white blob: am I alone in seeing the similarity to ‘Costcutter Man’ in the second photo? I can’t recall if he was traced and eliminated or not. View attachment 386205View attachment 386206

It has been said before that Costcutter man appears to be wearing baggy clothes and is that a backpack under his white jacket

 

[Woodburnbay]

Unless CL was in the habit of eating cornflakes with a fork, I’d say those are pasta bowls from an evening meal.

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Is that a fork on the bowl, would that be a breakfast utensil if the bowl was cereal

 

[susie sixpence]

Watch this cctv footage and focus on the windows on the corner of HP.
You will see orange lights flashing and reflecting on the window.

This has to be from a parked vehicle in the vicinity of the limes wall on HR.

Looking at the lights it can be seen that they are not vehicle hazards but more likely to be of a breakdown truck or a refuse vehicle.

What can we glean from this???

if the driver of that truck was not part of the abduction crew, were they a material witness.

It could also be a taxi, aren't there double yellow lines Infront of Claudia's house? It's a bit early for a refuse lorry but possibly a breakdown truck.

 

[Woodburnbay]

Reposting a photo of the living room of 46HR taken shortly after CL’s disappearance which first appeared on thread #9 for info:

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Slippers not at doorway in this photo?

 

[Woodburnbay]

It could also be a taxi, aren't there double yellow lines Infront of Claudia's house? It's a bit early for a refuse lorry but possibly a breakdown truck.

Yes @susie sixpence And if it was a breakdown truck this would be a logged response call to a breakdown.

I read somewhere that when this flashing light was reported to police, police response was that it was the streetlight that was flickering.

Why did police say this when this was not the case.

It is clear to see that there was no street light flickering.

What do Police know that they don't want to share??

 

[LaStrega]

Is that a fork on the bowl, would that be a breakfast utensil if the bowl was cereal

I think I've seen a similar discussion within these threads before - but I always wondered where the food that had been in the dishes/bowls had manifested from...whether breakfast or evening meal. Bowl with fork could be - pasta, take away (chow mein just for eg), stew.... the dishes *look* relatively 'clean' in the photo...scrambled eggs. What I haven't seen, but may be mentioned somewhere, is how anything may have been cooked. There's a toothbrush on the dish drainer - no pans/spoons etc? Were there take-away containers anywhere - in bin? Food packets, egg shells... Small things maybe, and maybe the police know more than we can see - I'd think they'd be able to ascertain what food may be remaining in bowls, and they'd have checked kitchen bins...wouldn't they? DNA traces on forks? Would be strange if there were no fingerprints on a fork, or the glasses - so presumably police know only Claudia touched them. Just mulling really... I think there's a dishwasher in the kitchen - are the dishes stacked ready to go in there? The sink doesn't seem to be near it though?
Inside Claudia's Home - The Sun

 

[Woodburnbay]

Yes @susie sixpence And if it was a breakdown truck this would be a logged response call to a breakdown.

I read somewhere that when this flashing light was reported to police, police response was that it was the streetlight that was flickering.

Why did police say this when this was not the case.

It is clear to see that there was no street light flickering.

What do Police know that they don't want to share??

Was this a refuse /waste wagon and was alley man taking lauds waste food contents from the night before into a bin in Haworth Place to dispose of them.
The refuse collection would then have disposed of any evidence BEFORE anyone notice her missing.

I know a refuse collection day has been stated but o we know for sure that this I accurate.

If this was all planned it would make sense to kill her the night before the waste was collected