UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #1

[TheTruthWillOut]

Back in the 90's I worked at the first recycling centre in my town and going with the theory only his phone made the trip to there (he dropped it in the bin when disposing of his fast food packaging) I wonder if the contents of the bin were emptied inside the recycling centre where the paper goes up on a conveyor belt where the paper is manually separated by workers and non-paper goes along to the compactor for landfill/burning? This assumes it isn't all automated these days though.

So at 08:00 the phone could have either been picked up, switched off and taken by a person on the conveyor or it got crushed in the compactor. I would have thought this scenario has been looked into but there was quite the delay before it was checked out.

"When corrie woke up after 2 hours he was able to continue a conversation and respond appropriately. So being drugged is not a concern to me x"

So he talked to someone after he got up at 3:24 then? And they didn't see anything I guess.

 

[suzyjackson]

Confirmation from Corrie's mum on which doorway he slept in

"No corrie slept in the old mother care doorway. He then got up after 2 hours and walked down to the back of greggs. He seen walking in there and never coming back out in foot. So yes he could have left in a vehicle "

 

[Purplepixii]

Article updated 1hr 30 ago referencing an abandoned white van being investigated (although police saying they don't believe it is connected to the disappearance - quick response considering that, as far as we know, they have no idea where he is...) http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/abandone...rie_mckeague_facebook_group_tip_off_1_4744122

 

[mrazda71]

Confirmation from Corrie's mum on which doorway he slept in

"No corrie slept in the old mother care doorway. He then got up after 2 hours and walked down to the back of greggs. He seen walking in there and never coming back out in foot. So yes he could have left in a vehicle "

Wouldn't any vehicles be picked up leaving that area on cctv? Couldn't any vehicles that did leave be traced?

 

[JamesKing]

"Suffolk police today confirmed they were going to search the van, but they do not believe it is connected to the disappearance of the 23-year-old"

Weird !

They don't know where he is OR how he left Bury, but they know this van is NOT connected to his disappearance !

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Confirmation from Corrie's mum on which doorway he slept in

"No corrie slept in the old mother care doorway. He then got up after 2 hours and walked down to the back of greggs. He seen walking in there and never coming back out in foot. So yes he could have left in a vehicle "

That is what is now Hughes going by Google:



Unless some thought it was somewhere else?

 

[mrazda71]

So the delivery area is one way in and out 'dead end' for vehicles BUT it's not a dead end for pedestrians!! - but after going in there, Corrie is not captured on any cctv coming out.

 

[suzyjackson]

Article updated 1hr 30 ago referencing an abandoned white van being investigated (although police saying they don't believe it is connected to the disappearance - quick response considering that, as far as we know, they have no idea where he is...) http://www.eadt.co.uk /news/abandon...rie_mckeague_facebook_group_tip_off_1_4744122

If this is the same van that has been discussed in the facebook group it's not a quick response at all, that van was reported as being abandoned at the beginning of October. I think the police are just dotting is and crossing ts by checking it now, they haven't connected it so far

 

[suzyjackson]

Wouldn't any vehicles be picked up leaving that area on cctv? Couldn't any vehicles that did leave be traced?

That would seem to be the key question, we've been told the cameras didn't pick up any pedestrians but I haven't seen a specific confirmation either way about whether there was any vehicle traffic - does anyone know?

 

[JamesKing]

Confirmation from Corrie's mum on which doorway he slept in

"No corrie slept in the old mother care doorway. He then got up after 2 hours and walked down to the back of greggs. He seen walking in there and never coming back out in foot. So yes he could have left in a vehicle "

The doorway of "the old mothercare" !!!!! Give me strength !

After "a google", that'll be "number 4" then.

Hughes ? or Oxfam ?

 

[Purplepixii]

Old Mothercare is now Hughes (you can see the "m" on the door handles of the building on Google Streetview).

Personally I'm still unsure about the bin area behind Superdrug where Corrie was last seen heading - the slow journey of that phone doesn't sit well with me - whether he was with the phone or not... I'm also uneasy about all of the flats in the immediate vicinity but assume they have been checked.

As much for myself as anyone else, I put together a map to try and get my head around the area - shout if I have anything wrong / have missed anything.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

That would seem to be the key question, we've been told the cameras didn't pick up any pedestrians but I haven't seen a specific confirmation either way about whether there was any vehicle traffic - does anyone know?

I haven't seen anything that confirms it. I could see at that time of night cars would park behind Greggs as there would be no parking enforcement at that time but if Corrie was seen going behind Greggs then that same CCTV ( the one above the Greenwoods shop?) would at least show a car moving off down Short Brackland or even down toward McDonald's. It would likely be too grainy to show much more than something moving though. Possibly why the info hasn't been released if it can't help?

 

[JamesKing]

Purplepixii


What are your thoughts ?
You mention you don't feel okay with the journey of the phone...time wise.


They say it took 28 minutes to reach Barton.
They say the bin was picked up at 4.00am.
They say the phone was pinging in Barton a 4.30 (approx.)


I reckon it took 28 minutes to get there.
11 miles. 20 plus minutes. A roads.


If Corrie arrived in that "loading area" at 3.24 plus a minute....
....and the bin lorry was there at 4.00am, the "whatever happened", could have easily happened.


If that is "so", then the bin lorry may well be a big distraction now.
My reasons for this are so....


1. Someone that wished to take someone else (pre planned) would remove their mobile.
2. Dumping a mobile somewhere would still leave a trace...to where it was dumped.
3. The logical thing is to dump it in the location that someone is taken.
4. Dumping it "in plain sight" would mean that it could be recovered easily.


The logical thing is, throw it in the bin. Any bin.
The problem here is, it just so happened THIS bin got collected.

 

[suzyjackson]

I haven't seen anything that confirms it. I could see at that time of night cars would park behind Greggs as there would be no parking enforcement at that time but if Corrie was seen going behind Greggs then that same CCTV ( the one above the Greenwoods shop?) would at least show a car moving off down Short Brackland or even down toward McDonald's. It would likely be too grainy to show much more than something moving though. Possibly why the info hasn't been released if it can't help?

I assume the camera is the one with the grainy footage that we've been told is the actual last sighting but imo if you can see enough to know a vehicle is moving you would be able to pick it up on the subsequent cameras as it moved through the town centre.

I'm wondering if the reason Corrie went into the loading area is relevant to what happened to him. Did he need to relief himself but not want to do it in the main street? I can see it would be easy to drop your phone doing that but not into one of those big red bins, usually they are closed and you need to actively lift up the lid to put something in - why would he do that? Why would anyone do that?

 

[JamesKing]

This seems to have the same "hallmarks" as the Luke Durbin disappearance in 2006.
Centre of a busy town. Young guy. Well after "kicking out time" of the clubs.
And it's in the same Constabulary of Suffolk.


A "mugging" seems logical. And then it goes wrong.
BUT whoever then sticks the phone in a bin and carts off the victim completely out of sine and anyone.


It seeming "more well planned" is this

 

[JamesKing]

Suzy


It is pretty much in the direction of travel, for Corrie.... BUT you may have hit on something very significant.


Two hours on the pop....and two hours asleep in a doorway.
Sorry to be blunt, but "nothing warms you up more, than a pee" !


And what a time to be attacked.
Your mind is on something else. Your hands are down. And your back is to the outside world.

 

[suzyjackson]

This seems to have the same "hallmarks" as the Luke Durbin disappearance in 2006.
Centre of a busy town. Young guy. Well after "kicking out time" of the clubs.
And it's in the same Constabulary of Suffolk.


A "mugging" seems logical. And then it goes wrong.
BUT whoever then sticks the phone in a bin and carts off the victim completely out of sine and anyone.


It seeming "more well planned" is this

Interesting, I hadn't heard of Luke Durbin. How awful to be over 10 years with no information.

 

[suzyjackson]

Suzy


It is pretty much in the direction of travel, for Corrie.... BUT you may have hit on something very significant.


Two hours on the pop....and two hours asleep in a doorway.
Sorry to be blunt, but "nothing warms you up more, than a pee" !


And what a time to be attacked.
Your mind is on something else. Your hands are down. And your back is to the outside world.

So, if we assume a mugging, what happened next? The mugger takes Corrie's wallet and phone, sees the phone isn't an iphone or new model so throws it in the bin, is Corrie lying on the ground at this time? If so maybe he gets up, is disorientated and staggers off somewhere before the bin lorry turns up. Does he have a head injury, has he fallen somewhere nearby but still unsearched? We've heard the police have used sniffer dogs, were they specificalliy cadaver ones?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I assume the camera is the one with the grainy footage that we've been told is the actual last sighting but imo if you can see enough to know a vehicle is moving you would be able to pick it up on the subsequent cameras as it moved through the town centre.

I'm wondering if the reason Corrie went into the loading area is relevant to what happened to him. Did he need to relief himself but not want to do it in the main street? I can see it would be easy to drop your phone doing that but not into one of those big red bins, usually they are closed and you need to actively lift up the lid to put something in - why would he do that? Why would anyone do that?

Just had a quick look and I can't see any obvious CCTV if a car went down past McDonald's to the bottom of Looms Lane and left onto Northgate Street to the roundabout. Behind Greggs looks pretty unlit so I doubt the grainy CCTV would even pick up car colour or make never mind number plate. From the roundabout on Northgate Street you would be basically leaving Bury and more cars would be about that would be caught on any CCTV making it difficult and time consuming to trace/eliminate all.

The Police have asked for private property CCTV and even dashcam footage so seem to be at a dead end with whatever CCTV footage they have checked.

 

[suzyjackson]

Just had a quick look and I can't see any obvious CCTV if a car went down past McDonald's to the bottom of Looms Lane and left onto Northgate Street to the roundabout. Behind Greggs looks pretty unlit so I doubt the grainy CCTV would even pick up car colour or make never mind number plate. From the roundabout on Northgate Street you would be basically leaving Bury and more cars would be about that would be caught on any CCTV making it difficult and time consuming to trace/eliminate all.

The Police have asked for private property CCTV and even dashcam footage so seem to be at a dead end with whatever CCTV footage they have checked.

All these different possibilities for pedestrian and vehicle movements and the locations of CCTV cameras, this case is crying out for a reconstruction imo