UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #1

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JamesKing said:
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The logical thing is, throw it in the bin. Any bin.
The problem here is, it just so happened THIS bin got collected.
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The other problem is, by the time anyone realised Corrie was missing (some 50+ hours later) his phone battery would have run out. Had they realised on Saturday they might have still been able to ping it.
 
If Corrie had a car in town.... then why sleep in a bin ?
Climb in the back, don't put the keys in the ignition.... your safe as.
Wake up after 4 hours in a bin, then walk to your car !


So, why sleep in a doorway ?
Easy. You're not "stranded" at that point.
Maybe his mates had gone by 3.24am.


So was he "walking to go home" OR "walking to his car" ?


Continue on past the "loading bay" and then turn right McDonald's.....
.....and there's a big parking area there.


I suspect on Saturdays, it is the "market square". it looks "big" and "central".
And I googled a few images and could see "superdrug" and "Thorntons".
So.... I guess parking would be restricted there.

Good place to be IF you ONLY was staying until 4.00am.




View towards "McDonalds" and the right turn from Short Brackland "loading bay"
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2...4!1sOTpJyxEbZVyhdqt_0iBwdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
 
CoverMeCagney said:
The other problem is, by the time anyone realised Corrie was missing (some 50+ hours later) his phone battery would have run out. Had they realised on Saturday they might have still been able to ping it.
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I'm not sure I understand, the police have the phone pings right up to 8am the next day when it either ran out of battery or was turned off. Imo the battery running out is the most likely.
 
JamesKing said:
If Corrie had a car in town.... then why sleep in a bin ?
Climb in the back, don't put the keys in the ignition.... your safe as.
Wake up after 4 hours in a bin, then walk to your car !


So, why sleep in a doorway ?
Easy. You're not "stranded" at that point.
Maybe his mates had gone by 3.24am.


So was he "walking to go home" OR "walking to his car" ?


Continue on past the "loading bay" and then turn right McDonald's.....
.....and there's a big parking area there.


I suspect on Saturdays, it is the "market square". it looks "big" and "central".
And I googled a few images and could see "superdrug" and "Thorntons".
So.... I guess parking would be restricted there.

Good place to be IF you ONLY was staying until 4.00am.




View towards "McDonalds" and the right turn from Short Brackland "loading bay"
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2...4!1sOTpJyxEbZVyhdqt_0iBwdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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ITA, I don't know why someone who has a car would sleep in a doorway but there's a strong view over on the facebook group that Corrie would be worried about being caught for technically drink driving by just being in his car. I didn't know that was against the law but it seems that military personnel would know and would be very careful not to commit any crimes.
 
Suzy


That's the thing. If it was a mugging, why put the phone in the bin ?


Or put another way... if it was a mugging that went wrong, why put the phone in the bin AND transport the body somewhere else.


The opposing solution could be (and for no other reason than, they may be in panic mode after what they had done) put Corrie in one bin...and throw his mobile that has fallen from him, in another.


I doubt, in that situation, you'd be checking you threw the body AND the phone in the same bin !
 
Re "drink driving".

You can be in your car "drunk", but it isn't a road traffic offence if your keys are not in the ignition.

There would be "no intention" to drive then.
 
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[TD] It depends on the circumstances leading up to it. If somebody else had driven the vehicle, and has merely got out and left you in it, and you were not aware of this, you are not in charge. If, however, you had, by your own means got into the car you would have been in charge and remain in charge.[/TD]
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JamesKing said:
Re "drink driving".

You can be in your car "drunk", but it isn't a road traffic offence if your keys are not in the ignition.

There would be "no intention" to drive then.
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TheTruthWillOut's link says otherwise if I'm reading it correctly, the key issue seems to be whether you are in charge of the vehicle rather than whether you intended to drive but either way it doe provide an explanation as to why Corrie might choose to sleep in the open
 
JamesKing said:
Suzy


That's the thing. If it was a mugging, why put the phone in the bin ?


Or put another way... if it was a mugging that went wrong, why put the phone in the bin AND transport the body somewhere else.


The opposing solution could be (and for no other reason than, they may be in panic mode after what they had done) put Corrie in one bin...and throw his mobile that has fallen from him, in another.


I doubt, in that situation, you'd be checking you threw the body AND the phone in the same bin !
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Imo it would take more than one person to lift someone into a bin if it was of the type of the red ones in the streetview
 
Corrie didn't purposefully sit in a doorway TO sleep, the family say he sat down there to eat his food and fell asleep as is so easy when you've had one too many.
 
suzyjackson said:
Imo it would take more than one person to lift someone into a bin if it was of the type of the red ones in the streetview
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I definitely agree! I think IF he had been IN those bins, wouldn't the dogs have picked up on that?
 
It appears that "having the keys on you" is enough for "intent".
I didn't know that !
 
But it still comes down to the same thing....
....if Corrie entered Short Brackland, but didn't come out, then how did his phone get to Barton Mills, if the only vehicle in the area (known) at that time was a bin lorry that collect "11kgs" of waste, from that area ?


Was he in "that" bin ? Or another bin ?
Surely the police check the other collections the bin lorry picked up.


More Biffa bins, looking up to the Cornhill Shopping Centre.

https://goo.gl/maps/Pz51qEsK9ny
 
The reason you can be charged just for getting in your car drunk is to stop people from sleeping in their car for a few hours and then driving home still over the limit. Sleeping in a car is not comfortable and you're very likely to wake up once the sun comes up.
 
If I can play Devil's Advocate on the mugging angle...

How many muggers are active at 3.30 in the morning?

Even drunk, Corrie's not a good target for a mugger -- too tall and strong, it's better to go for a woman or an elderly or disabled person.

Even if a mugger was targeting clubgoers coming out of clubs, it seems too late...it's also not a good time for mugging someone as they just spent their money in the club, and they probably don't have more than taxi money left.

Even in a mugging gone wrong, I think it's rare to bother to hide the body, the instinct would be to run. I think a mugger's priorities would be to choose an easy target and to be a fast runner. If something goes wrong, even if it's two kids working together, the first thing that happens is one shouts "let's scarper", not "uh oh, let's hang around to hide the body".
 
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37705067?client=ms-android-hms-tef-gb

Couple of things stand out:

Mom believes Corrie is alive

It would "absolutely be in character" for Corrie to get in a strangers car

"Police have so much cctv footage that they've not been able to look at it all yet" - why would police be asking for more private footage if they haven't looked at what they've got already?

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RAF specialist search teams are now involved, searching wooded areas en route to Base from where Corrie was last seen.

Police have also reported that a number of people driving in the area have now been interviewed. Whilst they they hadn’t seen Corrie, have given information that has allowed officers to be able to narrow down that he wasn’t seen walking a particular road at a particular time - police have not stated which particular road they are referring to

https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

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I can't find it but Iay have missed it but do we know when exactly to bin lorry was seized and searched?

Just wondering...if some time had elapsed then just because phone wasn't found in lorry doesn't mean it was never there

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