UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #1

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mrazda71 said:
Interesting that they were 'traced' rather than 'came forward' ...
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I'm getting an ominous feeling about this. I already think, sadly, Corrie is probably no longer with us, but I've reckoned it was accidental up until now.
 
mrazda71 said:
Interesting that they were 'traced' rather than 'came forward' ...
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I suppose if they didn't know anyone was looking for them they would have to be traced. It would depend on how accurate the police description was I guess, if the ages turn out to be wrong for example people might not have realised who the polcie were looking for.

Anyway, with a bit of luck they will have some useful information
 
suzyjackson said:
"The route he would have taken features a network of waterways and lakes that he could have slipped into in the dark" according to the DM
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Really ?

It's not the first time he'd walked home to camp a night out in Bury St Edmund and from my memory of looking at Skiboo's map, I didn't see much water?
 
CoverMeCagney said:
I'm getting an ominous feeling about this. I already think, sadly, Corrie is probably no longer with us, but I've reckoned it was accidental up until now.
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Sadly I think you are right but I still think there's been a terrible accident
 
mrazda71 said:
Really ?

It's not the first time he'd walked home to camp a night out in Bury St Edmund and from my memory of looking at Skiboo's map, I didn't see much water?
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Well it ceratinly wouldn't be the first time the DM has got something wrong. I need to revisit the map
 
suzyjackson said:
Sadly I think you are right but I still think there's been a terrible accident
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I'd be more likely to think that same IF his phone had gone walkabout and no sign of Corrie leaving on foot and no one coming forward saying 'yeah gave the lad a lift to so and so' ...
 
skibaboo said:
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Close to a 3 hour walk it says. That lake there is worrying, if he tried to take a short cut or got lost :/
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Bringing the map forward, I can see there are some bodies of water but not obviously on a route he might have taken. What strikes me is how dark it would have been, we know Corrie didn't have his phone so, I'm guessing, no source of light, I wonder how he would have found his way across fields.
 
suzyjackson said:
Bringing the map forward, I can see there are some bodies of water but not obviously on a route he might have taken. What strikes me is how dark it would have been, we know Corrie didn't have his phone so, I'm guessing, no source of light, I wonder how he would have found his way across fields.
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Do we know that he did walk through fields or use his phone as a torch any other time?

I think I've read that he'd been stationed at that Base for 3 years. That's a lot of nights out that he might have walked back, I'm sure some of those must've been without phone torch light too as who's never had their phone die on a night out ...
 
mrazda71 said:
Do we know that he did walk through fields or use his phone as a torch any other time?

I think I've read that he'd been stationed at that Base for 3 years. That's a lot of nights out that he might have walked back, I'm sure some of those must've been without phone torch light too as who's never had their phone die on a night out ...
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I've also read that he was known to walk home after nights out, I'm just thinking about he managed to do it. Whichever route he took would be rural, no pavements and no street lighting and if you add in being drunk it's not easy by any means.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/71...-McKeague-awol-regiment-cared-puppy-Honington

This article says his car was in the town centre, imo that makes it unlikley that he'd have started walking, he'd more likely have gone to the car to sleep until he felt sober enough to drive. There's a lot of info in the article that I haven't seene before - he was driving his car at 11pm so not much time to get drunk before having the kebab around 1.30am followed by a 2 hour sleep, how drunk would be have been at 3.20am - not very imo.

I getting more confused with the extra details
 
Thanks for the link to the above article. It says the CCTV is time stamped at 1:20am walking past the grapes pub and police have unreleased footage of him emerging from a doorway at 3:24am following a brief sleep.....

Lots more info but contradicts all the other MSM times of the CCTV ...
 
I've been on some nights out where I've driven there and then left my car, got a taxi home then gone back for my car the next day once I know I'm not in danger of being over the limit. I can't say that I've ever contemplated sleeping in my car til sober enough to drive home ... but I've not had a kip in a doorway either ...

I'm very keen to hear what comes from the 3 teenage 'witnesses'
 
mrazda71 said:
I can't say that I've ever contemplated sleeping in my car til sober enough to drive home ...
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It's not a good idea at all as you can still be charged with being drunk in charge of a vehicle even if sleeping in it.
 
suzyjackson said:
I've also read that he was known to walk home after nights out, I'm just thinking about he managed to do it. Whichever route he took would be rural, no pavements and no street lighting and if you add in being drunk it's not easy by any means.
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I don't know how overcast or otherwise it was that night but the moon was in its last quarter so wouldn't have provided much light.
 
I live about 30 mins away from Barton Mills. It's about as dark and rural as it gets after dusk. We had new street lights last year and when I was walking home one evening about I'll it was so dark I fell over a small sign and into my neighbour's garden 😳 anyway - extremely dark and plenty of bodies of water around this way - this is the Fens.

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I'm guessing that the police have a reasonable idea of when whatever happened, happened. They should be able to work this out from the pattern of movement of his phone before he was separated from it, while it was presumably lying static in a bin and then during its journey to Barton Mills. Where it was when it stopped moving, and where it was in the half hour before that seems pretty key to me.

I'm not quite sure how to explain this, but I wonder if the police can get access to general mobile phone data from the various networks and work out what was going on in that area at that time. Unless Corrie got into a taxi and was taken somewhere he didn't expect to go, it's likely that even if he was slightly drunk a fit young serviceman wouldn't be an easy target for a single person so there was probably a small group involved. So could mobile phone records put a small group together in roughly the right place at roughly the right time? Even if they were not responsible for Corrie's disappearance they may be witnesses to something without realising it, eg seeing another group huddled over or round something in an alleyway or one or more people who looked as though they had been in a fight.
 
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