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Yeah, I like your thinking. Just a couple of things to throw in.
1. The 11kgs of waste.
Clearly he's not in that. But is that record right ?
2. Riding the bin lorry (I am one that rode home on a milk-float once ! The driver knew).
The issue here is, they know the route. And they haven't found him.
And the traffic camera didn't see him.
An odd thing is, there's a Biffa depot (if that is the collection company) in Bury St Edmunds (at least it says that "online").
But the lorry....with an amazingly small load, heads to Barton Mills/Mildenhall.
At Mildenhall, there's a Household Waste Recycling Centre. Was that where the bin lorry was going ?
But it doesn't open until 9.00am on a Saturday.
Yeah, I like your thinking. Just a couple of things to throw in.
1. The 11kgs of waste.
Clearly he's not in that. But is that record right ?
2. Riding the bin lorry (I am one that rode home on a milk-float once ! The driver knew).
The issue here is, they know the route. And they haven't found him.
And the traffic camera didn't see him.
An odd thing is, there's a Biffa depot (if that is the collection company) in Bury St Edmunds (at least it says that "online").
But the lorry....with an amazingly small load, heads to Barton Mills/Mildenhall.
At Mildenhall, there's a Household Waste Recycling Centre. Was that where the bin lorry was going ?
But it doesn't open until 9.00am on a Saturday.
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An idea but I'm sure forensics have been over the entire bin truck, inside, outside, on top and underneath.
If they weighed the bin lorry, then there was a reason for weighing it.
As the police seized it on the 3rd of October, it wasn't them that weighed it.
If it was weighed to "pay" or to "charge" for the waste it carried, then that waste was processed. If it was just "11 kgs of waste paper" that was processed, then a mobile phone would have likely been found. Or it could be still found now (even if it's in a bigger bale)
Was the bin lorry carrying 11kgs of waste paper ?
It just seems "a huge faff" to "pay or charge" for that amount !
A bin lorry must weigh in excess of 10 tonnes
And it must cost upwards of £60,000
How much do they charge for collecting 11kgs of rubbish at 4.00am !
Re forensics.... it was nine days later when they seized the bin lorry.
As the police seized it on the 3rd of October, it wasn't them that weighed it.
If it was weighed to "pay" or to "charge" for the waste it carried, then that waste was processed. If it was just "11 kgs of waste paper" that was processed, then a mobile phone would have likely been found. Or it could be still found now (even if it's in a bigger bale)
Was the bin lorry carrying 11kgs of waste paper ?
It just seems "a huge faff" to "pay or charge" for that amount !
A bin lorry must weigh in excess of 10 tonnes
And it must cost upwards of £60,000
How much do they charge for collecting 11kgs of rubbish at 4.00am !
Re forensics.... it was nine days later when they seized the bin lorry.
Yes they are. People at work talk about him a lot. The town centre is full of his missing posters and the local news seem to be keeping his story in the news.
I think I've seen several different kg numbers in the press. The 11kg figure is from this article, and from a quote from Corrie's mother
http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news...e-must-be-involved-in-disappearance-1-7637693
http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news...e-must-be-involved-in-disappearance-1-7637693
Is it possible that the bin outside Gregg's was chipped and the bin lorry is equipped with a chip reader and onboard weighbridge? That way the police would be telling us just the weight of that single bin.
But if the lorry stopped off to pickup from other bins, that makes it more awkward for someone to hang on the back without being seen by the bin guys?
But if the lorry stopped off to pickup from other bins, that makes it more awkward for someone to hang on the back without being seen by the bin guys?
Are bin lorries separated into ones used on recycling routes and those used to pick up other types of rubbish? If it was a dedicated recycling pickup vehicle, then if they accidentally picked up a human being, in with the waste, then there should be forensics still detectable in there....
If Corrie hitched a lift on the back of the lorry, then I guess they would have checked for fingerprints already and not come up with anything clean and usable?
If Corrie hitched a lift on the back of the lorry, then I guess they would have checked for fingerprints already and not come up with anything clean and usable?
Good point.
The bin lorry went from Bury to Barton (in about 28 minutes).
There is "no news" released as to where it went to then or what it did.
No idea if the "chip" these things, to calculate "the charge". Maybe that's where the figure comes from ? Need to research that.
If they don't. You've hit on a cracking idea there. The lorry weighs itself before each pick up and after it's been loaded.
Re forensics. Nine days later, I imagine the lorry was washed.
The bin lorry went from Bury to Barton (in about 28 minutes).
There is "no news" released as to where it went to then or what it did.
No idea if the "chip" these things, to calculate "the charge". Maybe that's where the figure comes from ? Need to research that.
If they don't. You've hit on a cracking idea there. The lorry weighs itself before each pick up and after it's been loaded.
Re forensics. Nine days later, I imagine the lorry was washed.
I'm sure I read that Corrie's mother was 'quoted' in one of the press articles that jumping on the back of a bin lorry for a lift *was* in character for Corrie.
I don't know if the lorries have a rear camera?
I don't know if the lorries have a rear camera?
Ah ! They can weigh bins !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31YTZ8qqdG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31YTZ8qqdG0
Yeah, that's the process I was thinking of, I just didn't know if it had actually been implemented widely yet.
I would still imagine that each lorry should go across a weighbridge as it goes into the recycling centre, and then the chip info can be put through a computer and compared to the final weight of the load on the lorry, and if each tally matches, then nothing extra went into the back of the lorry?
I would still imagine that each lorry should go across a weighbridge as it goes into the recycling centre, and then the chip info can be put through a computer and compared to the final weight of the load on the lorry, and if each tally matches, then nothing extra went into the back of the lorry?
So the bin "could have been" weighed, there and then, at the pick up.
11kgs (or under 15kg) and that means he wasn't in the bin when it was lifted up.
The mobile phone "likely " travelled with the bin lorry (in/on/under/on top) and arrives at Barton Mills/Mildenhall area at 4.30am and remains stationary from till 8.00am.
Presumably the bin lorry was stationary to, until at least after 8.00am ?
He's not been in the rubbish bin.
Jumping on the back of a bin lorry to ride it home seems odd.
It could have been going around town. It wasn't going to his base. So why do that.
If the bin lorry accidentally ran him over and he was somehow "stuck to it", he'd have been found by the driver when he climbed out. Or in the morning by the other driver.
If he'd hitched a ride with the binman, he would have said he had and where they dropped him off. And likely, his phone would have been found by now.
11kgs (or under 15kg) and that means he wasn't in the bin when it was lifted up.
The mobile phone "likely " travelled with the bin lorry (in/on/under/on top) and arrives at Barton Mills/Mildenhall area at 4.30am and remains stationary from till 8.00am.
Presumably the bin lorry was stationary to, until at least after 8.00am ?
He's not been in the rubbish bin.
Jumping on the back of a bin lorry to ride it home seems odd.
It could have been going around town. It wasn't going to his base. So why do that.
If the bin lorry accidentally ran him over and he was somehow "stuck to it", he'd have been found by the driver when he climbed out. Or in the morning by the other driver.
If he'd hitched a ride with the binman, he would have said he had and where they dropped him off. And likely, his phone would have been found by now.
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Not so "way out there" JamesKing - that's where my mind has gone a few times too. I'm also questioning whether the fact that Corrie appears so drunk could be due to something being put in his drink?
Trying to brainstorm !
How did the phone get into the bin, IF the phone was in the bin ?
1 He dropped it in with his take-away rubbish.
The only guy to "go missing" and "lose his phone", in the same evening.
2 He got in the bin and then got out and the phone fell out whilst in the bin.
Same. The only guy to "go missing" and "lose his phone", in the same evening.
3 He got in the bin and someone else got him out and the phone fell out whilst in the bin
Again. The only guy to "go missing" and "lose his phone", in the same evening.
4 Someone threw his phone in the bin.
The phone was taken from him and disposed of where he went missing.
5 The phone wasn't in the bin.
The phone was thrown into the bin lorry as it drove off or was stationary.
By whom ? By Corrie ? By someone else
6 The phone wasn't in the bin and wasn't in the lorry
As the phone hasn't been found, but the movement of the lorry and its content are known.
It is purely a coincidence. Something else carried the phone to Barton Mills.
When I go through those choices, due to the fact he has been missing for so long, points FOUR and FIVE (and even SIX) seem the "best bets".
Is this pointing to an abduction ?
How did the phone get into the bin, IF the phone was in the bin ?
1 He dropped it in with his take-away rubbish.
The only guy to "go missing" and "lose his phone", in the same evening.
2 He got in the bin and then got out and the phone fell out whilst in the bin.
Same. The only guy to "go missing" and "lose his phone", in the same evening.
3 He got in the bin and someone else got him out and the phone fell out whilst in the bin
Again. The only guy to "go missing" and "lose his phone", in the same evening.
4 Someone threw his phone in the bin.
The phone was taken from him and disposed of where he went missing.
5 The phone wasn't in the bin.
The phone was thrown into the bin lorry as it drove off or was stationary.
By whom ? By Corrie ? By someone else
6 The phone wasn't in the bin and wasn't in the lorry
As the phone hasn't been found, but the movement of the lorry and its content are known.
It is purely a coincidence. Something else carried the phone to Barton Mills.
When I go through those choices, due to the fact he has been missing for so long, points FOUR and FIVE (and even SIX) seem the "best bets".
Is this pointing to an abduction ?
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Corrie's mum has posted this in the facebook group an hour ago
"New cctv is going to be released. I believe it will show you exactly the last time corrie was seen. Not sure where it will be shown first x"
"New cctv is going to be released. I believe it will show you exactly the last time corrie was seen. Not sure where it will be shown first x"
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This is Corrie's mum's answer to this question, posted in the facebook group
"When corrie woke up after 2 hours he was able to continue a conversation and respond appropriately. So being drugged is not a concern to me x"
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