UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #10

[Polo]

Do you personally know Corrie? If not i'd suggest asking yourself some questions before you decide to become irritated by a question that doesn't conform to certain ideas.
Was he that drunk? unless you followed someone from bar to bar, nobody knows how much he drank. So i'd like to throw some doubt on the idea he was "too drunk" to do it after a night out.
If the goings on of that night were normal, then was it normal for him to be left behind? normal to committ an offence by sitting in the car drunk?
then normal to go from bar to bar looking for his friends, to which we're not even sure he found?
and then normal to sleep in a doorway, and meander along a dark, empty street in the early hours?
for me this does not exactly portray the image of a happy go lucky, well liked lad..but perhaps my definition of happy and well liked differs massively to others..
I dont know how far back, or what social media you have gone through, but there were many indicators to me personally that suggested unhappiness/seclusion.

On the front of "flawless" - we still dont know how he left the area, the given answer currently is in a vehichle, i wouldnt exactly call it MI5 based skill to arrange a lift from somewhere and get in a car, and go from there.
There was 48 hours before he was reported missing on the monday, if you consider the AWOL route (no matter how much you may not agree), the assumption has been he bolted from the Suffolk area that night, again, i don't know how anyone can say this was the case.

Im all for all and every option, however with no crime scene, DNA, clothes, etc, i find it hard to put together the idea that he was involved in an accident, again on the drug front ~ how many low level drug dealers (and thats what you're talking about being on the street at 3am ,i HIGHLY doubt you're talking of the distro's..) would bother to conceal anything this well? simply punch or a
smack over the head would do..these are disgusting people, you're not talking about someone that'd go through the effort IMO to hide him.

I'm with you 100%

 

[Dcflag]

Do you personally know Corrie? If not i'd suggest asking yourself some questions before you decide to become irritated by a question that doesn't conform to certain ideas.
Was he that drunk? unless you followed someone from bar to bar, nobody knows how much he drank. So i'd like to throw some doubt on the idea he was "too drunk" to do it after a night out.
If the goings on of that night were normal, then was it normal for him to be left behind? normal to committ an offence by sitting in the car drunk?
then normal to go from bar to bar looking for his friends, to which we're not even sure he found?
and then normal to sleep in a doorway, and meander along a dark, empty street in the early hours?
for me this does not exactly portray the image of a happy go lucky, well liked lad..but perhaps my definition of happy and well liked differs massively to others..
I dont know how far back, or what social media you have gone through, but there were many indicators to me personally that suggested unhappiness/seclusion.

On the front of "flawless" - we still dont know how he left the area, the given answer currently is in a vehichle, i wouldnt exactly call it MI5 based skill to arrange a lift from somewhere and get in a car, and go from there.
There was 48 hours before he was reported missing on the monday, if you consider the AWOL route (no matter how much you may not agree), the assumption has been he bolted from the Suffolk area that night, again, i don't know how anyone can say this was the case.

Im all for all and every option, however with no crime scene, DNA, clothes, etc, i find it hard to put together the idea that he was involved in an accident, again on the drug front ~ how many low level drug dealers (and thats what you're talking about being on the street at 3am ,i HIGHLY doubt you're talking of the distro's..) would bother to conceal anything this well? simply punch or a smack over the head would do..these are disgusting people, you're not talking about someone that'd go through the effort IMO to hide him.

I agree with the drug dealers scenario, far too Hollywood and unlikely. I think Nicola confirmed in msm when she went to colleges that he did meet his friends in so bar and travelled to the club with them.

I did pose the question in the last thread about how awol only looks unlikely unless you consider it was supposed to look like there was potential he has been taken. There's no evidence, no cctv, no witnesses. The horseshoe with lack of cctv on short brackland and the illegal Cannon Street exit to avoid detection makes it a great spot to be unnoticed. The ambiguity of the facts we have have encourage 71k people to get involved and 31k to be raised. Unlikely that would have happened if it looked more obvious he was awol

In my opinion of course. For me this is why awol cannot be ruled out regardless of how it looks.

 

[Polo]

I have checked out the bin situation in the horseshoe and there are 3 dry recycling bins, 3 general waste bins (all BIFFA) and 1 council blue bin.
I even looked in all of them and there was a small amount of cardboard in each of the BIFFA recycling bins and a couple of bags of rubbish in one off the general waste bins.

The conclusion I draw from this is that the shops clearly put their rubbish in their own allocated bins, so why was only one bin emptied that morning?
In addition, looking inside the bins made me realise just how small they are inside and for that reason I am fairly certain that Corrie did not get in one of these bins. The may be a restriction on weight allowed but I'm fairly sure that 85kg would be an unusually heavy weight for a bin in that location.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Maya, when we had a poll many of us thought awol and it came second highest and I think now it could even come top. And I cannot even remember what came top but the results may be at the beginning of this thread. If not it would be the beginning of the last one I think. We have had so many closures that we do not want it to happen again and so are tiptoeing around some issues like e.g did he drive in alone, did he meet up with his mates, why didn't his mates leave flex too. We won't get these answers while the police are still investigating whether there has been foul play or not. JMO.

 

[DanceCard]

I have checked out the bin situation in the horseshoe and there are 3 dry recycling bins, 3 general waste bins (all BIFFA) and 1 council blue bin.
I even looked in all of them and there was a small amount of cardboard in each of the BIFFA recycling bins and a couple of bags of rubbish in one off the general waste bins.

The conclusion I draw from this is that the shops clearly put their rubbish in their own allocated bins, so why was only one bin emptied that morning?
In addition, looking inside the bins made me realise just how small they are inside and for that reason I am fairly certain that Corrie did not get in one of these bins. The may be a restriction on weight allowed but I'm fairly sure that 85kg would be an unusually heavy weight for a bin in that location.

BBM.
Thanks for doing this Polo. I note you looked in them, so they're not locked? Was there any type of clip device to make them difficult to open or do the lids just lift up?
I commented a while back that our recycling bin at work isn't locked and so I'd wondered about the ones at the horseshoe.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Good poking around polo. Well done. Do u often go bin diving?

 

[Ironside]

Do you personally know Corrie? If not i'd suggest asking yourself some questions before you decide to become irritated by a question that doesn't conform to certain ideas.

With respect I was actually attempting to answer your question about why awol was an elephant in the room.

 

[Scorpio1]

Good poking around polo. Well done. Do u often go bin diving?

I will we down newmarket way over Christmas and will be looking in to them bins as well and the loading bay in detailed examination, I know bse as I used to live near but never paid much attention to that exact area,

 

[WhereIsJohnnyGosch]

I will we down newmarket way over Christmas and will be looking in to them bins as well and the loading bay in detailed examination, I know bse as I used to live near but never paid much attention to that exact area,

Let's hope you don't have to, hopefully by then he will have free ran back across the rooftops home!


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[Shiressleuth]

Again, we have to question the mechanics of the Parkour sport. Earlier, we were discussing how Corrie could/couldn't get in or out of a bin whilst drunk. It's good to discuss things like this. To disregard even the most unlikely of possible events is to be irresponsible in my mind.
That said, Parkour isn't even on the list for me.


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Me neither but a 23 year old squaddie may think its an exciting hobby.

 

[Lolabear]

Me neither but a 23 year old squaddie may think its an exciting hobbie.

What's parkour???

 

[guruagain]

Re AWOL, I don't believe he evaded CCTV at all, well not on purpose, he evaded it purely by accident IMO, Looking at the CCTV of many of the others around that night and they managed to almost evade the CCTV apart from a some dubious grainy shots.

Still swinging between AWOL or a hook up gone bad.

Polo, do you think those bins are easy to climb in to?

 

[Shiressleuth]

What's parkour???

Originally mentioned by marky in last thread I didn't know either but it appears to be an extreme sport leaping across buildings, rooves, structures etc.

 

[WhereIsJohnnyGosch]

What's parkour???

Otherwise known as free running. Running over or through urban terrain without letting any obstacle stop you. Jumping from roof to roof for example


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[TheTruthWillOut]

I agree with the drug dealers scenario, far too Hollywood and unlikely. I think Nicola confirmed in msm when she went to colleges that he did meet his friends in so bar and travelled to the club with them.

I did pose the question in the last thread about how awol only looks unlikely unless you consider it was supposed to look like there was potential he has been taken. There's no evidence, no cctv, no witnesses. The horseshoe with lack of cctv on short brackland and the illegal Cannon Street exit to avoid detection makes it a great spot to be unnoticed. The ambiguity of the facts we have have encourage 71k people to get involved and 31k to be raised. Unlikely that would have happened if it looked more obvious he was awol

In my opinion of course. For me this is why awol cannot be ruled out regardless of how it looks.

Almost twelve weeks and AFAIK no theory has been officially ruled out. Pretty unbelievable.

To the bold above. It still isn't clear exactly how he was with his mates to me. In the Look East reconstruction the manager of Flex no less said Corrie told him he was drunk but let him in anyway. Then he said Corrie was looking for someone or his mates before being asked to leave. So it didn't sound like Corrie arrived with his mates at all otherwise the manager would have mentioned them and Corrie wouldn't be looking for them.

It came across to me that Corrie wanted to be with the lads but they didn't want him with them.....and followed them bar to bar?

 

[Polo]

BBM.
Thanks for doing this Polo. I note you looked in them, so they're not locked? Was there any type of clip device to make them difficult to open or do the lids just lift up?
I commented a while back that our recycling bin at work isn't locked and so I'd wondered about the ones at the horseshoe.

No they weren't locked. There is a triangular moulded plastic lock, a bit like you get on electricity and gas meter cupboards but none of them were actually locked.

 

[guruagain]

What's parkour???

Free running, jumping and climbing over the urban environment, buildings and rooftops etc.

 

[Lolabear]

Otherwise known as free running. Running over or through urban terrain without letting any obstacle stop you. Jumping from roof to roof for example


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Ohhhh ok!! Thanks!

 

[DanceCard]

Originally mentioned by marky in last thread I didn't know either but it appears to be an extreme sport leaping across buildings, rooves, structures etc.

Similar to the monkeys/macaques jumping from roof to roof in Planet Earth 2 on Sunday night. That's what I keep thinking about anyway!

Lolabear, I didn't know that about the dog either, also thought he had permission. Hmmm.

 

[Polo]

Good poking around polo. Well done. Do u often go bin diving?

Lol, no! It was very disappointing tbh