UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #11

[JamesKing]

I have recapped what I could from the live Q&A in the parking lot if anyone would like to chime in and discuss what was said?

I didn't see it.
Thanks for the recap, but is it available here ? Or is it illegal to post it on here ? <modsnip>

 

[Coldpizza]

I didn't see it.
Thanks for the recap, but is it available here ? Or is it illegal to post it on here ? <modsnip>!

Here's the link and remember to keep the discussion "down there" please.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Corrie-McKeague-Family-Facebook-Live-Q-amp-A

Thanks :smile:

 

[earthspirit]

There is someone out there who may have had the same scenario . Lagered up feeling like they need a quick hookup. They get in the car exactly like Corrie, the person gets heavy handed and before it gets too violent or the person is taken advantage of . They know they have to go along with it. They leave the next day, feeling violated but able to leave. They convince themself that because the gave in to the 'date' its not really an attack. Time goes by the perp does the same scenario but this time Corrie fights back and pays for it. Imo the first person will recognise the attack.

i do believe that more than one person is responsible for what happened to corrie - however i agree that this has likely happened before. not as a serial sex predator but as a bully and ****. you comply - you get to home - your rebel like corrie probably did and the outcome is different

 

[earthspirit]

If the RAF haven't officially reported him as AWOL, then the paperwork won't have been generated to move it to the next phase of civilian 'Missing Person'. All these indicators suggest to me that the RAF have kept it in house and the police have been notified through default by the family (as they would) separately. I've seen no 'firm' suggestion or evidence so far that the RAF think he's AWOL...just drunk and not on duty. To do so would surely suggest a shift in attitudes towards full blown 'Missing' status. That's not what the military want to see in tomorrow's chip papers. It also suggests to me that they know where he is...'sleeping off and not on duty' (AWOL hopefully). Gathering long term evidence will be difficult as his mates ain't going to divulge and his superiors will be seen as prison warders.

The police haven't instigated a full 'Missing Persons enquiry' as they have no proof from the military that he is 'missing' apart from just exceptional concern by the family which are running a separate 'enquiry' led by UT and N. The information releases by the family AND the police seem to be very guarded with no definite mention of AWOL or otherwise. Covering their options so to speak. The lack of definitives by the family suggest to me a plausibility of Corrie's whereabouts?

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There seems to be several enquiries running parallel if you will, aiming for the same favourable target but travelling along a different path. It's like watching Darwin's Evolutionary Theory. I suspect a hell of a lot is kept in house by ALL parties and it wouldn't sunrise me if they let the whole thing naturally fade into oblivion if it IS AWOL. The fund raising pages if you look carefully, mention nothing of AWOL either. So in theory, no laws will be broken if the monies raised are used for purposes other than Corrie's recovery.
Contentious I know....but have a think about it!


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i read this post a few times - first agreeing then thinking no thats not right. obviously there is information we dont know about and cant get to know as its part of a police investigation - however i do think that they have very little evidence of anything. there is no real crime scene or crime suspect - well that is what i believe is true

 

[Mindie304]

The weekend before Halloween ??

Would depend on what they are contracted for. They're paid as a private company to empty certain bins. Doesn't matter if there's a plastic cup in it or if it's filled to the throat, they still have to empty it. Could well be that there isn't too many businesses in that area that pay them to take recycled items.

Take my work for example, we pay for a company to empty a large general waste bin but we don't pay the extra for a cardboard bin - we dispose of this ourselves at the local dump to save a few quid.


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[guruagain]

The weekend before Halloween ??

????? 23rd/24th September.

 

[MissTerious]

Ok so if anyone can help me out logistically for my curiosity, would the time line work out (me not knowing the area too well) if Corrie were to hop in the bin wagon for a lift home towards base and then be 'seen' on hollow road at the time reported?

 

[MidsummersDay]

This is why I think maybe he was running to that area to see if the lorry had been yet or was there. He looked in the bin saw it hadn't been yet so waited. Corrie and his phone maybe travelled together to where the phone pinged.

its just a theory.

I like this theory but....
How do you explain the driver apparently not seeing Corrie though AND the method of travel to where?


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[Mindie304]

How many calls can someone make ?? Before they respond ??

Although referring to Glos. I found this interesting regarding missing people and it does (from other articles) seem consistent with other counties. I wasn't able to find anything specific to Suffolk though.

"People are reported to the police as 'missing' under a wide variety of circumstances and from a wide variety of sources - usually by relatives, friends or carers but often also by concerned colleagues and other professionals.

"We have a duty to locate them and check their welfare. All reports are taken extremely seriously with a full and comprehensive risk assessment done to assess their vulnerability, taking into account factors such as medical history, emotional state, last sightings etc.

"The person is then deemed low, medium or high risk and an appropriate investigation and search strategy is implemented.

"As I say this, we currently have ten missing persons and one absent. Of those ten, one is high risk, eight are medium risk and one is low risk. With this many live investigations at once, it puts a large amount of strain on our policing resourc

"The cost of an investigation will obviously vary hugely depending on the length of time it runs and the level of risk. However, Dr Karen Shalev-Greene from the Institute of Criminal Justice Studies at the University of Portsmouth has calculated the average cost to police of a missing person investigation is £2,415.80.


Read more at http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.u...9557864-detail/story.html#rqB8DHFAt6wHg63j.99

 

[MissTerious]

It's the Occam's razor theme TW seems to favour that makes me want to examine the simple stuff!

 

[MidsummersDay]

I'm confused, I have only ever seen one blue bin in the horseshoe Midsummer?

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[lusijay]

Okay, this is my first post, so I hope its okay. I just found something interesting. I have been looking into the ALLEGED sighting of Corrie -

" Officers were called by a man who told them he had been driving in the area when he spotted a man in light clothing at the back of a sugar beet factory at around 4.20am."

Link here - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/possible-sighting-of-missing-raf-serviceman-corrie-mckeague

I looked on googlemaps, and to walk from the horseshoe (last sighting 3.24am) to the Sugar Beet factory (ALLEGED sighting 4.20am) would be 26 mins. This leaves 30 mins to allow for drunken walking and the event of leaving the horseshoe if we assume for a second that he did manage to leave undetected for some reason.

So I google the sugar beet factor to ensure I got the address correct, and look what I find:

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/unexplod..._bury_st_edmunds_in_sugar_beet_load_1_4777819

Then more searching to see if there have been any other similar incidents, and i find this which took place a few weeks before Corrie went missing.

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/bomb_disposal_unit_called_to_bury_st_edmunds_1_4688637

I just find this very odd. Maybe it's just due to there being a relatively heavy army presence what with a few bases in the area, that these things happen, but it just seemed to ring alarm bells towards terrorist activity, especially considering the attempted abduction at Marham ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-36906031 )

I'll keep digging!

 

[MelmothTheLost]

So I google the sugar beet factor to ensure I got the address correct, and look what I find:

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/unexplod..._bury_st_edmunds_in_sugar_beet_load_1_4777819

Then more searching to see if there have been any other similar incidents, and i find this which took place a few weeks before Corrie went missing.

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/bomb_disposal_unit_called_to_bury_st_edmunds_1_4688637

I just find this very odd. Maybe it's just due to there being a relatively heavy army presence what with a few bases in the area, that these things happen, but it just seemed to ring alarm bells towards terrorist activity, especially considering the attempted abduction at Marham ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-36906031 )

Finding small ordnance like this (mortar rounds, live bullets) is not unusual. Most of it is left over from training in the last war. In fact it's common enough that the UK's metal detecting codes specify how to deal with it, ie that you leave it in situ and notify both the landowner and the police.

http://www.ncmd.co.uk/code of conduct.htm

I'll keep digging!

It might be safer not to .....

 

[Goldilox]

Would depend on what they are contracted for. They're paid as a private company to empty certain bins. Doesn't matter if there's a plastic cup in it or if it's filled to the throat, they still have to empty it. Could well be that there isn't too many businesses in that area that pay them to take recycled items.

Take my work for example, we pay for a company to empty a large general waste bin but we don't pay the extra for a cardboard bin - we dispose of this ourselves at the local dump to save a few quid.


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OT
Pay for a cardboard bin? You should be getting paid by a company for your cardboard, we get paid per tonne for it.

 

[Muriel MayBee]

Finding small ordnance like this (mortar rounds, live bullets) is not unusual. Most of it is left over from training in the last war. In fact it's common enough that the UK's metal detecting codes specify how to deal with it, ie that you leave it in situ and notify both the landowner and the police.

http://www.ncmd.co.uk/code of conduct.htm



It might be safer not to .....

My neighbour found a hand grenade in his garden - we live in ex army accomodation

 

[jslk]

Corrie Mckeague: Missing airman a 'social hand grenade' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-38457221

Nicola putting forward a definite theory as to what she thinks happened IMO

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[JerricaBenton]

Okay, this is my first post, so I hope its okay. I just found something interesting. I have been looking into the ALLEGED sighting of Corrie -

" Officers were called by a man who told them he had been driving in the area when he spotted a man in light clothing at the back of a sugar beet factory at around 4.20am."

Link here - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/possible-sighting-of-missing-raf-serviceman-corrie-mckeague

I looked on googlemaps, and to walk from the horseshoe (last sighting 3.24am) to the Sugar Beet factory (ALLEGED sighting 4.20am) would be 26 mins. This leaves 30 mins to allow for drunken walking and the event of leaving the horseshoe if we assume for a second that he did manage to leave undetected for some reason.

So I google the sugar beet factor to ensure I got the address correct, and look what I find:

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/unexplod..._bury_st_edmunds_in_sugar_beet_load_1_4777819

Then more searching to see if there have been any other similar incidents, and i find this which took place a few weeks before Corrie went missing.

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/bomb_disposal_unit_called_to_bury_st_edmunds_1_4688637

I just find this very odd. Maybe it's just due to there being a relatively heavy army presence what with a few bases in the area, that these things happen, but it just seemed to ring alarm bells towards terrorist activity, especially considering the attempted abduction at Marham ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-36906031 )

I'll keep digging!

This sighting was discounted by the family.

 

[MidsummersDay]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-38457221

I'm gonna suggest a female with small breasts or a male.
More than likely a male as the chest area isn't big enough for a female and neither are the hips. The shoulder tops seem bigger than a females. I'm also tempted to say short hair, thinning or bold as the person appears to have a shiny head. I can't see this being a woman along with this style of haircut, slim hips and a small chest? The left arm looks raised which suggests operating a phone (holding it and texting with the other hand?). The 'look down' head would match that theory. Looks like a light coloured, short sleeve shirt or blouse with darker trousers to me?
JMO

 

[guruagain]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-38457221

I'm gonna suggest a female with small breasts or a male.
More than likely a male as the chest area isn't big enough for a female and neither are the hips. I'm also tempted to say short hair, thinning or bold as the person appears to have a shiny head. I can't see this being a woman along with this style of haircut, slim hips and a small chest? The left arm looks raised which suggests operating a phone (holding it and texting with the other hand?).
JMO

They are carrying something in left hand/arm.

 

[MidsummersDay]

They are carrying something in left hand/arm.

Just to dispel or prove my 'male/female' theory...does it look like a handbag? Female opinions welcome.


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