UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #15

[mrseeker]

Are there after hours places in BSE? Does McDonalds stay open all night, or are there cafes that serve all night?

 

[Silvamini]

Hi folks. What a fascinating investigation this story has provided. I can't sit back and just read anymore!

The Google Streetview of the Horseshoe - has anyone mentioned the bicycle racks that are in very close proximity to the area that Corrie appears to be distracted by in his final CCTV appearance?

Does anyone else find this highly coincidental - seeing as we have someone currently outstanding that also happens to be a cyclist?

From the timeline it appears the cyclist appears later in the morning - but we are only working off the images we have been given access to. Has he avoided certain cameras but re-appeared later? I wonder if this individual appeared on more CCTV closer to Cornhill shopping centre. His actual routeand movements should be of great interest.

Also, earlier in the thread, somebody quite rightly pointed out the specific use of the word "vehicles" by the Uncle - one of which we know to be the dustbin lorry. Is it too far out to assume a bicycle can be described as a vehicle and one of the other outstanding 3 that were identified - but we don't know about? No one (uncle) has revealed what the other 3 actually were. Maybe.

I'm afraid I can't help think that the way Corrie is looking around and wandering over in his last CCTV sighting - was there any bicycles locked up there at the time?? Would be difficult to ascertain from what we have.

The cyclist definitely needs collaring to rule himself out of the investigation. Because to be honest, just what was this guy doing at 3-4-5 o'clock in the morning - on what looks like a specialist bike - with no helmet or what appears to be any cycling gear. Cycled to work maybe? But no reflective clothing. If he did cycle to work - where does he work? This will be high on the investigators priorities - at least I hope it is!!!

Failing that, if the man is completely unconnected - did Corrie spot another means of transport to get home? Again, unlikely - you can't really leave a bike without it being locked up in a town centre.

Has Corrie got into an altercation regarding a bike? Did Corrie walk out of the horseshoe but with head injuries? Possible but unlikely.

Is the man dressed in black - who is referred to as "hiding man" when the second "running man" came past the horseshoe the same man as cycling man? (Also dressed in black
- head to toe)

I feel the man in the picture sitting on the bicycle leaning into the black car in the town centre appearing to speak to the driver needs the attention - especially seeing as I have read the person in the car has been identified, spoke to and "WE" have no information about what the driver said about the cyclist.

The police of course will know what this driver said - if anything at all - but you'd think the driver would have something to say about it.

Not entirely sure how the cyclist hasn't been identified and questioned yet. But he looks out of place and out of the ordinary for a town centre night to me.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

...another thought...
I wonder if Corrie was trying to sort a lift out to BM from an OFF GOING taxi driver? Pick up point being the 'Horseshoe'?. Off duty taxi follows bin lorry. Taxi driver drops Corrie off in BM/M and continues on his merry way home within that area? How many taxi drivers remember the faces of punters?

It's certainly an interesting idea, because it suggests a taxi driver could have taken Corrie to the Fiveways roundabout on the A11 whence he could have picked up a lift to London. Maybe he simply chucked his phone out of the taxi window or pitched it into the cut-off channel, which the taxi would have crossed, or into the forest along the north side of the A1101. Then he's free to go anywhere he can hitch a lift to.

 

[Blueazman74]

Unless he's in an airtight container, I think the smell would have been noticeable a looooooong long time ago. Not expecting this to be productive (MOO)

Cadaver dogs can smell where a dead body has been, not just where it is now.

A body that has been dead for less than 3 hours only needs around 10 minutes of contact time to then be identified over 65 days later according to research.

http://dogsdontlie.com/main/2008/12/cadaver-dogs-how-reliable-are-they-at-detecting-death/



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[bbyblueeyez]

Hi folks. What a fascinating investigation this story has provided. I can't sit back and just read anymore!

The Google Streetview of the Horseshoe - has anyone mentioned the bicycle racks that are in very close proximity to the area that Corrie appears to be distracted by in his final CCTV appearance?

Does anyone else find this highly coincidental - seeing as we have someone currently outstanding that also happens to be a cyclist?

From the timeline it appears the cyclist appears later in the morning - but we are only working off the images we have been given access to. Has he avoided certain cameras but re-appeared later? I wonder if this individual appeared on more CCTV closer to Cornhill shopping centre. His actual routeand movements should be of great interest.

Also, earlier in the thread, somebody quite rightly pointed out the specific use of the word "vehicles" by the Uncle - one of which we know to be the dustbin lorry. Is it too far out to assume a bicycle can be described as a vehicle and one of the other outstanding 3 that were identified - but we don't know about? No one (uncle) has revealed what the other 3 actually were. Maybe.

I'm afraid I can't help think that the way Corrie is looking around and wandering over in his last CCTV sighting - was there any bicycles locked up there at the time?? Would be difficult to ascertain from what we have.

The cyclist definitely needs collaring to rule himself out of the investigation. Because to be honest, just what was this guy doing at 3-4-5 o'clock in the morning - on what looks like a specialist bike - with no helmet or what appears to be any cycling gear. Cycled to work maybe? But no reflective clothing. If he did cycle to work - where does he work? This will be high on the investigators priorities - at least I hope it is!!!

Failing that, if the man is completely unconnected - did Corrie spot another means of transport to get home? Again, unlikely - you can't really leave a bike without it being locked up in a town centre.

Has Corrie got into an altercation regarding a bike? Did Corrie walk out of the horseshoe but with head injuries? Possible but unlikely.

Is the man dressed in black - who is referred to as "hiding man" when the second "running man" came past the horseshoe the same man as cycling man? (Also dressed in black
- head to toe)

I feel the man in the picture sitting on the bicycle leaning into the black car in the town centre appearing to speak to the driver needs the attention - especially seeing as I have read the person in the car has been identified, spoke to and "WE" have no information about what the driver said about the cyclist.

The police of course will know what this driver said - if anything at all - but you'd think the driver would have something to say about it.

Not entirely sure how the cyclist hasn't been identified and questioned yet. But he looks out of place and out of the ordinary for a town centre night to me.

WOW and breathe lol (just kidding) we have had talks about the bicycle racks in earlier threads saying that reading what you have put made me think did Corrie take his bike and was spotted someone pointed this out and they went after Corrie in a Car to get the bike back the blokes attacks C and hurts him a bit to much OMG you got me at it now lol. Hello and welcome by the way

 

[Rosegold68]

the cadaver dogs are trained to pick up a scent....not the one we smell from a decomposing body.

my thoughts on this are either he's right in front of us.....simply fallen down a ditch/in a river/field and is deceased. yet to be found sadly

or

expertly abducted between cameras by stealth by unknown abductors with excellent timing

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I still don't understand why he sat in Hughes doorway when, almost directly opposite, outside Greggs is a nice comfy bench.

Because Hughes doorway was recessed and provided shelter from any wind that night. The bench would have been much more exposed.

 

[db09striker]

I just don't get this obsession with him meeting up with someone. First it was the sexuality assumptions taking us to Grindr and now its liaisons at the garbage bins. Come on folks. No proof of that at all. He had used dating apps but that does not mean he is looking for sex 24/7. If he was going to meet up why waste so much time drinking in clubs and passing out on the sidewalk? He could have set up dates at 8 pm and so on. You do not pass out on a side walk after a bender, wake up and stumble down the street thinking, wow i need to hook up for sex...it is clear he headed for the bins for a leak. where he was going after that is a guess. If you want to meet up you give a better landmark, like I am standing in front of McDonalds or something. I hardly think a man who has drunk as much as he has, is in any mood now to have a quickie. That would have been more likely before he passed out.

Yes he could have set up dates earlier on in the night, or before he went out. He could have also set up dates after he was kicked out the club, whilst sitting in the doorway. How much time was he just hanging around town for after he got kicked out - I assume it was 2-3 hours. He must have been communicating with some people via his phone during that time.

I think meeting up with someone makes the most sense based on the 'facts' we have been given about the bin lorry, about CCTV, no witnesses, no DNA evidence. Which implies he left in a vehicle. And I believe it was most likely that he left in that vehicle willingly......though.......

I do agree with you that it doesn't seem the best place to be picked up from and I agree he went there to have a piss, so........

I'm trying to imagine a forced kidnapping into a vehicle and I struggle with it, unless it was maybe a random attack. If it was premeditated - the attackers did well at stalking him and knowing where he was going to go. If it was something like this - I'd assume there was a look-out watching Corrie's movements and then a person or person's in a vehicle which drove to the horseshoe when given information by the lookout, they then bundled him into a car. Though it's surprising no-one heard or saw a commotion. Though it seems there were still a fair few people walking around the town, maybe he could have been taken at a time nobody else was around. Could the lookout have been the running man?

Would also explain why nobody saw Corrie in the area....so he disappeared quite quickly after going there.

 

[eagle eyes]

If the photo of man in white t shirt is in mama mia's he is an interesting lead. Do we know if anyone entered the HS before Corrie? Do we know if anyone entered the HS after Corrie?

 

[eagle eyes]

can someone link me to the cctv picture of ' running man'? I haven't seen this one and can't find it. Thanks!

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Are there after hours places in BSE?

The last places, a couple of takeaways, close around 3am.

Does McDonalds stay open all night, or are there cafes that serve all night?

No. McDonalds hours are 0500 - 2300.

There are no all-night cafes or similar that I have been able to find.

 

[bbyblueeyez]

How do we know that someone has been after Corrie awhile for one reason or another but hes a very popular guy and never alone it was by chance that everything went wrong for Corrie including what happened to him. Does anyone think we will find out ?? or is this going to be another Luke Durbin case

 

[Shiressleuth]

If the photo of man in white t shirt is in mama mia's he is an interesting lead. Do we know if anyone entered the HS before Corrie? Do we know if anyone entered the HS after Corrie?

Could someone put the latest pic next to the 0321 cornhill pic for comparison? Also why no other street cam views of this guy? Did he also vanish from cctv view?

 

[bbyblueeyez]

This running man is this the man that I found the explanation of why he was running quite strange it was said he was running to catch up with his friends but those 3 friends said they didn't even know him I remember that in an interview does anyone else remember it ??

 

[eagle eyes]

Another thought (can't help it they keep coming sorry..). Is it possible man in black on bike was asking directions to the horseshoe/ mama mias/ hughes shop. weird train of thought, but could he be looking for C ( for whatever reason)? I'm sure the police know what he was asking but it would be good to know more... It appears that C jogs then slows down in the last cctv of him. Could this be to catch up with someone on a bicycle?

 

[Rosegold68]

between great barton and fornham on google theres 2 lagoon/ponds....wonder what they are? they are quite close yet still remote

 

[MidsummersDay]

He was drunk is the only logical answer.

Because from a defensive point of view, Hughes doorway offers nearly 270' protection. He has an infantry mentality remember. Sitting on a park bench by the side of Greggs makes it harder to cognitively deal with from that point of view.


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[mrseeker]

Yes he could have set up dates earlier on in the night, or before he went out. He could have also set up dates after he was kicked out the club, whilst sitting in the doorway. How much time was he just hanging around town for after he got kicked out - I assume it was 2-3 hours. He must have been communicating with some people via his phone during that time.

I think meeting up with someone makes the most sense based on the 'facts' we have been given about the bin lorry, about CCTV, no witnesses, no DNA evidence. Which implies he left in a vehicle. And I believe it was most likely that he left in that vehicle willingly......though.......

I do agree with you that it doesn't seem the best place to be picked up from and I agree he went there to have a piss, so........

I'm trying to imagine a forced kidnapping into a vehicle and I struggle with it, unless it was maybe a random attack. If it was premeditated - the attackers did well at stalking him and knowing where he was going to go. If it was something like this - I'd assume there was a look-out watching Corrie's movements and then a person or person's in a vehicle which drove to the horseshoe when given information by the lookout, they then bundled him into a car. Though it's surprising no-one heard or saw a commotion. Though it seems there were still a fair few people walking around the town, maybe he could have been taken at a time nobody else was around. Could the lookout have been the running man?

Would also explain why nobody saw Corrie in the area....so he disappeared quite quickly after going there.

He is not behaving like he had arranged a date or was arranging a date. He was a stumbling drunk. Why would anyone assume it was about a meetup. He could have just as easily texted a friend for a ride. Where does the need to interject the need for sex come in? Perhaps a car picked him up, but police say they know the vehicles that came and went. Wonder if the cops inspected the HS for vomit.

 

[Silvamini]

WOW and breathe lol (just kidding) we have had talks about the bicycle racks in earlier threads saying that reading what you have put made me think did Corrie take his bike and was spotted someone pointed this out and they went after Corrie in a Car to get the bike back the blokes attacks C and hurts him a bit to much OMG you got me at it now lol. Hello and welcome by the way

Thanks for the welcome.

Corrie definitely came into the town centre by car - but that doesn't mean he didn't have a bike locked up permanently as a back up to get home to base from his regular jaunts. Too far maybe? But all it would need is a key on his keys.

Might explain the food and sleep - sobering up.

Either way he is there in the horseshoe for a reason unknown isn't he? He is definitely interested in either a parked car, the bins, the bike racks, the black door or people/persons in the horseshoe or of course something else completely. Whizzing away on a bike he could have been avoided by the CCTV and probably "should" have been caught on the Short Brackland car park CCTV - although not a lot of information or images from this camera?

Could he ping the mast on a bicycle
In the ones given - Rather than walking? and has bicycle town centre man just got nothing to do with it?

Then that opens up potentially being hit by a car. But where's the bike?

Potentially still too inebriated to cycle.

Way, way too many unanswered questions - the police will have it tough unless they have a good hand of cards close to their chests already.

 

[I wonder]

I feel that so much of what has been said (by the police, media, family etc) is confusing and often contradictory so I've decided on (yet) another approach. It seems to me that Nicola and Tony have the most knowledge of what has potentially happened and what is happening. They're willing to share (some of) their thoughts too. This is what they seem most concerned about according to the Find Corrie page, a variety of media and a recent Sun article.

The bin lorry

The four vehicles particularly the one without a legitimate reason for being there - whatever that means

The 4 x 4 car with three men standing alongside, one with a rag in his hand. The witness was a female ex Met police officer and she contacted the belief. Nicola believes the men were attempting to set fire to the car. The police has apparently traced the car and occupants and questioned them but Nicola remains suspicious

They believe the area in the vicinity of the horseshoe needs to be thoroughly checked - I believe the police are now carrying out a search but have no idea what that entails and whether it covers all the areas of concern

The Marham 'attempted abduction' has also caused concern

The fact that Nicola was told that the rehab clinic was empty on the evening of Corrie's disappearance was not backed up by her own experience of being in the vicinity when two people turned up and said they weren't supposed to be there, but clearly were.

I understand that Nicola believes Corrie came to harm in the vicinity of the bins and his body was stashed for collection later.

I struggle to understand several things with this train of thought, with one of my biggest questions being why stash his body? A dead body in a public place is generally found. If he was placed in a bin temporarily, they either got lucky or knew the bin emptying cycle. Putting a just killed body in a bin is one thing, removing one once rigor has set in is entirely different. Does this explain the emphasis on the buildings? Who could access a nearby building at 3.30 - 4.00 am ish, stash a body and then remove it later? Presumably the removal came after the 4pm cut off point for CCTV? If so how did they know it was 'safe' to be in the vicinity etc at that time because CCTV wouldn't be available to the police? Are these people connected to why there is no CCTV after 4.00 pm on Saturday?

So, a new approach and the same headache...