UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #18

[Deleted member 178385]

There is somewhere. Whether it was Nicola in an interview or SP, but there was, definately, after they announced the landfill search.

This is the only quote I remember:

"The area of the landfill site where waste collected from Bury St Edmunds that morning was deposited has not had further items put onto it since police alerted the site, early in the investigation, to the possibility that this may need to be searched."

(BBM)

I don't remember anything as specific as 1-2 weeks. This quote is from the 10 February update on Suffolk Police.

 

[LiLew]

this fib could be to cover up for fuel theft, i.e. the lorry is supposed to do this route costing £x, when in fact it short cuts direct to landfill and saves x and then pocket the difference, a simple but clever scam to make a few pounds a journey , times 10 journeys a day times across x number of trucks , times x days of the year...., worth covering up for I should think...

IMO this is unlikely, it would come under a different charge, if Biffa wanted to prosecute. It wouldn't be a attempting to pervert the course of justice in relation to the Corrie Investigation.


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[LiLew]

I could see that happening but wouldn't tacographs prevent that?

If used... I believe Bin lorries are exempt from Tacho rules. They would still have a paper log to complete each day with their hours


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[AG88]

So say he was in the bin lorry what are they covering up? Did the bin man just decide to chuck him in there? Did they fight? are they trying to cover up cutting corners? I'd rather get sacked for taking a bin lorry where I shouldn't than go to prison for withholding information about a mans disappearance

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Is there a link confirming 1-2 weeks in that landfill was put on hold. I can't recall that specific info. 8,000 tons is a lot to have to remove for just one weeks worth.

In the below video Nicola says it could have been searched in the 4th week so I think the Police put the hold on the site before that so ~3 weeks or earlier?

I think what hasn't helped is the assumption the Landfill was in Barton Mills rather than Milton.

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2017-02-20/rubbish-tip-search-delay-concerns-corrie-mckeagues-mum/

 

[DaveShu]

IMO this is unlikely, it would come under a different charge, if Biffa wanted to prosecute. It wouldn't be a attempting to pervert the course of justice in relation to the Corrie Investigation.


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I think the implication is that fraud A was being perpetrated and was "under the radar", so when the Police came around sniffing at crime B, what they were presented with was aimed at covering fraud A, which had a knock on effect into the investigation of crime B.

This then becomes a case of perverting the course of justice with respect to crime B.

 

[mrseeker]

The more we learn the less we know. Ok so this 26 year old is the dispatcher of sorts. He would tell the police, I suppose, this is the vehicle assigned to this route, this the driver on the night in question. So police go speak to the driver and he says what? Yes that was me, or no I did not drive that night...I don't get it. Say this dispatcher got it wrong, does everyone else just sit on their hands? I would have gotten the driver to re-enact his evening from 3 am until he arrived at the depot in BM. Then have the depot demonstrate what happens to bin garbage. IF I was a driver for Biffa in BSE I would think that night would be engrained in my mind. I would remember which truck i drove and which route I had driven. If i for one minute thought I might have hauled a body I would be doing everything I could to discover the truth. What did the police do when they went to speak with Biffa and their drivers? I just don't get it.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

If used... I believe Bin lorries are exempt from Tacho rules. They would still have a paper log to complete each day with their hours


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Just had a quick Google and it seems that domestic council collections can be exempt from using a tachograph but if commercial/business (as in this case) they do.

We also know SP had a specialist in to go over tachograph records which indicates the lorry in question did use one?

 

[LiLew]

Just had a quick Google and it seems that domestic council collections can be exempt from using a tachograph but if commercial/business (as in this case) they do.

We also know SP had a specialist in to go over tachograph records which indicates the lorry in question did use one?

If that's correct, and they are used correctly there should be no confusion over drivers? They cannot be fooled as easily as the paper ones, but data can be 'altered' ....


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[Northern Light]

BIffa Traffic Dispatcher job ad, he would be accountable for quite a lot to do with the day to day running / routes / staff / end location etc:

https://www.indeed.co.uk/m/viewjob?jk=be73aeac00d4e0cb&from=serp

Day to day management of operational staff
Managing route efficiency and utilising optimum disposal outlets within the area
Manage driver availability and coverage
In addition accurate input of disposal information
Proactive vehicle management, including liaison with fleet, safe vehicle operations, wheel security, monitor vehicle gross weights.
Ensure all administrative tasks...... including time sheets, tachograph records, payroll records, holiday rotas, resolution of QLS.
Consider the most efficient disposal option for each route and understands the impact of incorrect or late disposal tickets.

Would there also be a Traffic Dispatcher on night shift? Carrying forward for ref. Thanks Cagney for this.

 

[Northern Light]

Apologies in advance for the long post. Do we know the age of the bin lorry? The reason I ask is that if it was older than 2006 it would have had an analogue tachograph (the round card chart that is filled out manually by the driver writing on it) but if the lorry was 2006 or newer, it would have had a digital tachograph. This involves the driver having his own personal digi-card (like a credit card) which is inserted into the device. I remember there was some confusion as to who was driving that night. There have been instances where a driver has used someone else's digi-card, completely illegal. If the person that brought in the other day has misled the Police about something, it could be any number of different things such as who was driving, phone, the weight of the bin (11kgs), lorry did not go where it was supposed to go (remember they said bones could not be burned at the temperature - perhaps the lorry did not even go there), timing, procedures and company policy (maybe they have not been doing things 'by the book'. I don't think he was in the cab, surely if the Police thought that he was then it would have been the driver they would have been re-interviewing and not the dispatcher. I still think he was in the back of the lorry. I know people have said that Corrie had just wakened up and wouldn't have needed more sleep but everything he did that night seemed to be quite random. He could have been coldish, delirious and thought he would nap in a clean dry bin to kill a few hours. I don't think hopping in a bin would be beneath him, he had just slept in a doorway so the white jeans were probably already much dirtier. If he was accidentally tipped into the bin, the driver might or might not have known at that point. It was stated that if he had gone in, he would have been found as bones do not burn at the temperature they work at but what if the lorry didn't actually go where they claimed it went after BSE. Could the driver, the company and the traffic dispatcher been taking short cuts for years or was this a massive cover up after a tragic accident and panic. I think he was in the lorry.

Went back to search for this post, after my comments today, and queries raised about the tachograph. Good post Coach.

 

[Shiressleuth]

"The waste lorry made a collection shortly after and its route appeared to coincide with the movements of Corrie’s phone — but forensics found no trace of him in the vehicle."
Does this suggest the lorry did not in fact take this route and Corries phone could not therefore have been in the bin lorry ?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29979...g-suspect-haydn-stephens-biffa-part-time-cop/

It has been taken to indicate that the phone may have been in the lorry but C was not. However, if the bin lorry went elsewhere rather than to recycling in Mildenhall then this would shed doubt on the phone movements too, as you point out.

 

[Hexenb]

So have we got a case of bin man who has done something wrong or arranging a bin lorry to move something at a different time and why would a young man take this sort of risk to cover a serious crime I'm trying to think of a scenario as to what has happened and how does just a lift in a lorry turn into something more sinister?:thinking:

 

[Shiressleuth]

Nor would you think they could search a loft 5 times and miss the body of Tia Sharpe who was there all along - but they still did

I dont know those details fully but wasn't it that dogs didn't detect anything? I'm not saying police are 100% and presumably they did find her in the end. But with vehicles they deal with that stuff daily - its basic stuff. If they get basics wrong then SP are really in trouble.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I dont know those details fully but wasn't it that dogs didn't detect anything? I'm not saying police are 100% and presumably they did find her in the end. But with vehicles they deal with that stuff daily - its basic stuff. If they get basics wrong then SP are really in trouble.

IIRC the dogs did indicate but the officers then failed to find her when they searched? I will have to check again.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I suspect they checked the number plates and since they didn't think there would be multiple people involved in the cover up they didn't check vin numbers / chassi numbers - or the CCTV didn't catch the number plate - haveyou seen some of the mugshots of people - no definition of even a face at close quarters, never mind tiny numbers on a plate at a distance

But Dave, cctv is 100% effective and they have held back the good cctv. I do remember a silver car which they couldn't read the number plate parked outside Hughes while it could see C drop a chip though.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I have thought from the start that he was in the bin lorry and I was never convinced about the weight 11kgs. I think this is a massive cover up..

But surely the Driver would have been arrested if it was a cover-up involving that lorry? They went out of there way to say it was NOT the Driver. I can't help thinking the timing of the reward being removed was connected. Perhaps the Biffa Driver gave 'wrong' info in the hope of getting the reward somehow?

 

[supersleuth1974]

I think the implication is that fraud A was being perpetrated and was "under the radar", so when the Police came around sniffing at crime B, what they were presented with was aimed at covering fraud A, which had a knock on effect into the investigation of crime B.

This then becomes a case of perverting the course of justice with respect to crime B.

On point , someone covers fraud a and gets charged because of crime b, either way he's a naughty boy.

 

[Shiressleuth]

@Dave.
Your post about the employee is interesting. I am finding it strange enough with police amongst family members and now ex police (albeit ex SPC) at the waste company as well. And still we can't find C.

 

[mrseeker]

So have we got a case of bin man who has done something wrong or arranging a bin lorry to move something at a different time and why would a young man take this sort of risk to cover a serious crime I'm trying to think of a scenario as to what has happened and how does just a lift in a lorry turn into something more sinister?:thinking:

I don't think he did anything that night knowingly. I think it's either he covered up his own incompetence, misleading police, or he covered up ongoing malfeasance of the company. He was either sloppy or complicit in misleading police about how biffa operates, and how waste is handled. My theory is this info lead police to dismiss C in the landfill idea, when they should have been looking there all along. I assume from the criminal charge, they think whatever he did, he did intentionally. If he actually knew C was in a truck headed for the landfill, I would think he would be charged with a list of charges, and probably held without bail. I also think, several employees would have to know this, if the dispatcher knew it. So I do not think he knew C was in a bin.