UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #20

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I believe that is correct. It does show from early on SP believed his phone traveled toward Red Lodge and presumably had confirmation the bin lorry went to there or onto the landfill in that same direction. So with all this other evidence why did they pin everything on one single piece of information (the bin weight)?

Also I said before there is another phone mast under 2 miles down the A11 just outside Red Lodge so the phone could or should have been pinging off that too?
They were also getting unconfirmed sightings too combined with the 11kg bin contents and the supposed sorting procedure so it was thought more likely he was in a ditch somewhere even possibly taken and dumped somewhere (hence the Kings Forest search).
 
I believe that is correct. It does show from early on SP believed his phone traveled toward Red Lodge and presumably had confirmation the bin lorry went to there or onto the landfill in that same direction. So with all this other evidence why did they pin everything on one single piece of information (the bin weight)?

Also I said before there is another phone mast under 2 miles down the A11 just outside Red Lodge so the phone could or should have been pinging off that too?
With going back 7 months as QA states, SP found the same weight registered each time, give or take, approx, so I wonder how they found out just before they were about to search, that it was wrong. I wonder if they found out the weight was wrong first and then announced the search. MOO. It would have been difficult for them to justify the sheer scale of the search earlier, with forensics clear, weight normal, given the cost of the search and risks involved. Superiors wouldn't agree I doubt. But they didn't rule it out as it was set aside, so after tracking all the witnesses, or nearly all, cars, searches, what were they left with, the landfill. Also the pressure from social media, letters to MPs, petition, etc. I just wonder how they got the info of the bin weight. Perplexing case and as you said, who knows, what twists may come yet.
 
With going back 7 months as QA states, SP found the same weight registered each time, give or take, approx, so I wonder how they found out just before they were about to search, that it was wrong. I wonder if they found out the weight was wrong first and then announced the search. MOO. It would have been difficult for them to justify the search earlier, with forensics clear, weight normal, given the cost of the search and risks involved. Superiors wouldn't agree I doubt. But they didn't rule it out as it was set aside, so after tracking all the witnesses, or nearly all, cars, searches, what were they left with, the landfill. Also the pressure from social media, letters to MPs, petition, etc. I just wonder how they got the info of the bin weight. Perplexing case and as you said, who knows, what twists may come yet.
We can only hope the new weight is not also found to be wrong, especially as you say, we don't know exactly how it came to be. As there appears few other leads now (just 2 vehicles still under investigation and 2 untraced pedestrians) and most routes have been searched, you are correct that it strangely came at the right time. Only time will tell now.
 
My source is QA Nicola December 2016, transcript Websleuths.

'There was apparently nobody staying that weekend that Corrie went missing, however i was standing outside on another week when two men walked out and I asked them and they said “Don't say anything as we’re not supposed to be here”. So the police have been told nobody was there, but I know people stay when they’re not supposed to. But there is only so much the police can do if people aren't being honest with them.' End quote.

As with a lot of the media, I can't find the link to what I read but it was phrased quite differently. Hence my reference to the rough sleepers and the area in the HS where they came from.
 
We can only hope the new weight is not also found to be wrong, especially as you say, we don't know exactly how it came to be. As there appears few other leads now (just 2 vehicles still under investigation and 2 untraced pedestrians) and most routes have been searched, you are correct that it strangely came at the right time. Only time will tell now.

Probably because things have constantly been narrowed down as other possible leads were discounted. So they have gone back yet again to the weight records. As someone once said ;) "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".

It's been said before that the weight wasn't a crucial piece of info as far as Biffa's operation is concerned as the invoicing for this particular bin was done per collection and not by weight. How this affects the way the data is expressed and recorded we don't know, but clearly there has been some confusion.

The other thing we don't actually know is the exact procedure followed by the bin lorry at the WTS with regard to its contents. Something may have come to light in connection with that too.
 
That's strange that because I distinctly remember them searching and closing a major trunk road near Barton Mills and putting up a police incident room (pod) based on the mobile phone. They then pulled the pod back to BSE based on family requests IIRC.
Well a mobile phone is not going to walk into a incident room at BM and say 'I'm lost'
 
"There could simply be a request to meet at this time etc and we need this to get more hope this is a mistake that’s been made, but it’s private land so we won’t ever be able to search with out permission, we haven’t stopped trying to get this to happen though"


Mobile - exactly, N knows that was the best lead because she is a officer herself. POLICE can search anywhere private or otherwise, even if it takes a warrant whilst officer/s stand guard in situ watching until warrant granted at local court if needed. FAILURES.


Thanks Northern Light for that refresh on the other page :)
 
"There could simply be a request to meet at this time etc and we need this to get more hope this is a mistake that’s been made, but it’s private land so we won’t ever be able to search with out permission, we haven’t stopped trying to get this to happen though"


Mobile - exactly, N knows that was the best lead because she is a officer herself. POLICE can search anywhere private or otherwise, even if it takes a warrant whilst officer/s stand guard in situ watching until warrant granted at local court if needed. FAILURES.


Thanks Northern Light for that refresh on the other page :)
IMO LE have done a decent job, they concentrated on finding c alive , they followed up the fact that he could have walked back and the possibility that he was taken remember the family were so sure that he had been taken in the early days, LE never said any thing about c being taken, as for the phone the police did track it to bm area not to any particular rubbish area, IMO the phone is of very little importance , Thay would already have got acces to most of the data on it so would be of very little use even if found,
 
IMO LE have done a decent job, they concentrated on finding c alive , they followed up the fact that ha could have walked back and the possibility that he was taken remember the family were so sure that he had been taken in the early days, LE never said any thing about c being taken, as for the phone the police did track it to bm area not to any particular rubbish area, IMO the phone is of little importance as they would have been able to have got most of the info from the phone long ago, IMOIMO
Incorrect, SP would have got limited network info, so would N though from the network as to her being the account holder, the phone holds information no one knows, it IS and remains a imperative part of the clues it may hold, data & app data.

I do wonder if data is backed up on C app settings on the mobile phone, knowing the email/password C logs into with the phone on a new Nokia same model Lumia (changes can happen to apps on different Windows Phone OS versions/models) could allow access to info held in the cloud by apps and app login/passwords etc. When you login on a WP Nokia Lumia you can go to the Microsoft store on a PC and see all the previous downloaded apps on all previous Windows Phone devices from that login, if the login data for apps has been stored on the mobile it can be synced to the Microsoft Account login.

Same as buying a new iPhone, logging in and everything comes down from Apple, Microsoft Windows Phone is just a little clunkier at this than Apple iOS. Just as I mentioned before, that clunkiness means a WP device will show in a previous Microsoft Account with no up to date data even when a new Microsoft Account/email login combo is used.
 
IMO LE have done a decent job, they concentrated on finding c alive , they followed up the fact that he could have walked back and the possibility that he was taken remember the family were so sure that he had been taken in the early days, LE never said any thing about c being taken, as for the phone the police did track it to bm area not to any particular rubbish area, IMO the phone is of very little importance , Thay would already have got acces to most of the data on it so would be of very little use even if found,

I agree completely, their priorities seem to have been spot on. Don't think anyone would have been impressed if they'd spent time combing rubbish tips for a tiny phone while he'd been lying unconscious in a ditch miles away. Some people just seem to have an axe to grind with the police, I can only imagine why.
 
I agree completely, their priorities seem to have been spot on. Don't think anyone would have been impressed if they'd spent time combing rubbish tips for a tiny phone while he'd been lying unconscious in a ditch miles away. Some people just seem to have an axe to grind with the police, I can only imagine why.

exactly, the landfill can wait as if you still have leads that he could be alive they must come first, a body in the landfill can wait it's not exactly going any ware, IMOIMO
 
Indeed, however you want to recover the body as soon as possible for forensic analysis.
 
I agree completely, their priorities seem to have been spot on. Don't think anyone would have been impressed if they'd spent time combing rubbish tips for a tiny phone while he'd been lying unconscious in a ditch miles away. Some people just seem to have an axe to grind with the police, I can only imagine why.

Axe, lol, frankly a line of rope seems more appropriate. I respect professionalism in public service, I expect it. Simple.
 
Do you mean the D notice that MM aked the police about and they told him there hadn't been one?

No link but google is your friend

It's true that the brother said that in a press conference but I don't think we can be sure either way of whether it was accurate.

We're obviousy not going to agree on this and we're very unlikely to know whether C ever tried to walk home so shall we agree to differ?

Hi,
It was stated in a Q&A if I remember correctly, that the reason they initially said Corrie sometimes walked home or part way home ( well to base) was because the guards on the gate had seen him walk through the gates and not be dropped off, so they assumed he had walked back. This was information given in the first few weeks and only after further investigation did they realise that this wasn't confirmed that he had walked back to base and only an assumption.
 
Hi,
It was stated in a Q&A if I remember correctly, that the reason they initially said Corrie sometimes walked home or part way home ( well to base) was because the guards on the gate had seen him walk through the gates and not be dropped off, so they assumed he had walked back. This was information given in the first few weeks and only after further investigation did they realise that this wasn't confirmed that he had walked back to base and only an assumption.

So the suggestion is that he might have had a lift at least part of the way? I can't see that it makes any difference.
His mother has said that he would accept a lift with a stranger, so it sounds like "walking home" was more a matter of setting out on foot and hoping to thumb a lift.
 
http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2017...dad-visits-landfill-site-as-search-continues/
500 tonnes searched so far out of 8000 tonnes, that's a heck of a lot of rubbish ,


From the link you posted Scorpio, thanks for that. . Thought it worth c/p ing here.

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2017...dad-visits-landfill-site-as-search-continues/


The father of missing RAF serviceman Corrie McKeague has made a second emotional visit to a landfill site in Cambridgeshire, as the search for his son continues.

Martin McKeague and his wife Trisha travelled to the site in Milton near Cambridge, where specialist officers are combing through 8,000 of tonnes of waste.

Yesterday, Martin McKeague posted a message on his Facebook page and said it had been an emotional day.
I'm humbled by their efforts, and the words to describe how indebted we are to these people escape me. It was a very emotional day for us and it's not getting any easier.

I can't believe the incredible progress this team has made from last week to this week.

– MARTIN MCKEAGUE, CORRIE'S FATHER

He was last seen going into a loading bay, known as the "Horseshoe", which contains waste bins.

Suffolk Police said a bin lorry where the 23-year-old's phone was last tracked, weighed more than originally thought.

Mr McKeague also praised the work of Suffolk police following his visit to the site.

He said: "The way in which the Suffolk police have conducted this investigation, and the order in which they prioritised their searches, has and continues to be logical and professional."

"Thanks again for standing by us and helping bring Corrie home together."

The five-figure reward posted by the McKeague family in Scotland in December will remain until the Corrie is found.
 
Isn't a lot of it soil that they spread over it though?
I'm not sure as I thought that they had to move 6000 tonnes of something before they started the search, I presumed that was the top soil,
 
I'm not sure as I thought that they had to move 6000 tonnes of something before they started the search, I presumed that was the top soil,
Yes I think they moved the topsoil already as part of the preparation work. Hope the 250 per week rate doesn't mean another 15 weeks of searching. If he is there, let's hope they find him soon. Good to see the family support for SP and their methods.
 
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