UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #4

[Dcflag]

Did I read on here or elsewhere his phone was able to have the sim card swopped for a different one?
I think the term used was a dual sim, does that mean it can take two completely different sim cards ie. take a sim card out and use a different one in the same handset.
Sorry I have no idea about phones, I last had one about 10 years ago :/

Yes a duel sim. Tony has confirmed he only used one SIM card

 

[Dcflag]

you know....i realise that as military guys they'd (likely) not be able to comment but... I would've thought there would be comments somewhere from friends or colleagues incognito.

if not on FB (to be respectful to family) WS might be a place to fill in some gaps...

Quite possibly, it's not outside the realms of possibilty. Besides, if they were the whole point of incognito is you wouldn't know 😉

 

[Dcflag]

Amonet, that's a great reference point to have from her case. I guess only time will tell if then manage to come with something.

 

[jessie]

I know this quote is from ten pages back in the thread, and I haven't read through the rest of the thread yet, but I wanted to reply to this one.

Scotland Yard seemed to be mentioned in connection to the CCTV footage, and it again made me think of Milly Dowler and how they knew she was walking down a particular road, then she just 'disappeared' and none of the cameras could see her, yet she must have been on that road somewhere. I think the Yard will have the ability to do what was done in the Milly Dowler case for CCTV and look for ways Corrie could have got out of the horseshoe, either on foot or in a vehicle. From the documentary I saw on Milly Dowler it was very technical expertise that had to be used to find her on that CCTV, not exactly by seeing her per se, but by understanding how she was being obscured, which could help them pin down her actual position without physical views of her.

I'm sure the Yard has other expertise they can bring to the case, but that's one example that my intuition tells me will be part of what they can bring to the investigation.

I think you are quite correct, they can offer more sophisticated perusal, also extra manpower of course.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/73...tland-Yard-RAF-airman-missing-Bury-St-Edmunds

Scotland Yard have been called in to help find missing RAF airman

SPECIALIST officers from Scotland Yard have been called in to try to solve the riddle of how an RAF airman vanished after a night out.

They have been asked to examine more than 1,000 hours of CCTV footage for clues to Corrie McKeague’s disappearance in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk.

The footage has already been scoured by local police but it is hoped the Yard officers may be able to spot the 23-year-old gunner from nearby RAF Honington.

 

[rogerthelodger]

Yes a duel sim. Tony has confirmed he only used one SIM card

But he could of obtained another one and used that unknown to Tony? , switching from one to the other?
Is it the actual handset that pings the mast or the sim card , sorry for my ignorance

 

[Amonet]

Bearing in mind that I still have ten pages of catching up to do...this is something I was thinking about, too.

Because, technically, who could predict that Corrie would be in that place at that time? Considering the way the night had gone with so many unplanned events....getting made to leave the club early, going for food, deciding to eat in the doorway and then dozing in the doorway. It seems like no one should have been able to guess that Corrie would be there. As far as his mates in the club were concerned Corrie might have been back in quarters by 2am, or if they didn't know why he left the club, they might have thought he'd left with a girl or other friends for the night or weekend. No one, that we know of, had any reason to suppose Corrie would be in the horseshoe area at that time...it wasn't predictable.

But, Corrie could have used Whatsapp to message someone and tell them that's where he was...And that could be either asking for a lift, or just as simple as saying "looks like I'm sleeping in the car tonight as I'm stuck in BSE without enough cash for a taxi back". But to know his exact position, it seems more likely he'd asked for a lift from someone.

Or he didn't message anyone and he could have got a lift from a total stranger.

The phone pings confuse me, because if Corrie was still with the phone, then he was still on the BSE mast for an hour after the last CCTV sighting...maybe in a building or in a car, before the phone took off to get picked up by the Barton Mills mast.

But I can't figure out who'd put the phone in the bin? I think it would be hard for most people to know which bin was going to be picked up and taken to Mildenhall around 4am to 5am that very morning. The most likely person to put the phone in the bin seems to be Corrie himself, either by accident or on purpose. As Corrie wasn't still carrying his takeaway rubbish with him in the last CCTV it seems hard for him to put the phone in there by accident.

Maybe Corrie dropped the phone and one of the 23 people picked it up and then drove off with it?

Nothing here makes any sense. While the thread was down I looked at another UK case, the one about the homeless man in Malaga. All the evidence in that case pointed to one particular thing...but then there was the ham and tuna that was the real key to the explanation for the case. I feel like that's what we're missing here....what is the equivalent of the ham and tuna? (Sorry for anyone who hasn't read that thread for this esoteric reference.)

So, who knew he would be there? and why would he be there? What reasons are there for targeting him?

 

[hazel324]

Yes a duel sim. Tony has confirmed he only used one SIM card

hmmmm having a secret second phone is a 'thing' that family might not know (clue is in the word secret)

same could be said for a separate number on a dual sim for secret liaisons so I'd definitely not discount a second number.

that said, I guess 'whatsapp' somewhat diminishes the need for this

 

[Dcflag]

But he could of obtained another one and used that unknown to Tony? , switching from one to the other?
Is it the actual handset that pings the mast or the sim card , sorry for my ignorance

that I don't know, my guess would be the handset as apps can ping but I really don't know

 

[rogerthelodger]

hmmmm having a secret second phone is a 'thing' that family might not know (clue is in the word secret)

same could be said for a separate number on a dual sim for secret liaisons so I'd definitely not discount a second number.

that said, I guess 'whatsapp' somewhat diminishes the need for this

There are other things that you might not want on your regular phone.
My son has different phones for different people :/

 

[Amonet]

Don't be sorry or feel ignorant, it's something that's going to be hard to answer without being an expert in that field and knowing exactly what the readouts from the mast look like. (And I'm not an expert in those things!)

The handset pings the mast because it has the sim card in it. So if you changed the sim, then the main thing you're doing is changing the phone number, and generally when you're looking on the mast for that phone, you're really looking for that phone number.

So tracking a changed sim would depend on how much information is tacked onto the ping along with the phone number. We've also been told that there are legal reasons that the police have difficulty in getting the general information from the mast, and we are not privy to whether or not they have been allowed a warrant to get the general information. I would say that if you changed the sim card, then the phone would appear to go dead, but in reality it would be in use with a different phone number. A more in depth interrogation of the mast data might be able to follow that happening, but they probably don't yet have permission for that more in depth interrogation of the data, because that requires complicated warrants.

But he could of obtained another one and used that unknown to Tony? , switching from one to the other?
Is it the actual handset that pings the mast or the sim card , sorry for my ignorance

 

[soundssuspicious]

I will need some time to go back through the 500 plus screen shots I have to confirm biffa was said by the family in comments.



on another note - I wonder why some social media was deleted. Seems an odd thing to happen , considering the only person that should have access to it is currently missing although I understand the powers that be have access to these things (again a confirmed FACT) however find it odd that they have been deleting things??

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Are you saying that some of Corrie's social media e.g. Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat etc has been deleted? Do you know that as fact in as much as you actually saw the posts that have now gone?

If that's correct then that's REALLY strange.

If someone close to Corrie has deleted these alleged posts - then they're obviously trying to hide something.

Do do you know when the posts were deleted? It could be Corrie himself (if he's gone AWOL or it could be someone else whose finally cracked his password, and is keeping their fingers crossed that people may not have seen those original posts.

Providing what you say say is correct, of course...

Regarding your FACT that "the powers that be have access to such things" - how do you know that? My understanding has always been that Facebook etc will not under any circumstances allow ANYONE access to someone else's account. I don't think even the police are allowed access, unless maybe through a court order, but even then I'm sure Facebook won't co-operate.

It it might be worth verifying that with Facebook themselves, and all the other social sites Corrie belongs to. I'm CONVINCED they refuse people access - whoever they are - so if data has definitely been deleted since he went missing, either he's deleted it, or someone close to him has finally cracked his password and deleted it.

Do you know the contents of what was deleted?

 

[Dcflag]

Bearing in mind that I still have ten pages of catching up to do...this is something I was thinking about, too.

Because, technically, who could predict that Corrie would be in that place at that time? Considering the way the night had gone with so many unplanned events....getting made to leave the club early, going for food, deciding to eat in the doorway and then dozing in the doorway. It seems like no one should have been able to guess that Corrie would be there. As far as his mates in the club were concerned Corrie might have been back in quarters by 2am, or if they didn't know why he left the club, they might have thought he'd left with a girl or other friends for the night or weekend. No one, that we know of, had any reason to suppose Corrie would be in the horseshoe area at that time...it wasn't predictable.

But, Corrie could have used Whatsapp to message someone and tell them that's where he was...And that could be either asking for a lift, or just as simple as saying "looks like I'm sleeping in the car tonight as I'm stuck in BSE without enough cash for a taxi back". But to know his exact position, it seems more likely he'd asked for a lift from someone.

Or he didn't message anyone and he could have got a lift from a total stranger.

The phone pings confuse me, because if Corrie was still with the phone, then he was still on the BSE mast for an hour after the last CCTV sighting...maybe in a building or in a car, before the phone took off to get picked up by the Barton Mills mast.

But I can't figure out who'd put the phone in the bin? I think it would be hard for most people to know which bin was going to be picked up and taken to Mildenhall around 4am to 5am that very morning. The most likely person to put the phone in the bin seems to be Corrie himself, either by accident or on purpose. As Corrie wasn't still carrying his takeaway rubbish with him in the last CCTV it seems hard for him to put the phone in there by accident.

Maybe Corrie dropped the phone and one of the 23 people picked it up and then drove off with it?

Nothing here makes any sense. While the thread was down I looked at another UK case, the one about the homeless man in Malaga. All the evidence in that case pointed to one particular thing...but then there was the ham and tuna that was the real key to the explanation for the case. I feel like that's what we're missing here....what is the equivalent of the ham and tuna? (Sorry for anyone who hasn't read that thread for this esoteric reference.)

My feelings on writing were that he had prearranged with someone he knew to meet at a particular time. Whether through WhatsApp (which I personally use more than texting these days) or verbal, prior to the evening, video chat maybe? The person would know he was there, any persons they may have discussed with would know he was there, he'd be there because he's waiting. Why would they target him? Someone that he knew? It's a puzzler for sure.

As for the phone, it wouldn't have to necessarily be collected in the bin to make a difference. As long as it's not tracking Corrie by sitting in there it serves it's purpose in being binned. But for that theory you'd have to go on the assumption he was taken unwillingly and his phone was forcibly removed.

 

[rogerthelodger]

Thank you.. I hate keeping asking questions. I know it makes me look lazy but so there is so much conflicting stuff going on with this half the time I don't know what's fact or fiction.
Then when I think of something and go to check back I find so much has been deleted including photos :/

 

[Dcflag]

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Are you saying that some of Corrie's social media e.g. Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat etc has been deleted? Do you know that as fact in as much as you actually saw the posts that have now gone?

If that's correct then that's REALLY strange.

If someone close to Corrie has deleted these alleged posts - then they're obviously trying to hide something.

Do do you know when the posts were deleted? It could be Corrie himself (if he's gone AWOL or it could be someone else whose finally cracked his password, and is keeping their fingers crossed that people may not have seen those original posts.

Providing what you say say is correct, of course...

Regarding your FACT that "the powers that be have access to such things" - how do you know that? My understanding has always been that Facebook etc will not under any circumstances allow ANYONE access to someone else's account. I don't think even the police are allowed access, unless maybe through a court order, but even then I'm sure Facebook won't co-operate.

It it might be worth verifying that with Facebook themselves, and all the other social sites Corrie belongs to. I'm CONVINCED they refuse people access - whoever they are - so if data has definitely been deleted since he went missing, either he's deleted it, or someone close to him has finally cracked his password and deleted it.

Do you know the contents of what was deleted?

The only part of that I can answer is Nicola has stated police have had access to his media accounts, hence why he is a member of the find Corrie Facebook page and why his plenty of fish has been logged in since he was missing. You could assume the family let them into the accounts, maybe his security information was easy for them to use to get in. But it's been stated a number of times all his messages etc have been checked by police through his media platforms.

 

[Dcflag]

Thank you.. I hate keeping asking questions. I know it makes me look lazy but so there is so much conflicting stuff going on with this half the time I don't know what's fact or fiction.
Then when I think of something and go to check back I find so much has been deleted including photos :/

Ask away, I don't always know things especially the phone mast stuff and the finer cctv details. If I can answer I will, it's no bother to me

 

[soundssuspicious]

The why he was waiting is the trouble. It could be that bay was jut a fortunately easy place to turn in and collect somone.

I'm going to rule out tinder/Facebook/snapchat etc etc. I couldn't comment on a Grindr profile mainly because if they don't know he has r they can't check it. It would lend to the more hidden loctation but as I said that could be convenience.

It could be a hookup of some kind, could be drugs related (although I doubt this, would need to be heavy drugs to be someone who would kidnap) I'm willing to bet he had met the person before. I don't buy accidentally binning the phone, I just don't. If it travelled separately in the bin which is looking likely this has to be premeditated with an intention to hurt him.

My issue with WhatsApp is I'm not sure what happens to your messages. I recently changed my phone over and I'm pretty sure my previous messages did not appear. I'm sure I have back up switched off though maybe that's why.

Regarding Whatsapp - from my own experience - if you order a replacement SIM card and put it in a new phone it doesn't show old conversations. I think they're stored on the actual phone.

However, Corrie had a "two-sim" phone, which are hard to buy in the U.K. I understand they're popular in many other countries, but haven't been marketed in the U.K. You can find 2-sim phones online, but due to their scarcety here you're limited to what phone you can buy; hence possibly why Corrie had quite an old, low value phone? The reason most people buy 2-sim phones, is that they need one number for business and one private number. The SIM cards don't need to be with the same network, either.

I wonder if Corrie's family have done a search to locate the phone number of the second sim, which I'd imagine Corrie possibly had - why else have a 2-sim phone if not for wanting two separate numbers?

 

[soundssuspicious]

That's good to know, it's so easy to miss the families comments. So biffa don't tend to outsource their collections?

If you mean corries social media I'd assume it's just for privacy, they must know tons of ransoms are pouring over what they can find. He's still their son/brother/nephew. It's probably best to avoid his life being scrutinised by people.

Regarding Biffa and the bin lorry, I think too much emphasis is being put on which company the lorry belongs to. The fact is, the lorry is contracted to collect from that particular bin - and as it's on their rota of pick-ups they'd collect the contents regardless of how little was in there. The driver wouldn't know until he got there whether it was filled to the brim or half empty. He has to collect it - end of. It's also fact that the bin lorry was seen on CCTV, and that's why the police did a search of it. The police know EXACTLY which bin lorry it was, so I don't see the point in trying to establish if it was the correct lorry - it clearly was.

Regarding Corrie's social media, his family has asked for the publics help - so obviously people are going to look at his social media accounts. And don't forget, not all of Corrie's account was private, which is why some of his posts/images were public. If you post pictures and posts publicly, anyone at all is at liberty to look at them. And it stands to reason that as he's gone missing, people are going to scrutinise his SM accounts. I agree that it can't be comfortable for Corrie's family having the public discuss and scrutinise his accounts, but they've asked for help in finding him, so I'm sure they expect to hear suggestions which they know could be unsettling or upsetting.

 

[mraccountant]

Has anyone considered the fact that he might have wanted to go underground (AWOL)?? Are they considering this as a motive at all ??

 

[soundssuspicious]

Tony has said all vehicles have been identified so can only assume the Police have actually got physical access to them. Now whether they are fully legit cars is another question.

If owned by criminals then it could be possible there is no proper registered keeper and proving who had possession on the night in question could be delaying things?

That is just one possibility though. If the cars are fully legit I can't see why they wouldn't just pull the owner in for questioning and eliminate/incriminate them.

Yes, Tony said all vehicles have been identified, so therefore the police would have known as soon as they studied the CCTV who the keepers of those vehicles are and their addresses. It doesn't matter who had possession of the vehicle that night - if Corrie had been inside one of them the police would find traces of DNA. The police most probably have already inspected those vehicles - we don't know because the police have made no statements.

Remember, that area seems to a good parking spot (in the images there's usually always cars parked there) so there's bound to be coming and goings of cars etc.

If there WAS a vehicle with false number plates picked up on CCTV, the police would have appealed for information and said they were looking for a specific vehicle with said reg number.

 

[soundssuspicious]

An assumption, to perhaps make clear that this one person being fixated on is not abnormal at this time of night. That s/he is one of many and not suspicious because of the colour of clothing.

This thing about "dark clothing" is much like when they said they were interested in finding the man in the "Black Death T-shirt...whose since been spoken to and eliminated. It grabbed the headlines, though...

Lots of people wear dark clothing - dark jeans/trousers/jackets - it means nothing at all except they like what they're wearing.