Elainera
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He also had this long nose!
Identified! UK - David Lytton, South Pennines, 'Neil Dovestone', 65-75, Dec'15
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He also had this long nose!
I know, that photograph is so like the cctv images!
edit - was a photo not a portrait.
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I literally just jumped out of my chair at this news! Cannot wait for the presser tomorrow for more detail.
Ok so now my connections are getting weird, take or leave them :lol:
The viceroy/governor general of India as linked above was
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bulwer-Lytton,_1st_Earl_of_Lytton
He had a daughter, called Constance. She had some awful experiences in prison, especially as she was from an aristocratic family.
Lady Constance Lytton :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Constance_Bulwer-Lytton
Constance was a suffragette and knew Annie Kenney, who was also a suffragette. Born in Springhead. Edge of Saddleworth Moor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Kenney
Annie died in 1953. Her ashes were scattered - per her request - on Saddleworth Moor
Page 5 here, see also references to the Lytton family :
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-b-ab
The viceroy/governor general of India as linked above was
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bulwer-Lytton,_1st_Earl_of_Lytton
He had a daughter, called Constance. She had some awful experiences in prison, especially as she was from an aristocratic family.
Lady Constance Lytton :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Constance_Bulwer-Lytton
Constance was a suffragette and knew Annie Kenney, who was also a suffragette. Born in Springhead. Edge of Saddleworth Moor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Kenney
Annie died in 1953. Her ashes were scattered - per her request - on Saddleworth Moor
Page 5 here, see also references to the Lytton family :
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-b-ab
The Lytton family pile is Knebworth House. Those who are old enough will be familiar with Knebworth and festivals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knebworth_House
I'm drawn to a comment by the coroner in the Mail (sorry!) :
'I am extremely anxious that the surviving members of the deceased's family be left in peace as such and can come to term with their grievous loss in the days, weeks and months that follow and they not be subjected to any unnecessary intrusion.'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-41...th-Moor-FINALLY-identified.html#ixzz4WsztSEjr
Is this normal concern that would be expressed for any family in these circumstances or is our David Lytton connected to the aristocratic Lyttons? The Lahore link makes me think he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knebworth_House
I'm drawn to a comment by the coroner in the Mail (sorry!) :
'I am extremely anxious that the surviving members of the deceased's family be left in peace as such and can come to term with their grievous loss in the days, weeks and months that follow and they not be subjected to any unnecessary intrusion.'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-41...th-Moor-FINALLY-identified.html#ixzz4WsztSEjr
Is this normal concern that would be expressed for any family in these circumstances or is our David Lytton connected to the aristocratic Lyttons? The Lahore link makes me think he is.
Correct Lytton or not, brilliant sleuthing Dance Card and kudos to dalsglen for the canny " Dave " suggestion!!
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Frequency of the name Lytton in the UK is according to http://worldnames.publicprofiler.org/ 3.75 per million = approximately 240 people in the UK. Can that be? It sounds like a rare name?
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That's not many at all, it's not a name I'd heard of before.
And DanceCard, I have also just been following the Constance story, hadn't got as far as Annie though yet.
Agree also that the coroner's remarks are interesting, sounds like they're expecting "intrusion"... Hmmmm....
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I love old photos, and found this one of Constance and Annie from 1910
And this one with Constance, Annie and the Pankhursts. Looks like our Connie had "the nose" too.
And this one with Constance, Annie and the Pankhursts. Looks like our Connie had "the nose" too.
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I'm not very good with Twitter but I just found a couple of posts which may turn out to be little nuggets of information:
EDIT: I've just realised it's the presser now!!
EDIT: I've just realised it's the presser now!!
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GMP PRESS CONFERENCE
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David Lytton been living in Lahore, Pakistan since 2006. But no links to #saddleworth. It is believed not to have spouse or children
He had friends but liked his own company
Don't think there was deliberate intention to cause such interest in his death but he did take positive action to not be in possession of certain items of property
@judithmoritz BBC North
David Lytton who was found on Saddleworth Moor was not reported missing by family. Police used genealogy to trace relatives for a DNA match.
Mr Lytton was retired and had been living in Pakistan for 10 years. He flew from Lahore to Heathrow 2 days before he died.
David Lytton has no known links to the Saddleworth area or the reservoir where he died. Detectives have no idea why he chose to go there.
Police say Mr Lytton had no wife or children. DNA was matched with another relative
‏@SaddIndependent
David Lytton been living in Lahore, Pakistan since 2006. But no links to #saddleworth. It is believed not to have spouse or children
He had friends but liked his own company
Don't think there was deliberate intention to cause such interest in his death but he did take positive action to not be in possession of certain items of property
@judithmoritz BBC North
David Lytton who was found on Saddleworth Moor was not reported missing by family. Police used genealogy to trace relatives for a DNA match.
Mr Lytton was retired and had been living in Pakistan for 10 years. He flew from Lahore to Heathrow 2 days before he died.
David Lytton has no known links to the Saddleworth area or the reservoir where he died. Detectives have no idea why he chose to go there.
Police say Mr Lytton had no wife or children. DNA was matched with another relative
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Yes definitely "the" nose there! Thank you for posting these wonderful photos. Uh those Ladies! What a time that was.
It's really nice to see this mystery solved and whether he's related to the famous Lyttons or not, it's fun to research these families. Since the name is rare I would think at some point in the past there would be a common ancestor.
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"Indians Head" - maybe he had a secret Indian sweetheart during his time in Pakistan.
I've never heard the name before Elainera. It was because the name's unusual that I thought it weird that there's a Lytton Road in Lahore and started doing a bit of digging.
I've seen another portrait of one of the Viscounts Lytton, who died in 1947, who had the same nose. Actually the facial resemblance is uncanny and I'm not convinced it's just a coincidence!
This Viscount was born in a place in India that I've never heard of, 'Shimla'. It's about 150 miles from Lahore.
Look at his portrait :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Bulwer-Lytton,_2nd_Earl_of_Lytton
Currently doing a bit of digging about Indian's Head.
That's nuts. Very close resemblance IMO.
I'm so glad he has his name back. RIP. So sorry for whatever his turmoil was.
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Excellent news, though obviously sad for the family. I wonder if they'd lost contact, hence no missing report?
One of the links above says he'd been living in Pakistan for 10 years, and returned to the UK two days before his death.
One of the links above says he'd been living in Pakistan for 10 years, and returned to the UK two days before his death.
I've found an actual photograph of Victor Lytton.
I see such a strong resemblance I feel that there must be a family connection here somewhere.
I wonder if we could get Carl K to the thread to pass his opinion?
http://www.npgprints.com/image/4108...eorge-robert-bulwer-lytton-2nd-earl-of-lytton
Of course, none of this explains the Saddleworth part of it.
I'm feeling the need to go up there and have a look around. I will only go when the weather is decent and when my friend who lives locally can accompany me as I'm not a good hiker and don't trust myself trying to follow an OS map of the area.
As I've said many times on this thread the area spooks me even on a summer day and I drive across there without stopping!
I see such a strong resemblance I feel that there must be a family connection here somewhere.
I wonder if we could get Carl K to the thread to pass his opinion?
http://www.npgprints.com/image/4108...eorge-robert-bulwer-lytton-2nd-earl-of-lytton
Of course, none of this explains the Saddleworth part of it.
I'm feeling the need to go up there and have a look around. I will only go when the weather is decent and when my friend who lives locally can accompany me as I'm not a good hiker and don't trust myself trying to follow an OS map of the area.
As I've said many times on this thread the area spooks me even on a summer day and I drive across there without stopping!
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So no link to the area... its all just so sad and surely not just totally random?!
I had a few things to say (or actually question) about the guy at hand and what led him to basically go out into the "boondocks" to kill himself. I will post that a little later.
I just wanted to thank you tremendously for posting that website. And I wanted to say that it is super-accurate (and cool) as Hell!!!
I have a British/UK surname (Lockett) because my (British) paternal grandfather married an American woman (from Indiana) and lived out his life in Indiana and when he got to be older and he kind of moved around the country to be with his children in a few different states. They were married sometime in the 1940s.
My county was noted as having "some, but few" (the turquoise-ishy color) Lockett's in Nelson County KY. That amazed me because the Locketts in my county are solely me and my parents.
Boyle County is also the same color and I'm certain it's due to my dad's "part-time" place. He is a professor at Centre College and their tiny house is for if he has to stay on campus late or if he has to do something there very early in the morning.
We have a small place in Jefferson County (Louisville) from when I was in college at Bellarmine. My brother "stole" it after I got my degree. He now has his degree, so I don't understand why he still gets "MY" place in the city even though he has a Masters and merely works at a thrift store.
Again, thanks SO much for finding/posting that website. I've been playing around with it ever since I saw it about an hour or so ago. My moms a genealogy-nut so I gave her the website to look at, and I'm sure she'll latch onto it like an addict that finds themselves a newer/better/cheaper dealer.
Thanks a billion once more.
BTW, it says that there are some Lytton's in Kentucky. There are few (light green) in Jefferson County (Louisville in north-central KY) and Laurel County (London [KY] and Corbin) which is in the foothills of the mountains of SE Kentucky.