GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #11

[Alyce]

Murder requires a 'Cat A' prison so he won't be kept at Bedford. Hope I'm not boring anyone. Just want to imagine his fate for a while.


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Oh that's very good news. Hopefully he will go somewhere extremely unpleasant.

 

[porkypies]

It's odd isn't it. We know all about how Helen sorted her Will to safeguard poor, impoverished IS and family and organised her POA for him in case of need.
But we have heard nothing of what IS did in return.
Even if he told Helen that his Will would be for his sons only - and I can quite see him doing that and Helen going along with it - it would seem strange that he, as the more likely candidate for departure, due to ill health,
did not want to have a POA set up, for Helen to activate in case of need.

Because he knew she would have no need.

 

[SweetCinnamon]

My bet is on Whitemoor Prison. Please take a look at the prison website.


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[jessie]

My bet is on Whitemoor Prison. Please take a look at the prison website.


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After your previous links (which I found very interesting, thanks) I did read about Whitemoor. 400 or so inmates, single cells, a 9 bed sickness bay - no doubt where IS will spend most of his time - but disappointed at the range of occupations available.

I do hope he doesn't get on any computer courses.

 

[Moll]

My bet is on Whitemoor Prison. Please take a look at the prison website.


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According to the Mail half the prisoners are Muslims and prisoners come under pressure to convert. This opens up a whole new vista.

 

[MissTwiddle]

Just found a guide called 'First Time in Prison' I can't seem to link on my I-Pad but it gives a good idea of what IS can expect as a convicted prisoner. The worst thing for him is that he'll no longer 'be in control'. It'll freak him out totally.

I like the sound of that.

There's a word for it, is it ironic? that he's condemned to a world where he gets to experience the other side of what he always sought to create, control. He will no longer be the puppet master, he will be the puppet.

 

[Cherwell]

My personal opinion, and i'm no expert, is that his hope was that Helen would crash her car whilst drugged and die or be severely damaged in an accident. I think that explains the POA in addition to the will. But, that day she came home and announced that she was never going to drive again upset his plans as he took her literally. I think he saw red as she'd upset his plans.

That didn't happen though, did it? Her saying she was never going to drive again. He made that up.

 

[SweetCinnamon]

Whitemoor also has a 'dangerous and severe personality disorders unit' IMHO he should take their computer courses, he might possibly learn something. I'm cracked up thinking of a newly Muslim IS with all the clobber!


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[LozDa]

According to the Mail half the prisoners are Muslims and prisoners come under pressure to convert. This opens up a whole new vista.

In my experience, sentences beginning with 'according to the Mail' never end in all that much truth...

 

[MissTwiddle]

That didn't happen though, did it? Her saying she was never going to drive again. He made that up.

I'm not entirely sure. There have been some things that he said that were built on facts, possibly because they were easier to remember, and of all of his lies V truths that does sound more likely to be a truth because he had no gain in making it up. Other than I suppose giving strength to his clam that she caught a taxi/train to Broadstairs. I was under the impression though, although I might be wrong, that someone else had confirmed that Helen had been finding driving difficult lately.

 

[Alyce]

My bet is on Whitemoor Prison. Please take a look at the prison website.


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Yes, a good one for him

 

[cottonweaver]

According to the Mail half the prisoners are Muslims and prisoners come under pressure to convert. This opens up a whole new vista.

that final quip made me laugh Moll, (even though our prison crisis is a serious matter). Ian the convert, the new jihadi.

As for Whitemoor etc . Nice to know Cat A. 9 sick bay beds - he has no chance of bed-hogging in there with all those inmates. It's going to be a living hell for him. Wonder when he moves in and who is cell mate will be?


£4 sick pay a week?
Here's hoping for some financial punishment on the insurance ( as Alyce has mentioned) and on the legal fees pay back ( Michelle's point.)
Be good to get more clarity on the latter.


In case it is Whitemoor ( thanks Cinammon)

In June 2006, an inspection report from Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Prisons criticised staff at Whitemoor Prison for ignoring prisoners, and not responding to their queries and requests for help promptly enough. The report also criticised the prison's healthcare provision and pharmacy, as well stating that black and Asian prisoners felt subtle discrimination against them. However, the report did praise Whitemoor's specialist units - such as the dangerous and severe personality disorders wing - which were said to be performing well.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Whitemoor

 

[Alyce]

Because he knew she would have no need.

Indeed. But I would have expected him to do something, play along with the idea that they had to do reciprocal POAs.

 

[MissTwiddle]

Whitemoor also has a 'dangerous and severe personality disorders unit' IMHO he should take their computer courses, he might possibly learn something. I'm cracked up thinking of a newly Muslim IS with all the clobber!

He might like the taking the shoes off part

 

[BatFace]

He might like the taking the shoes off part

::ROAR::


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[BlueMosaic]

Because he knew she would have no need.

Like Alyce, I was thinking of IS going through the motions for appearance (and perhaps secretly changing them later) but of course that would cost around a thousand or so and Helen was manoeuvred into thinking about him, not of what would normally be seen as IS's need to make provision, for his sons, her and so on. Just indicates his grip but I would like to know what the solicitor said/thought (even if I have a low view of some).

 

[michelle230]

Apologies if I post anything that`s already been covered. I`ve only just scanned some posts or read some randomly out of sequence. Will take me days to catch up :thinking:

Although we know a lot more about this case that is out there in the media, I did like some of the way the documentary on channel 5 was presented yesterday - in particular I loved the way that the real Helen was interspersed throughout, and thought that added real insight to the person that Helen was, and the enormity of the loss. It brought the reality "home" and added true poignancy to the horror. The specific parts where Helen`s voice was heard were carefully and thoughtfully placed IMO.

IS - given the choice as he unfortunately was- was absolutely no way going to appear publicly to face his sentencing and sentencing report. I think we now know enough about his character to understand that given the choice, he would not stand there and take the final humiliation (forget any guilt or remorse). After all, he was the big "I am". It seems like everything he had planned throughout his adult life had gone exactly his way. Each time. Be it the suing for compensation. Be it his (planned) critical illness insurance scoop. Be it (I am convinced), the disposal of his wife. And all the others things which I`m sure are there in his history, even if we are not aware. His plans and schemes worked every time with huge benefits.
He failed this time. He failed in the biggest, most dramatic way, in the full public view of strangers and family alike.
We now all know who IS is and who he has always been.
The mask he so successfully wore for over 50 years has crumbled to the ground and the truth of IS is fully exposed.
He was * never * that person who the world thought him to be.
The only person who hasn`t yet faced the real IS is IS himself. And he can`t and I don`t believe, ever will.
There was nothing to be gained (for him) to appear in person or re video link.
Listening to the programme on Radio 2 today - an interesting and never before discussed topic, regardless of IS - there was little that could be done to enforce his appearance. Sanctions? Like what? Reduce his sentence by 6 months? No visiting orders? (Who is going to visit him?) There was no carrot that could be offered which would have been enticing enough to compensate for facing the world as a vilified, despised, failure of a human being that he is.
When I first became interested in this case, and when I first went to court, in my naivety, I truly expected to see a broken man. A shrivelled, apologetic, frightened, fearful man.
I was wrong. And I was shocked by his demeanour. His calmness, his total lack of emotion. His manipulation. His entitlement. As the facts emerged, and have continued to emerge e.g. the critical illness insurance, as but one example - I see a portrait of a man who has plotted and planned and schemed his way through life. Who has learnt that lying and laziness and deception pays. Who can live a lazy, indolent, unconstructive life off the back of others. Who can take, and take some more...and keep taking. And each time his plans went to form and he derived the benefits and rewards, it just reinforced his behaviour and he felt invincible.
I believe he is in deep shock. Because this time he failed.
His whole past has caught up with him, finally, and exploded in his face.

 

[Cherwell]

I'm not entirely sure. There have been some things that he said that were built on facts, possibly because they were easier to remember, and of all of his lies V truths that does sound more likely to be a truth because he had no gain in making it up. Other than I suppose giving strength to his clam that she caught a taxi/train to Broadstairs. I was under the impression though, although I might be wrong, that someone else had confirmed that Helen had been finding driving difficult lately.

Now you mention it, I think there was something, but it was quite some time earlier, when she was still living in London. IMBW though.

 

[Alyce]

Like Alyce, I was thinking of IS going through the motions for appearance (and perhaps secretly changing them later) but of course that would cost around a thousand or so and Helen was manoeuvred into thinking about him, not of what would normally be seen as IS's need to make provision, for his sons, her and so on. Just indicates his grip but I would like to know what the solicitor said/thought (even if I have a low view of some).

Ah yes. The thought of paying out money - for something that IS knew, for sure, would not be required - would bring him out in a cold sweat.
But the solicitor point is very valid. Would be rather remiss of the solicitor if he or she did not raise the issue ......and, if IS came up with some bull***** idea as to why he did not need to do a POA, that should have been an alarm bell ringing right there.

 

[MissTwiddle]

Now you mention it, I think there was something, but it was quite some time earlier, when she was still living in London. IMBW though.

I have a memory, but forgive me because they're not entirely reliable, that it was one of his son's girlfriends that had mentioned a recent upset about driving.