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Planet Grief
May 24, 2012

your GGHW turned *advertiser censored* Grey-Haired Widower (BGHW).

Who knows what will happen with GGHW? I know what I feel will happen, but as with any relationship things could collapse faster than a souffle from a hot oven.

GGHW has (jokingly) banned me from Googling relationships after death as I am always coming up with stories where after a couple of years a widow or widower wakes up and out of the blue says: "I can't deal with this any more/can't commit/never dealt with the grief/was kidding myself etc etc." How much is still grief related and how much is an excuse? Don't know, but heartbreak after bereavement must be particularly painful. I have heard others say it felt like another bereavement.

Ian
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June 11, 2012

You were not jokingly banned from Googling relationships

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As it's stuck on the previous thread, going to put his whole day's testimony on here so posters coming on later can come out of lurkdom and post their responses to it etc.

Would love to nail some more truth-twisters from his early courtship days with Helen.
 
Helen does go on to reply "Ha!" though, which would suggest she sees that as IS's humour.
 
Ian Stewart is now to give evidence.

Ian Stewart confirms his name and date of birth. He is looking at the indictment. Within two minutes of going into the witness box, he denies killing Ms Bailey, taking any part in the killing or her death, or knowing anything about a body.

Simon Russell Flint, defending, asked: 'It is alleged that you murdered Helen Bailey - did you do so?'
Stewart, wearing a white, chequered shirt and jeans, replied: 'No.'
Mr Russell Flint continued: 'Did you play any part in her death?'
'No,' he replied.

His counsel asked: 'Did you have any knowledge of her death until you heard her body had been found on July 15?'
'No,' he replied.*

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-flooded-phone-messages.html#ixzz4Y1GZC1We*


He also denies the charge of fraud - and denies taking any part in altering the standing order. Stewart said he wasn’t aware of the death of Helen until July 15, and had no knowledge of a dead body. Stewart said he did not pervert the course of public justice by disposing of a duvet, reporting Helen missing, or disposing of Helen’s mobile phone.

Stewart tells jurors he was born in Letchworth Garden City. His dad worked as a teacher, his mum worked as a secretary. He said he ended up in a grammar school, to which both his parents had also gone. He said he played a lot of sport at this time. “The only thing that was slightly difficult in my upbringing was that my mum did suffer from postnatal depression, which caused depression and OCD. “It was difficult taking friends back from school when I was younger. “My grandparents were alive until I was about 18.”

Stewart went to Salford University, to study electronic computer systems, a three year degree course. “In 1978, this is how I got the scar on my cheek. I was going to Stevenage Leisure Centre to play sport with my friends. “It was icy, I put my hand on the door, my foot slipped and I went straight through the glass door. “The reason the accident happened was because there was the wrong glass in the door, which was found out later. “I got £7,000 compensation.”


“My health got worse and worse, I ended up in bed for a week, I was diagnosed with glandular fever which meant I couldn’t take my first year of exams. “At the end of my second year I was top of the course. “I met Diane at the beginning of my third and final year. Diane was studying languages. “We met in the canteen and I stole a chip off her plate. That’s how we met”. Stewart’s voice breaks as he talks about how he met his late wife.

“I graduated with a first class honours and got the course prize. Diane had another three years to go of her studies. “I got a job in Hitchin working for computer process control. “I did miss being a student. I’d been to an interview at Cambridge University and went to study for a PHD in computer graphics. “The relationship with Diane continued at that time. “Once she completed her studies she moved to Cambridge and moved in with me. It didn’t go down well with her parents at the time. “We bought our first house together right in the centre of Cambridge.”

“We managed somehow to pay the mortgage - the deposit was paid by my compensation for my earlier accident. “I didn’t complete my PhD course, that is always one regret of mine. I was offered too difficult a job to turn down. “In 1985 Diane and I got married. We had a nice traditional wedding. We moved into a semi-detached house. “I began working for a small company that made systems for motor engine analysis. “I was working outside of Cambridge and needed a car. Before either of the lads were born I bought an MG. My interest in those type of cars continued until Jamie was born. “I got another job at a much bigger company, based in Shepreth, about 10 miles from Cambridge. “Jamie was born in 1992, when I was still in Cambridge. “That didn’t go smoothly. Diane had had epileptic fits when she was about 16, during the pregnancy of Jamie she had very high blood pressure. “She was out shopping and had a fit then and there. I was called to hospital. “Jamie was not a natural birth, he was born by C section. It was a bit of a panic.”

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12566970
 
“Diane then had another epileptic fit, she was in hospital, but the consequence of that was serious. “She was banned from driving for three years. She made up her mind that she wasn’t going to go back to work and was going to be a stay at home mum. “The main reason we moved to Bassingbourn was because we wanted more space. I then had less than a five minute drive to work. “We lived in a caravan whilst the house was being built on farmer’s land. “We had to borrow some money to buy the land.”

“During the work on the house I would find myself tired and unable to do anything quicker than my dad. “I realised something was wrong then (1994/95). “Oliver was born the same year, in May 1995. Diane was taking medication for epilepsy. “We moved into the house, it wasn’t finished but it was liveable. “I started to notice more and more things going wrong with my health. What really bought it to a head is that I was trying to hammer a nail in, and on the third bang my arm just wouldn’t move. “That’s what drove me to go to hospital. I was diagnosed almost instantly with Myasthenia gravis. “It is an auto-immune disease where the body is attacking itself. They gave me steroids. “A week later I was taken into intensive care because of the breathing problems. “The doctor’s don’t know what causes Myasthenia gravis - there is no known cure for it.”

“I was operated upon. That was my worst time ever in hospital. “Eventually I was discharged. “I was off work due to the tiredness and weakness. “With this [my illness] you just feel totally done in. “My muscles in my face sometimes don’t work, I have no idea when I’m smiling or not. “I have a more passive expression than most.”


Stewart said he later had a cancer scare, and was convinced to have another operation. “I went back into Papworth Hospital and had the same operation. Very annoyingly all it was was scar tissue. “It wasn’t cancer, thankfully. “Myasthenia gravis is quite rare, every time I end up in Addenbrooke’s Hospital they use me as a demonstration. Stewart said one of his lungs only has 60 per cent capacity, adding “compared to my other breathing problems that’s not good.”

Stewart was unable to return to work after severe attack

Stewart also said effectively he only has one vocal chord as a result of complications with his operations. “I’ve been in intensive care five or six times. Generally, I was down there because they’re so concerned. “I went back to work and we went on holiday. I had a severe attack and ended up in intensive care in France. “I was flown back to Addenbrooke’s and was in intensive care there for a while. “Following my discharge from there I never went back to work again on advice from the doctors. “It’s not known what brings my Myasthenia gravis on.”

“I’ve had a blue (disabled) badge when driving for 18/19 years. “Sadly Diane died on June 25, 2010. “I was left in charge of the two boys. They were 18 and 15 at that time. “I was given a book on how to cope and deal with grief from a bridesmaid at Diane’s wedding. “In the book was also a website name for a forum for widows and widowers to share their feelings. “It was a very open forum and it was very good. “I went to an event in London, 30 of us shared experiences of grieving face to face.”
 
Stewart says there was also a spin off page for the forum on Facebook. “A group of two or three widows set up a Facebook group, it was a closed group. “It now has about 300 members. “When I first went on the first website I didn’t think it was for me. But it was great just to write your feelings down. “Helen Bailey was given the name of this grieving website by the foreign office after her husband died. “She was made aware of the Facebook group and came to join it. “I wasn’t aware of her at all but one morning Helen messaged me to ask how I was. “She said she wasn’t doing great, and in two days time it was her husband’s funeral. “I said it wouldn’t be easy, but told her to do what feels right to her. “The first contact between the two of us was initiated by Helen.”

“She came back on after the funeral and said thanks, then we continued talking. “At the time Helen was just one of many widows and widowers I was speaking to. “I never met Helen at all socially, face to face at this time. “About a month after John Sinfield’s funeral I was now nearly coming up to a year on from losing Diane and I thought this (the groups) was not for me anymore. “New people were coming on the group all the time and they had raw grief, which took you back to the raw grief that you felt. “I didn’t go on any of these groups for three months.”

“I went away on holiday with Oliver, and it was while I was away. I asked my mum and dad to come, they said yes. Later they said they only came to give me support. “Whilst I was away my mum had a heart attack and ended up in a Spanish hospital. “They came back (to Letchworth) where they live. “She was ill and I was concerned, so I ended up going back on this Facebook group at this time. “When I came back on (the group) there was a big welcome. I always used to sign off with the phrase ‘olli’ as in ‘one life live it’. Stewart becomes tearful again as he adds: “That was something me and Diane used to say together. “Helen messaged me, said she wondered where I’d been and that she thought I had abandoned them all.”

“Helen also joined another charity I joined, called WAY (widowed and young). “We’d spend more time one to one communicating on Facebook and chatting about all sorts of things. “We’d support each other. It seemed strange but virtual hugs, at that time, meant a lot. “There was no romance at that point. “After a while we exchanged email addresses, and we started long email discussions. “Our emails became bigger and bigger.”

I had very few photographs of myself, Helen had some.. “One of the jokes I used to say was that I was communicating with an author. “She often corrected my information. “When we were talking about childhoods, she said her mum also suffered with depression. “At some point she made me aware of my books. I can say this now, she was the character, Electra Brown was Helen. Effectively they were autobiographical books. The names and faces changed but it was Helen.” Stewart becomes tearful again as he tells jurors this.
 
“We exchanged numbers, it was just chit chat but I’d be amazed for how long I was on the phone.” Stewart is asked when his relationship with Helen became more than being just friends. “Her and her friend were out, she was drinking whiskey, and I was at home. “She came back home, she was tipsy and I was as well. We carried on emailing. “At some point during the course of those emails the tone changed. “It became flirty, no question about it. “Then she I said you’d better go to bed now, before I say something. “That day/night we called Freaky Friday, because we really did click online. “Although it was just emails things changed big time. “Even then telephone contact was very small. “During that week we were talking about where we lived, we sent photos of our houses. “She attached a photo of one of the houses and said tomorrow night she would be on her own. On that photo she had an address. I saw this as a subtle invite, I drove up unannounced to her house and text her to say I was here. “She rushed out to see me, she was only wearing pyjamas, she wasn’t happy but she was. “We both fell into each other’s arms”, Stewart becomes tearful again. “She asked me if I wanted to come in, I said yes.”

During that week we were talking about where we lived, we sent photos of our houses. “She attached a photo of one of the houses and said tomorrow night she would be on her own. On that photo she had an address. I saw this as a subtle invite, I drove up unannounced to her house and text her to say I was here. “She rushed out to see me, she was only wearing pyjamas, she wasn’t happy but she was. “We both fell into each other’s arms”, Stewart becomes tearful again. “She asked me if I wanted to come in, I said yes.”

Stewart stayed over at Helen Bailey's house

“I stayed in the house that night. “That night in the future we referred to as ‘fruitcase friday’ because I was a nutter for driving up there, and she was a nutter for letting an unknown man in her house for the night.”

“It was almost a joke when I drove up to see her, it was just a friendship at that time. “The day I next saw her was when I went to an Arsenal game with Oliver. I’m a West Ham fan because my dad was, but my friend had tickets. “She invited us to come for a meal. Him and Helen hit it off straight away. “Helen was amazed how much Oliver ate. “That was a nice friendly event.”

“After that me and Helen met up a few times, we went for walks in the heath in London with Boris. “We then did go on a date. We met at the national portrait gallery, had lunch there, and went to the cinema. That was a romantic date for both of us. “It ended quite well. “After the cinema we took a taxi, but we passed so many places she knew with John and she became emotional. “The taxi went by Kings Cross to drop me off and Helen went home by herself. “I understood completely and was quite happy to leave.”

“After that we were phoning and chatting. We did go on more walks, I asked her if she wanted to come and see me and she said yes. “This was a big thing for Helen because it meant leaving Boris, it was also the first time she’d made any kind of journey outside London without John. “We went for a drive. We went for a pub lunch in Grantchester and I took her round Cambridge. “I walked her round the backs of the colleges, it was like I’d arranged it for her. “King’s College choir band was practising and so on. She had a lovely time.”

“Helen spent Christmas day with her brother John, and then Boxing Day she came to see us. “She hated this drive but she still did it, looking back it was amazing, I know how difficult that would have been for Helen. “It became apparent over the years that myself and John Sinfield were very different people, he was very sophisticated smooth and suave, I was not. “Helen was very different to Diane. But either way we just really clicked.”

“I’’d fallen in love with her quite quickly, but she warned me once to never say the L word. “About a week later I was hugging her and she replied instantly, I love you too. “I said I wasn’t supposed to say that was I? She said no, but it’s true, and I do love you too. “I never stopped loving her.”

Defence barrister Simon Russell Flint, told Stewart: “It’s going to be suggested later when I sit down, that you killed her. “No way”, Stewart replied. That’s the end of today’s evidence.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12566970
 
Ian said
After that me and Helen met up a few times, we went for walks in the heath in London with Boris. “We then did go on a date. We met at the national portrait gallery, had lunch there, and went to the cinema. That was a romantic date for both of us. “It ended quite well. “After the cinema we took a taxi, but we passed so many places she knew with John and she became emotional. “The taxi went by Kings Cross to drop me off and Helen went home by herself. “I understood completely and was quite happy to leave.”


helen's view:
Their first date — a trip to the National Portrait Gallery and an afternoon screening of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy in Leicester Square — was, Helen later recalled, a ‘disaster’.
‘It was too much, too soon,’ she wrote. But without Ian, she realised: ‘Life felt even darker than it already was.’ She decided to give their relationship another go.
Two years ago, Helen sold the home she had shared with John and bought a new house with Ian and his two sons, a stunning detached Arts and Crafts home on the outskirts of Royston with an acre of land and an outdoor swimming pool.
‘It’s not easy living in a household that has only come together because of the death of other people,’ she wrote online in February, ‘but losing those we love has made us cherish what we have now.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...loved-ones-asking-question.html#ixzz4Wsyel84q
 
Thank you, CW. This is nitpicky but clearly when it says 'At some point she made me aware of my books' it should say 'her books'. Of course IS may actually have said that - it would be par for the course for 'her' to become 'my', after all.
 
Ian
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August 31, 2011
I have read a couple of Helens books 'for teenage girls' shhhh.


Running in heels is one that i have read give it go.

Easy to find in charity shops ( just joking* hooks, researching

One of his PG comments. Sorry didn't keep the link.

n her book, Helen says it was 5 months after JSs death that she met IS
 
Cotton, you've just made me expire.

All of that dirge in one block is just too much for anyone to take.

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Thank you, CW. This is nitpicky but clearly when it says 'At some point she made me aware of my books' it should say 'her books'. Of course IS may actually have said that - it would be par for the course for 'her' to become 'my', after all.

Thanks Moll, I saw that when I was following updates today, there are quite a few errors in Tara's speed typing but I don't like to change secondary sources themselves really on principle.
I think it's much better for people like you to pick out relevant inaccuracies than me to start tweaking stuff and offering it up as a copy. We've had some errors in dates, weights, sums which have been spotted today.
 
I'm playing catch up and rapidly losing the will to live reading this drivel! Send me some of your Whoopee Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzonk pills Dolly - NOW!
Hi everyone. I have this case on here for a couple of weeks now. It is so interesting but heartbreaking at the same time. Helen seemed like she was such a.lovely woman who did not deserve to meet a man like Stewart. She deserved much more particularly following the unexpected death and susequent trauma with the death of her husband.

I have chosen to attach my first post to this comment as it shows a typical example of I'S's 'its all about me' mentality. I cannot believe he thinks this waffle has anything to do with poor Helen's murder, yet he brazenly whinges and whines about all his problems.

I do not believe that the symptoms of the long term illness he has are anything like as severe as he makes out. It seems to me that he has had a cushy, lazy life and uses this illness to get out of predicaments he is faced with.

I cannot wait to see what garbage he comes out with tomorrow. I hope he hangs himself.

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Cotton, you've just made me expire.

All of that dirge in one block is just too much for anyone to take.

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I know, now you're getting the full flavour. Can you imagine what the whole court was feeling this afternoon. :countsheep: :bored::bed::cuckoo:

It's like a bore holding forth at a dinner party, you just know what everyone else is silently thinking but mostly people are too polite to say anything.
 
Originally Posted by Florrie; Were you there to see some of that Tortoise. It was a chilling case.

Yes, I went along to watch. Butler played his charm on the jury in a different way. He admitted his faults and said that he wouldn't win any Blue Peter badges for popularity, having of course beaten up and put in hospital his previous girlfriend (and current partner), and in texts read to the court called his current partner, and their little daughters, every name under the sun. But he would never go that far... He portrayed himself as a lovable rogue.
 
I think what has come out of today is that his counsel are obviously advising he play the sympathy card with all his ills and frailties, being a sick man, and a bereft widower to boot who has now lost the second woman he was madly in love with.

What does come over instead is how he seems to like to boast about his achievements and his standing: "first class honours and got the course prize", “When I came back on (the group) there was a big welcome"; how he was impressed with her status: "I used to say was that I was communicating with an author"; and how he probably didn't want to socialize with her friends and family much as, as he says of her brother: “It became apparent over the years that myself and John Sinfield were very different people, he was very sophisticated smooth and suave, I was not." He also no doubt felt he would always plsyt second fiddle to the more worldly-wise John Sinfield in her affections, no matter what he did.

Are there any pix online of the judge and counsels? Would like to try and get an image of the court scene.
 
have a look at Trimmer QC's old cases

https://www.4bb.co.uk/barristers/stuart-trimmer

seems to specialise in fraud and murder/familial killing.
HIGH PROFILE SERIOUS FRAUD section has lots of big money scams, boiler room frauds.
You really need an eye for detail for those kinds of cases, which we know IS hasn't got.

Tomorrow will be fascinating as it's obvious that this slug-toad Stewart loves to talk about himself and blather on. Makes him easy pickings for someone of Trimmer's calibre.


I notice he has been involved prosecuting cases of honour killings. We have the Muhammad Mumtaz case coming in May, presumably at Cambridge Crown Court. (Wife was smothered) so I'd be interested if he made it up here.
 
Judge Andrew Bright

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Thanks Moll, I saw that when I was following updates today, there are quite a few errors in Tara's speed typing but I don't like to change secondary sources themselves really on principle.
I think it's much better for people like you to pick out relevant inaccuracies than me to start tweaking stuff and offering it up as a copy. We've had some errors in dates, weights, sums which have been spotted today.

I agree, I knew it wasn't your mistake, CW. It made me pause when I first saw it, and I checked it on the Cambridge News site. As I say, I then even wondered if he said 'my' for 'her'. but perhaps unlikely in this case.
 
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