GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #5

[DollyDiamond]

Did wonder if that was a quick lunch time re write ( the bit about Oliver and Helen hitting it off ) to counterbalance the evidence from the friend who made it clear there was no love lost there.

Ooh I hadn't thought of that, good point!

 

[Squamous]

I wonder if cremation was a family custom for the Lems.

Just remembering him saying 'that was a mistake we both made independently'.

Helen said once that she wished she had scattered JS' ashes immediately and that it had been a mistake to build up to doing so, to the extend that she ended up paralysed with indecision. I assumed this was the mistake IS was speaking of as he too hadn't managed to scatter Diane's ashes yet.

Did he also say the ashes were in the garage though? (Sodding garage). I really don't think Helen would have put JS in the garage, she had quite a deep attachment to his ashes, and to those of their dog Rufus, to the extend that she carried them around the Highgate house to bid it farewell.

 

[Milenalee]

Can I ask my Websleuth friends a couple of quick questions? Firstly, what's this BIB I keep seeing in the comments - I'm a newbie as you know and I've been puzzling over that for ages - OK, I give in!

Secondly - am I mistaken, or did IS claim today that he was accepted to Cambridge University to do a Phd? I find this hard to believe!

It's sickening to hear IS recount the well-worn, sympathy-seeking story of how his wife died tragically. It's exactly the same telling that Helen will have heard and has no doubt been exploited to the max with many, many people.

I fully believe he could have killed his late wife, and that the defence mentioning there was a potential cash claim he didn't make is a huge red herring. Her epilepsy may have been the perfect cover for murder. I hope that will be investigated in future, but as she's been cremated it could be hard to prove. The unbelievable arrogance of this man is easier to understand in the context of him having got away with murder before.

Just substitute sugar pills for her epilepsy medicine. But I kind of doubt he did. She probably did everything at home while he played with his clocks. And no big payday either, minus a life insurance policy perhaps.

I think the reason he did it on that fateful Monday, a day with no gardener or cleaner and boys home late, was because if he didn't act fast the rings would be commissioned, the wedding venue/catering paid for, and the story that he was physically incapable due to surgery recovery plus MG less valid. He had to act fast or lose 25,000£ (guessing on how much the venue would be but they had that package pricing for food, venue, drinks, so 10,000£ is probably on the low side).


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[Tortoise]

Well I suppose the big reveal today was that he didn't know Helen was dead until 15th July.

That was my impression anyway, without checking back over the reporting. So it remains to be revealed how he knows N&J did it, and how he also knows J has been dealt with.

 

[pinklilies]

HIS WORDS - pinklillies. Helen may have had a flirty chat. And exchanged photos of their homes. I do not believe Helen's intention was to 'invite' him over. IF she wished for him to do that - Helen would have got herself together in what is viewed as the best possible light.
She would, of course, write in her blog - and especially her book to dramatise a situation (part of the Editor's brief) - but I feel she was shocked at his unprepared visit.

And then they drank some wine or chosen drinks together - and he was not 'able' to drive home. (Part of an IS ploy? - apart from thinking Ka chink - when he saw Helen's Highgate property).

He IS a predator - with skills in hunkering his prey.

Fit enough to drive that night on his 'embellished suggestion of an invitation' - and yet needed a Blue Badge to park in every day life.

I believe Helen with any dramatic licence within her gift of writing compared to the 'please Jury believe me' of the IS statements spewing from a mouth of adopting speak from every aspect of Helen in his embroidery of the truth. Furious tonight xx

Joely, I assure you I didn't mean it in any derogatory or judgemental way against helen, I would feel annoyed with myself if that is how it came across. Although you're right, they are his words, I could see it in a cheeky, flirtatious way, nothing more. I've missed the part about the drinks. But the more I have read, it's quite clear he's trying to put it across as helen being the one who instigated the relationship.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Many thanks for the kind info guys, Bib had been baffling me!

Interesting that a man who claims to be so intelligent, brags about his academic achievements, getting into Cambridge etc, has no ambition to work. He looks decidedly able bodied to me (albeit out of shape), how exactly does his medical condition stop him from working with computers? A clear case of lazyarse-itus!

 

[Joely 123]

Just substitute sugar pills for her epilepsy medicine. But I kind of doubt he did. She probably did everything at home while he played with his clocks. And no big payday either, minus a life insurance policy perhaps.

I think the reason he did it on that fateful Monday, a day with no gardener or cleaner and boys home late, was because if he didn't act fast the rings would be commissioned, the wedding venue/catering paid for, and the story that he was physically incapable due to surgery recovery plus MG less valid. He had to act fast or lose 25,000£ (guessing on how much the venue would be but they had that package pricing for food, venue, drinks, so 10,000£ is probably on the low side).


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But I believe the Websleuths have knowledge of Diane's life insurance policy, and IS gained from that.
The 'fateful Monday' has a ring of truth .. although there does seem to be another trigger. He could have 'carried on' towards the wedding and the rings - halting in his devious way of his health or other methods - and also confusing Helen, undermining her confidence in every way so that she was a supplicant to him - until he was fully in control as he seems to believe now that he takes the stand of defence in Court.

 

[Alyce]

Looks like he's got it all to himself tomorrow, no befores or afters with other matters.

Do hope we get onto the Cross tomorrow at some point. Otherwise, am seriously thinking we could all apply to go on Mastermind - specialist subject - IS: The life and times of;




The Crown Court

at St Albans
Daily List for Wednesday 8 February 2017 at BRICKET ROAD ST ALBANS


Court 1 - sitting at 10:00 AM

HIS HONOUR JUDGE BRIGHT QC
Trial (Part Heard)
T20167121 STEWART Ian
41E12190616
PAPER FILE

 

[Tortoise]

I think all our court attendees must be flat out.

 

[Interested Bystander]

Many thanks for the kind info guys, Bib had been baffling me!

Interesting that a man who claims to be so intelligent, brags about his academic achievements, getting into Cambridge etc, has no ambition to work. He looks decidedly able bodied to me (albeit out of shape), how exactly does his medical condition stop him from working with computers? A clear case of lazyarse-itus!

I think he could work. Maybe a desk job without stress but he could no doubt work. I think he is lazy. Neurologists do tell their patients not to work but not working is soul destroying for most people. I think he liked being idle and fiddling about with clocks and finding a lovely, kind, rich and generous woman must have been the answer to all his prayers. Next problem though is how does he get his hands on all her money. Well the greedy parasite bodged it and I hope he spends the rest of his life inside.

 

[Tortoise]

Many thanks for the kind info guys, Bib had been baffling me!

Interesting that a man who claims to be so intelligent, brags about his academic achievements, getting into Cambridge etc, has no ambition to work. He looks decidedly able bodied to me (albeit out of shape), how exactly does his medical condition stop him from working with computers? A clear case of lazyarse-itus!

The one that had me baffled for ages was MOO.

I kept thinking it was a veiled reference to either the poster or the poster being addressed being a cow!

 

[Joely 123]

How could Helen 'read' him in the depths of despair when he foot faults some of the most clever Websleuths - and me a wise novice.
We thought - and most definitely did - think he would be collapsed in his cell, with Doctors and Pyschs rushing around him.
Case adjourned.
But - NO - here he appears large in confidence, almost handling his own Defence, as he shifts from boasting about his life, his achievements - and shifts to 'poor me' ... shifting/shifting .. just as he did with smiling and joking with Police .. to NO - I am the Victim of your stamping all over my home.
Shifting - like a child - to get his support and allegiance with his Nurses (wound treatment) and his Mental Health people - prove to the Police that I need a holiday, tell them how I am so ill.
Still crying in prison when he tells his Son, Oliver, I am a Victim.
He has spent his life in Glory or his pits (in his mind) - he is showing great signs of delusion of his power - but he cannot wriggle from madness in his killing of Helen and Boris. He knows he did it - he may not even be able to understand the whole truth of WHY he did it .. it may not only be money but I believe a sort of 'stalking' of Helen, he wished to embrace (not the right word) integrate? her within himself.
He was jealous from the start - of her life and her lifestyle - her accomplishments, her honesty which he hadn't ever had in his life.
He is a stalker mixed with Freudian complex?
He took her to Cambridge to 'walk her around' - please!! Helen had London as her home - she did not need an excursion - but he was trying to emulate John S. Just as he tried to copy her words on many occasions.

 

[Duchy]

'I've just looked, it was Duchy. Maybe she can see me in my office when she gets back.'

:scared:
:nerves:
:runaway:

 

[Tortoise]

How could Helen 'read' him in the depths of despair when he foot faults some of the most clever Websleuths - and me a wise novice.
We thought - and most definitely did - think he would be collapsed in his cell, with Doctors and Pyschs rushing around him.
Case adjourned.
But - NO - here he appears large in confidence, almost handling his own Defence, as he shifts from boasting about his life, his achievements - and shifts to 'poor me' ... shifting/shifting .. just as he did with smiling and joking with Police .. to NO - I am the Victim of your stamping all over my home.
Shifting - like a child - to get his support and allegiance with his Nurses (wound treatment) and his Mental Health people - prove to the Police that I need a holiday, tell them how I am so ill.
Still crying in prison when he tells his Son, Oliver, I am a Victim.
He has spent his life in Glory or his pits (in his mind) - he is showing great signs of delusion of his power - but he cannot wriggle from madness in his killing of Helen and Boris. He knows he did it - he may not even be able to understand the whole truth of WHY he did it .. it may not only be money but I believe a sort of 'stalking' of Helen, he wished to embrace (not the right word) integrate? her within himself.
He was jealous from the start - of her life and her lifestyle - her accomplishments, her honesty which he hadn't ever had in his life.
He is a stalker mixed with Freudian complex?
He took her to Cambridge to 'walk her around' - please!! Helen had London as her home - she did not need an excursion - but he was trying to emulate John S. Just as he tried to copy her words on many occasions.

Perfectly said Joely.

 

[Interested Bystander]

Many thanks for the kind info guys, Bib had been baffling me!

Interesting that a man who claims to be so intelligent, brags about his academic achievements, getting into Cambridge etc, has no ambition to work. He looks decidedly able bodied to me (albeit out of shape), how exactly does his medical condition stop him from working with computers? A clear case of lazyarse-itus!

Did I say Bit in Black?? That is wrong! BIB means Bit in Bold. Sorry, brain dead tonight.

 

[Tortoise]

'I've just looked, it was Duchy. Maybe she can see me in my office when she gets back.'

:scared:
:nerves:
:runaway:

ha ha ha!

 

[Squamous]

Well said Joely. I agree. I think he might even be capable of having convinced himself that he didn't do it, that he really is the wronged one here. I think he was in awe of Helen as well as all the other feelings. I come back to that first phone call where he confidently told the call handler "You couldn't abuse Helen. She'd come back at you very strongly".

 

[cottonweaver]

WHY he did it .. it may not only be money but I believe a sort of 'stalking' of Helen, he wished to embrace (not the right word) integrate? her within himself.
He was jealous from the start - of her life and her lifestyle - her accomplishments, her honesty which he hadn't ever had in his life.
He is a stalker mixed with Freudian complex?
He took her to Cambridge to 'walk her around' - please!! Helen had London as her home - she did not need an excursion - but he was trying to emulate John S. Just as he tried to copy her words on many occasions.

snipped, just to focus on that section.

This rings true to me too. Money is the driving force, facilitated by his own " madness" but there's always seemed to be a mix of secondary triggers. Covetousness beyond just her money.

There were signs on his own blogs and comments on hers that he was fond of self-aggrandisement but fell pitifully short of his own ambitions. Then we heard recently, that he did not have the social confidence to mix with any of her friends at events.
I should think he had mixed, sinister feelings when he was listening/watching her interviews between autumn - January, during the publicity drive for her book.

I also think he researched her from the outset, fishing and this is why he has always sought to reflect her style of writing and cherry-pick events which can be corroborated. I think that's also as a means to an end - to try and get a ring of truth to his claims.

He's a total manipulator and she didn't stand a chance against someone so single-mindedly twisted.

 

[Tortoise]

Well said Joely. I agree. I think he might even be capable of having convinced himself that he didn't do it, that he really is the wronged one here. I think he was in awe of Helen as well as all the other feelings. I come back to that first phone call where he confidently told the call handler "You couldn't abuse Helen. She'd come back at you very strongly".

One thing I've noticed about him is that he copes when he is in control, when he has a plan. But he doesn't have an awful lot of confidence in his plans and they quickly fall apart and need tweaking.

He seems only to be able to cope with one step at a time, so there isn't much advanced planning.

It's quite surprising to see how he developed his plan as he went along.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Just substitute sugar pills for her epilepsy medicine. But I kind of doubt he did. She probably did everything at home while he played with his clocks. And no big payday either, minus a life insurance policy perhaps.

I think the reason he did it on that fateful Monday, a day with no gardener or cleaner and boys home late, was because if he didn't act fast the rings would be commissioned, the wedding venue/catering paid for, and the story that he was physically incapable due to surgery recovery plus MG less valid. He had to act fast or lose 25,000£ (guessing on how much the venue would be but they had that package pricing for food, venue, drinks, so 10,000£ is probably on the low side).


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I think you've presented a very convincing set of reasons why he picked the Monday. Although the drugging (possibly since 2012), obviously points to massive pre planning, events on the day of the murder itself seem to me somewhat opportunist and disorganised. IMO, his ultimate mistake was dumping Helen and Boris within the family home, this exposed it as a clear case of murder, with him the prime - indeed, the only - suspect.I think too many issues were coming to a head and spurring him into action - this was brought home to me yesterday when we heard about a £14k engagement ring that would need to be paid for imminently.

Add to that Helen's talk of amending her will soon, to include people other than IS, the fact a decent 1 year interval had passed since the POA was set up in his name, plus the danger of money being put down in deposits for an expensive wedding he had no intention of going through with, and you can imagine a lot of pressures building on him to go through with the long planned and thought about murder and 'solve' all those problems.

The image that sticks in my mind is IS getting into a double bed with Helen on the Sunday night, saying goodnight to her with a kiss and the two of them snuggling down to sleep, possibly with Boris snoozing at the end of the bed. Roll on 24 hours and he's in that double bed on his own, switching off the bedside lamp to go to sleep - while Helen and Boris lay dead and cold, in revolting, toxic sludge, in a cesspit very close by.

How he can live with himself after carrying out such a wicked act of unmitigated evil - let alone plead Not Guilty and put Helen's loved ones through further torment to fight for his freedom - is beyond the comprehension of any decent person. I trust the jury will see through his act, and keep the full horror of what he did to Helen and Boris at the forefront of their minds as they consider the evidence.