GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #16

[kINGFISHER]

Makes complete sense now why the prosecution asked VT if he'd had sex with his girlfriend the night he killed JY. I bet he did. Poor TM.

So in that case it probably was her who phoned the police

 

[bees]

Sickening that he was switching between looking at articles about JY's disappearance & death and looking at *advertiser censored* involving women being strangled. Not even the magnitude of what he'd done to her could dampen his sexual appetite - in fact it appears it was quite the reverse. I hope he's never released - he's far too dangerous.

 

[Paulette]

I've always thought the reason he texted TM at her party was to make certain she was there & not coming home. We all know he wasn't bored!

 

[Luna15]

@jonkay01
Full report on the Tabak guilty verdict on BBC News at 10 - including exclusive footage of him returning to the crime-scene.

I just watched this, I think by the "crime scene" they are referring to his arrival back from his Christmas/New Year jaunt, he appeared to be directing Tanja on where to park the car in the driveway of 44.... it was strange to hear his strong accent albeit for a couple of seconds.

 

[bees]

I'm guessing that the Waitrose footage was a red herring, then!?

Maybe not - it might not have been used due to the possibility of it being someone else. However, seeing the actions of that unidentified man and knowing what we know now, I'm inclined towards thinking it might well have been him.

 

[Neurotripsy]

I just watched this, I think by the "crime scene" they are referring to his arrival back from his Christmas/New Year jaunt, he appeared to be directing Tanja on where to park the car in the driveway of 44.... it was strange to hear his strong accent albeit for a couple of seconds.

They were repeating that footage ad nauseum on the BBC reports earlier so I assumed this will be "new" footage or at least an extended version... We'll see!

 

[bees]

So in that case it probably was her who phoned the police

Yes it could have been. The only thing against that is her visiting him in prison after his arrest and believing at that time in his innocence.

 

[Neurotripsy]

Yes it could have been. The only thing against that is her visiting him in prison after his arrest and believing at that time in his innocence.

If Tanja already knew then why would VT have expressed concern over telling her what he'd done when he confessed to the prison chaplain? :waitasec:

 

[Luna15]

Maybe not - it might not have been used due to the possibility of it being someone else. However, seeing the actions of that unidentified man and knowing what we know now, I'm inclined towards thinking it might well have been him.

I dont think we will ever find out if it was him.

The first questions in the Q & A session at the hotel after the verdict (on Sky but cut to adverts)was more or less how VT managed to escape capture for so long...

IF it was him and A&S failed to recognise it on the CCTV they would be coming under a hell of a lot more scrutiny....

The main thing that makes me believe it isn't him is that I cannot believe that they would be so stupid - especially leaving it 'out there' - they know people are theorising on the internet about it.

 

[Neurotripsy]

I just watched this, I think by the "crime scene" they are referring to his arrival back from his Christmas/New Year jaunt, he appeared to be directing Tanja on where to park the car in the driveway of 44....

Yeah, it turned out to be that footage and they just repeated the same stuff they've been playing all afternoon. :maddening:

it was strange to hear his strong accent albeit for a couple of seconds.

I thought the same thing! I wish we'd been able to hear his testimony, for some reason I always find it very difficult to imagine scenarios when I haven't heard the voices of the people involved. :waitasec:

 

[kINGFISHER]

I dont think we will ever find out if it was him.

The first questions in the Q & A session at the hotel after the verdict (on Sky but cut to adverts)was more or less how VT managed to escape capture for so long...

IF it was him and A&S failed to recognise it on the CCTV they would be coming under a hell of a lot more scrutiny....

The main thing that makes me believe it isn't him is that I cannot believe that they would be so stupid - especially leaving it 'out there' - they know people are theorising on the internet about it.

You can even see his camera on his back, pre meditated, more to this case then we know . Yes and why would they risk it but cover ups do happen.
Am I still the only :maddeningne on here that can see it is him.

 

[kINGFISHER]

Yes it could have been. The only thing against that is her visiting him in prison after his arrest and believing at that time in his innocence.

Maybe it was an escort lady who was the crying person.

 

[bos]

You can even see his camera on his back, pre meditated, more to this case then we know . Yes and why would they risk it but cover ups do happen.
Am I still the only :maddeningne on here that can see it is him.

Have you got video enhancement software Kingfisher? I can only see blurry outline of a man with glasses dressed in dark clothing who is taller than Joanna; I don't think that you can say anything more than that tbh.

 

[bijoux]

I reckon the *advertiser censored* has a memory card belonging to his camera hidden somewhere in his flat, like under the floorboards. LE, please turn the place upside down.
And btw, 20 years does not seem like a very long time. Will he actually serve the whole of the sentence? Will he be put in solitary? How does all of that work in the UK, assuming you're stuck with him?

 

[edgedweller]

I reckon the *advertiser censored* has a memory card belonging to his camera hidden somewhere in his flat, like under the floorboards. LE, please turn the place upside down.
And btw, 20 years does not seem like a very long time. Will he actually serve the whole of the sentence? Will he be put in solitary? How does all of that work in the UK, assuming you're stuck with him?

20 yrs is the minimum, so yes, he should serve at least that - (well, 19yrs and a couple of months if you count the time he's been imprisoned since January) - his first chance for parole will be in 20 yrs. Doesn't mean that he'll get it. He'll have to show remorse and be considered to be no threat to the general public.

 

[Curious Alice]

You can even see his camera on his back, pre meditated, more to this case then we know . Yes and why would they risk it but cover ups do happen.
Am I still the only :maddeningne on here that can see it is him.

It looks like him to me so I can understand why you feel so strongly, but the only reason I think it probably is NOT is that this information would have been used, and if it was inadmissable it would have come out post trial like the extreme *advertiser censored* info.

 

[Luna15]

Maybe it was an escort lady who was the crying person.

there was speculation at the time that it could have been the girl whose flat he was staying in Aberdeen Road, or her sister (cant fully remember how she fitted in to it) perhaps one of the four computers he had access to were at Aberdeen Road and someone came across his browsing history?

After his arrest in January, analysts delved deep into four computers Tabak had access to and found disturbing material.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/o...ertiser censored*-searches-jury?newsfeed=true

Just thinking, if the police haven't spoken to Tanja since his arrest - would she have known about the prostitutes and internet *advertiser censored* stuff before the trial?

 

[masekwm]

I reckon the *advertiser censored* has a memory card belonging to his camera hidden somewhere in his flat, like under the floorboards. LE, please turn the place upside down.
And btw, 20 years does not seem like a very long time. Will he actually serve the whole of the sentence? Will he be put in solitary? How does all of that work in the UK, assuming you're stuck with him?

It is a minimum term of 20 years, so 20 years until he can be considered for parole.

Some then are released, some aren't.

 

[Curious Alice]

I reckon the *advertiser censored* has a memory card belonging to his camera hidden somewhere in his flat, like under the floorboards. LE, please turn the place upside down.
And btw, 20 years does not seem like a very long time. Will he actually serve the whole of the sentence? Will he be put in solitary? How does all of that work in the UK, assuming you're stuck with him?

Any memory card would probably be in the bin along with pizza box, sock, bicycle storage bag etc. It would be very dangerous to store any of his "special items" - too calculated for that. Unless a memory card forms part of any ongoing police investigation and relates to his perversions; they might have it ?

As for where he could serve his sentence, he could be sent to the Netherlands perhaps on compassionate grounds (for his family) or economic grounds (let his homeland pay for his expensive incarceration) and I understand the Dutch system would not necessarily release him automatically at 20 years.

 

[Cherwell]

And btw, 20 years does not seem like a very long time. Will he actually serve the whole of the sentence?

The sentence is not 20 years, it is life. He will be in prison for 20 years before he can even apply for parole. If parole is granted after 20 years (and it may not be) he would be released on licence only. If he so much as drops litter while out on licence he would be whisked back into prison to resume his life sentence.