GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #6

[Sweep the cat]

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/jo_yeates_murder_case_welwyn_garden_city_man_speaks_of_sister_1_776034

JY brother gives an emotional statement - I hope the link works

 

[pipkins]

Afternoon everyone

Just to point out re the Ikea delivery men - I dont think they are 'clutching at straws' but rather eliminating them from any dna/fingerprints found ? I think it shows how thorough the L/E are being

 

[otto]

A new take on the obtained C.C.T.V footage story.



http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/crim...lice-team/article-3107680-detail/article.html

That certainly sounds promising. It's possible that someone saw her walking alone and followed her slowly. Whoever did this had a vehicle. It's possible that after she arrived home, she had some time alone ... possibly while a stalker looked in the windows to be certain that she was alone. He could have then knocked on the door. Since she had contacted the friend at 8:20, she may have thought he had dropped in and simply opened the door.

It does look like there's a peephole to look through on the door ... but the guy could have said that he had a delivery. That would be a good way to get people to open their doors around Christmas.

 

[naturally suspicious]

crimewatch reconstruction of jo yeates final journey to be filmed in bristol on thursday and broadcast on 26th jan, i think....daily mail...recent headline.

 

[Deckard]

As time goes by I am more inclined to believe that Jo was killed by a stranger/stalker. Someone not in her immediate circle. If GR had knocked out the flat lights before leaving around 7pm the perp could fairly assume Jo was returning to an empty flat if he were watching her from a vehicle. By all accounts the older tenant was asleep in bed. No lights on? CJ was not in his flat when Jo arrived home. No lights on the first floor either?

Window of opportunity for the perp?

 

[otto]

Someone's managed to get a look at the plans. Otto will be interested in that report!

I am ... I got this from the article and will continue to look for more details. I think we're close with the layout. There's not author on the story ... just associated press:

"A floorplan obtained from the Land Registry shows the young couple's flat is self-contained, with its own front door on the right of the building, and has a simple layout with three main rooms off the entrance hall.

The living room looks out on the front lawn and the single bedroom at the rear has a view of the house's back garden. The small kitchen - where Miss Yeates may have cooked the pizza - opens on to the living room and has a window looking out on the path running along the right side of the house."

 

[naturally suspicious]

i think there will be new leads from crimewatch to be filmed on thurs.

you wonder why people can't remember things -as there has been a lot of publicity from this case-but no doubt the police will receive fresh leads/memories.

it nearly always happens....even with near-dead cases from ages ago...

 

[Patticake]

As time goes by I am more inclined to believe that Jo was killed by a stranger/stalker. Someone not in her immediate circle. If GR had knocked out the flat lights before leaving around 7pm the perp could fairly assume Jo was returning to an empty flat if he were watching her from a vehicle. By all accounts the older tenant was asleep in bed. No lights on? CJ was not in his flat when Jo arrived home. No lights on the first floor either?

Window of opportunity for the perp?

A stranger/stalker is surely a possibility ... but why go to the immense risk and trouble of moving the body?


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[Destroyer]

That certainly sounds promising. It's possible that someone saw her walking alone and followed her slowly. Whoever did this had a vehicle. It's possible that after she arrived home, she had some time alone ... possibly while a stalker looked in the windows to be certain that she was alone. He could have then knocked on the door. Since she had contacted the friend at 8:20, she may have thought he had dropped in and simply opened the door.

It does look like there's a peephole to look through on the door ... but the guy could have said that he had a delivery. That would be a good way to get people to open their doors around Christmas.

It all sounds good, but then how & why do you explain the dumping of the body ?? IMO the perp must of been somebody she knew or related to the building she lived in, because why else move the body ?? Whats the point in moving the body ??

The only reason her body was found where it was is either because she never got home / she went back out again after she got home / or she was murdered in the flat by somebody she knew.

A stranger would of left the body in the flat.

 

[naturally suspicious]

maybe kitchen / lounge light was on...and curtains/blind not closed...revealing to the world a young, blonde woman who appeared to be alone...drinking cider...and as you say no other visible lights in house....
tempting if you are a voyeur.....
then, a knock at the door...and entry...

 

[Destroyer]

I did read some statistics by some murder specialist in the Sun newspaper i believe a couple of weeks back & i'm sure the stat they gave for most murders of which when reporting somebody missing & is then found murdered - 90% of the time the murderer is the one who makes the phone call.

** About Crimewatch **

Do you think they will play GR's phonecall to the emergency services ?? I certainly would like to divulge that conversation.

 

[naturally suspicious]

you are right...why take the body from the house....

points to in-house exchange...

 

[Destroyer]

maybe kitchen / lounge light was on...and curtains/blind not closed...revealing to the world a young, blonde woman who appeared to be alone...drinking cider...and as you say no other visible lights in house....
tempting if you are a voyeur.....
then, a knock at the door...and entry...

No Naturally i dont think that at all .... i believe she was murdered by somebody she knew & i believe that will be conclusive when somebody is charged with her murder.

The front runners are GR / MW / CJ

 

[otto]

It all sounds good, but then how & why do you explain the dumping of the body ?? IMO the perp must of been somebody she knew or related to the building she lived in, because why else move the body ?? Whats the point in moving the body ??

The only reason her body was found where it was is either because she never got home / she went back out again after she got home / or she was murdered in the flat by somebody she knew.

A stranger would of left the body in the flat.

It's possible that she was attacked in the flat, and taken away in a vehicle ... still alive. Whoever did this may not have known if someone else was going to stop at the flat, or maybe unsure if the boyfriend was returning. A quick look around the flat would have told someone that there was a second person living there. It would really help to know if there were additional injuries, addional to the strangulation.

 

[Phillb]

then, a knock at the door...and entry...

From what I can see you don't even have to knock the door, there is an intercom, which if used would raise even less attention than knocking. Another thing I noticed about the door, is there is no handle (being an ex Joiner you tend to notice sad things like that lol) You have to open the door with your key and push it open by the looks of things. Even if she left the door unlocked, you wouldn't be able to get in from the outside, not until the Yale handle was turned from the flat side to move the lock bolt.

Unless someone had gloves on, which was quite possible considering the freezing weather, then if they pushed their way in, their dabs should be on that door somewhere. That is of course if she did get home. I wonder if it is at all possible to read anything from that intercom?

 

[Deckard]

A stranger/stalker is surely a possibility ... but why go to the immense risk and trouble of moving the body?


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Perhaps because the perp's thought processes are not the same as a 'normal' person's would be. Removing the evidence of a murder was a more pressing concern than the possibility of being caught removing the body in a dimly lit quiet street ?

 

[otto]

From what I can see you don't even have to knock the door, there is an intercom, which if used would raise even less attention than knocking. Another thing I noticed about the door, is there is no handle (being an ex Joiner you tend to notice sad things like that lol) You have to open the door with your key and push it open by the looks of things.

Unless someone had gloves on, which was quite possible considering the freezing weather, then if they pushed their way in, their dabs should be on that door. That is of course if she did get home.

Well that certainly raises the question of whether the door was locked when the boyfriend returned home. Since her keys were inside, it seems to me that the door was unlocked. Did the boyfriend simply think that Joanna was visiting someone else in the building? Why did it take 4 hours for him to react if the door was unlocked and she was gone that long? If the door was locked and her keys are inside, then whoever did this had a key ... which would really narrow the suspect list.

 

[scottybail]

The big hurdles are:

Joanna's killer is out there right now.
What is the murderer doing at the very moment you are reading this?

He's probably readng it too!

 

[Phillb]

whoever did this had a key ... which would really narrow the suspect list.

No key needed, not if she let them in voluntarily of course.

 

[otto]

Perhaps because the perp's thought processes are not the same as a 'normal' person's would be. Removing the evidence of a murder was a more pressing concern than the possibility of being caught removing the body in a dimly lit quiet street ?

I would think that if this was a stranger attack, then if she died in the flat, she would have been found in the flat. A stranger would take her from the flat if she was alive, and if he wanted time ... and was worried that someone would come to the flat. Alternatively, if the boyfriend did this, then he would take her away from the flat to buy himself time and to take police focus away from the flat as the scene of the crime ... to further complicate the investigation and take suspicion away from himself.