Does he have his arm around her?
His arm seems to be behind them maybe slightly pushing her forward ushering her in a certain way.
Does he have his arm around her?
His arm seems to be behind them maybe slightly pushing her forward ushering her in a certain way.
Unless he's got a gun (or knife) to her back she could have tried to get away. The police did say initially that she left willingly, they know more then we do. Unless of course that was under the same vein of the "AP is not a suspect" game. I just don't see a girl getting abducted here.
Maybe not but I think he used Karens caring side to get her outside, then once at the car things turned nasty. Lots of rumours swirling round online about CCTV on another premises capturing something nasty.
Sorry you had such terrifying experiences. What is wrong with these people that spike women's drinks? Your situation sounds EXACTLY as I imagine Hannah Grahams (the college student from Virginia) plight. I always suspected she had her drink dosed, accounting for her unusual behavior that night. Now I can see that in this case as well. Cannot someone invent "lids" for drinks in bars? Such a simple, lifesaving idea.Here is something about my own experience from being spiked.
Because of the way she is on cctv still pictures(I can't get it to play yet) , it is really hard to tell whether she has been spiked or what, but
I have been spiked twice....once in Glasgow on a visit and once in Aberdeen......and both times I was like a Puppy , as in follow anyone who said .....
'come with me ,you will be fine , come with me' ... in fact you could have said anything to me and it would have sounded ok...I would have followed , so I can see how it looks on cctv pics for Karen.......in that she does not look to be under duress or abducted forcefully...
The time in Glasgow I ended up in a police suicide cell in MaryHill police station...I was not coherent and the police thought I was just drunk or mentally ill!!!....I was hysterical...then blacked out, initially found near the inner city motorway....I was spiked at around 6pm in a bar.
Aberdeen, I was with a friend who luckily took me back to my hotel(thinking I was unwell)....this was also early evening...
I did not recognise my friend at all when the drug first took effect...but to my friend it seemed like I was behaving normally at first, even though I felt like I was in a bubble..just the weirdest feeling....and I just went along with her like a Puppy.....until I collapsed and again blacked out.
The Glasgow experience I was lucky , in the fact that it happened in daylight and some caring passerby's waved down the police......although I was booted out the police station the next morning ,left to make my own way back to the train station...walk through MaryHill....with a horrible , horrible dreaded hangover fear of "WTF" happened to me?? I'm glad I had been somewhere safe.
But what I am saying is that Karen could look like she was going along with this guy , it may have looked 'not under duresss' but she may have been trying to keep her head together........which is one of the Toughest ever things to try to do while being under the influence of being spiked...........B******'s
After drinking 2 drinks....then bam! all to easy to happen...I know a few Girls that this has happened to.....there are some sick people out there that want to take advantage....
Is his Left hand holding her arm maybe? Leading her along.
Thank you for the link! It's not allowing me to watch it on
my iPad or iPhone! On what method were yous able to view it ?
The vigil in Glasgow was sad tonight. So many people honoured Karen's life. I think the city of Glasgow is appalled at how a visitor has been so brutally killed. Karen should have been safe, she shouldn't have been hurt by this man. He had no right to harm her. I feel so so sad for her mam, dad and brothers. Rest in peace Karen x
Yeah I read something about that (on here, I think), any idea what the something nasty is?
The more I've learned about Karen the less I think she was involved with drugs at all. She came from a small, close knit community in Ireland, she had travelled, but she was a trained nurse and was doing a post graduate degree to be an occupational therapist. She had close friends who were also from Ireland as her flat mates and social friends, they weren't huge drinkers it seems. I just don't see her being into drugs. Not with a career in nursing and a masters that she could lose if she was ever caught. There has been speculation in the MSM that AP had known of her from previous visits to the club. I wonder if this gave her a false sense of security? But I didn't like that still photo of the CCTV, she seemed to look very defensive. Head down, arms crossed. I dunno. She just doesn't strike me as the type to go wandering off without telling her friends, intentionally, especially as they were concerned about where she was only 15 minutes after they had last seen her. That doesn't fit any kind of pattern that she would just normally disappear on nights out. Something smells off with what AP said.
Right now there is no clear evidence (that we know of that) that she was sexually assaulted. I believe she was but police have to press charges with what they have evidence for and there is plenty of evidence for them to believe he killed her. It can muddle things if the prosecution throw in some charges that can't be proved for definite. It might never be known exactly what happened but just being convicted of murder would suffice.
I think they released that he admitted having consensual sex with her to the media to freak AP out, same as their appeal for witnesses about the car on monday.
Oh they will I have every confidence in them. There have been a few cases where they've even been able to get a guilty conviction without a body.