GUILTY UK - Karen Buckley, 24, Glasgow, Scotland, 12 April 2015 - #2

[CoverMeCagney]

OMG just read this article from the DM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...its-murdered-Irish-student-Karen-Buckley.html

Well he left a fine trail of evidence didn't he, there's no way he could have pleaded anything but guilty.

I'd still like to know WHY she got in his car... and what then led him to attack her. Spurned advances?

 

[jojo87]

ugh at times like this I wish we had the American justice system where life means life!

http://www.u.tv/News/2015/08/11/Alexander-Pacteau-pleads-guilty-to-Karen-Buckley-murder-42799

He is a waste of oxygen. He'd be locked up forever in a less forgiving system as he should be.

 

[Alyce]

Sweet heaven. If he hadn't got away with that, Karen might not have died. I just can't see why the woman who said she was attacked by him wasn't believed - especially as residents heard her terrified screams. She must have been devastated when she saw his name come up in relation to Karen's case.

I find that very puzzling. Even if the jury believed that no rape occurred, surely at the very least he should have been charged with sexual assault or at least assault. It did seem to be very clear that the victim was definitely attacked by AP.
His defence of her pulling him to the ground - all 6 ft 4 inches of him - seemed totally implausible.

 

[Alyce]

OMG just read this article from the DM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...its-murdered-Irish-student-Karen-Buckley.html

Well he left a fine trail of evidence didn't he, there's no way he could have pleaded anything but guilty.

I'd still like to know WHY she got in his car... and what then led him to attack her. Spurned advances?

I think that is something we will never know. His story is that she was going home and he offered her a lift. But from everything we know, she was not the kind of person to just leave without telling her pals she had decided to go home.
His reason for attacking her also sounds completely made up.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The court heard how Pacteau had met Miss Buckley outside the club in the early hours of the morning and drove with her in his car to nearby Kelvin Way. Here are some of the things he did to unequivocally tie himself to the murder:

• Car seen on street for 12 minutes then caught on CCTV driving towards park
• Bag dumped in park bin and found by member of public
• At 8am he used his mobile phone to look up the properties of caustic soda.
• He then travelled to a B&Q store where he bought six litres of the chemical and masks and gloves, and more at Poundstretcher
• He texted his flatmate to make sure he was out for the day, then returned to the flat and left Miss Buckley's body in the bath.
• Pacteau was found cleaning the hall and stairwell when his flatmate returned home at around 8pm.
• He left his flat at around 5am the following morning and went to a bridge of the nearby Forth and Clyde Canal where he threw the spanner into the water.
• He then drove to a supermarket and bought cleaning products and asked a member of staff to recommend a product for removing blood from a mattress.
• Pacteau made his first journey to High Craigton Farm, stopping off at a supermarket on the way to buy white spirit and a lighter
• He burned some clothing while there before returning to his flat where he used his mobile phone to call a packaging company and ordered a large blue barrel.
• He then took the mattress in his car to the farmland where he burned it along with other items before returning to the flat and taking the barrel to his car.
• He stopped off to buy padlocks at an Asda store then made his way to the farm where he arranged to rent two storage units for a week before moving the barrel into one of the units, covering it with a sheet and placing a bike wheel and paper shredder on top.

Oh man. How to get caught at every step huh?! Mobile phone use, multiple shop visits, suspicious purchases, loads of CCTV. I wonder if he confessed to the spanner bit?

 

[Clio]

<rsbm>

I wonder if he confessed to the spanner bit?

Apparently so.

"Karen, 24, died in a savage attack with a spanner in Pacteau&#8217;s car after he took her down a road in Glasgow &#8217;s west end in April this year.

Pacteau, 21, today admitted murdering the nursing student from County Cork on Kelvin Way on April 12 by hitting her repeatedly on the head with the weapon and compressing her neck."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/karen-buckley-murder-alexander-pacteau-6231610

"Alexander Pacteau, 21, admitted repeatedly hitting Ms Buckley with a spanner and strangling her in his car"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...34#?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Apparently so.

"Karen, 24, died in a savage attack with a spanner in Pacteau&#8217;s car after he took her down a road in Glasgow &#8217;s west end in April this year.

Pacteau, 21, today admitted murdering the nursing student from County Cork on Kelvin Way on April 12 by hitting her repeatedly on the head with the weapon and compressing her neck."

"Alexander Pacteau, 21, admitted repeatedly hitting Ms Buckley with a spanner and strangling her in his car"

I meant the bit about throwing it in the canal really, I doubt there'd be CCTV there so either he was seen or he admitted that's what he did. So glad he has pleaded guilty.

 

[Irishguy]

This guy is one sick puppy, it appears he is a psychopath but a rather dumb psychopath and his every action was uncovered by Police. The link I provide has video of the Police interviewing Pacteau and some more pictures which make him look ever creepier than the picture that was in the media at the time of his arrest. How Karen got in a car with him is beyond belief we will never know the true story of how she ended up in this monsters car.

He killed Karen near the park and it appears she was never alive at his flat. She was Murdered on Kelvin Way. What an horrific filthy animal this guy is, he only pleaded guilty because he had no chance of getting off because the Police nailed him on everything. He should never get released considering the appalling nature of this killing and the calculated and evil attempts to cover his tracks after the Murder. What kind of time is he likely to serve, an animal like this should be put down.


http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ring-karen-buckley-murder-probe-31442608.html

 

[Irishguy]

Very informative and horrific timeline of events in this link, the fact he went to sleep with Karens body in his rooms is beyond appalling. This is one sick animal we are dealing with here. Luckily he is dumb and was nailed otherwise he could of went on to be a serial killer. Also emerged he left the club and returned and was also pacing up and down the road across the road from the club. It appears Karen was the victim of a random attack.


http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/karen-buckley-murder-what-we-know-now-31443186.html

 

[Irishguy]

OMG just read this article from the DM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...its-murdered-Irish-student-Karen-Buckley.html

Well he left a fine trail of evidence didn't he, there's no way he could have pleaded anything but guilty.

I'd still like to know WHY she got in his car... and what then led him to attack her. Spurned advances?

We may never know what happened, but Police statements and Irish media reporters are saying it was a random attack and no connection between Karen and that Animal. Reports suggest that the club Manager tipped Police off about Pacteau which meant he may have been acting odd in the past and also his pacing up and down the street across the road from the club as if he was waiting to attack any woman if he got the chance.

One Irish website posted a tweet which said that Pacteau had posed as a cab driver, how true nobody knows.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

If someone's got a few minutes, could we have a good map please? The club, her house, his house, Kelvin Way, the park. Wondering if they could have been en route to her house, if he had posed as a taxi and/or offered her a lift home?

 

[Irishguy]

If someone's got a few minutes, could we have a good map please? The club, her house, his house, Kelvin Way, the park. Wondering if they could have been en route to her house, if he had posed as a taxi and/or offered her a lift home?

The taxi driver theory has been in a few reports, the pacing up and down across the road form the club also Kelvin Way appears to be the area or street in front of the park

 

[skibaboo]

If someone's got a few minutes, could we have a good map please? The club, her house, his house, Kelvin Way, the park. Wondering if they could have been en route to her house, if he had posed as a taxi and/or offered her a lift home?

This is the map I created for the case CMC, I think it has everything you mention on there https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z9ujZkJ3xpI4.k-MpOf_zqNt0

 

[ALansby]

This guy is one sick puppy, it appears he is a psychopath but a rather dumb psychopath and his every action was uncovered by Police. The link I provide has video of the Police interviewing Pacteau and some more pictures which make him look ever creepier than the picture that was in the media at the time of his arrest. How Karen got in a car with him is beyond belief we will never know the true story of how she ended up in this monsters car.

He killed Karen near the park and it appears she was never alive at his flat. She was Murdered on Kelvin Way. What an horrific filthy animal this guy is, he only pleaded guilty because he had no chance of getting off because the Police nailed him on everything. He should never get released considering the appalling nature of this killing and the calculated and evil attempts to cover his tracks after the Murder. What kind of time is he likely to serve, an animal like this should be put down.


http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ring-karen-buckley-murder-probe-31442608.html

Has the penalty been announced, after the guilty plea?

 

[LadyL]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku

Weirdly, I was reading a thread about eyes last night, but can't remember what the condition is called when you can see the whites below the pupil.... Japanese word beginning with S. Answers on a postcard please.

 

[Alyce]

Has the penalty been announced, after the guilty plea?

Sentencing will be in September

 

[Cherwell]

We may never know what happened, but Police statements and Irish media reporters are saying it was a random attack and no connection between Karen and that Animal. Reports suggest that the club Manager tipped Police off about Pacteau which meant he may have been acting odd in the past and also his pacing up and down the street across the road from the club as if he was waiting to attack any woman if he got the chance.

One Irish website posted a tweet which said that Pacteau had posed as a cab driver, how true nobody knows.

Still doesn't explain why she left the club. If she had decided to go home, why wouldn't she have told her friends?

 

[Irishguy]

Det Supt Jim Kerr spoke to the media today it was broadcast on Irish TV. He said that the investigation didnt uncover any evidence to suggest that Karen and Pacteau ever met before or even spoke. He said Karen could have been any woman that night and it was a random killing, it seems that Pacteau was searching for any woman to kill.

 

[alreetlike]

The court heard how Pacteau had met Miss Buckley outside the club in the early hours of the morning and drove with her in his car to nearby Kelvin Way. Here are some of the things he did to unequivocally tie himself to the murder:

• Car seen on street for 12 minutes then caught on CCTV driving towards park
• Bag dumped in park bin and found by member of public
• At 8am he used his mobile phone to look up the properties of caustic soda.
• He then travelled to a B&Q store where he bought six litres of the chemical and masks and gloves, and more at Poundstretcher
• He texted his flatmate to make sure he was out for the day, then returned to the flat and left Miss Buckley's body in the bath.
• Pacteau was found cleaning the hall and stairwell when his flatmate returned home at around 8pm.
• He left his flat at around 5am the following morning and went to a bridge of the nearby Forth and Clyde Canal where he threw the spanner into the water.
• He then drove to a supermarket and bought cleaning products and asked a member of staff to recommend a product for removing blood from a mattress.
• Pacteau made his first journey to High Craigton Farm, stopping off at a supermarket on the way to buy white spirit and a lighter
• He burned some clothing while there before returning to his flat where he used his mobile phone to call a packaging company and ordered a large blue barrel.
• He then took the mattress in his car to the farmland where he burned it along with other items before returning to the flat and taking the barrel to his car.
• He stopped off to buy padlocks at an Asda store then made his way to the farm where he arranged to rent two storage units for a week before moving the barrel into one of the units, covering it with a sheet and placing a bike wheel and paper shredder on top.

Oh man. How to get caught at every step huh?! Mobile phone use, multiple shop visits, suspicious purchases, loads of CCTV. I wonder if he confessed to the spanner bit?

Thanks for the summary. It sounds like he should've confessed to being a complete spanner, never mind using one.

 

[still-searching]

What kind of time is he likely to serve, an animal like this should be put down.

RSBM

I did some searching to see what sort of sentences get handed out to murderers in Scotland.

Peter Tobin was given a minimum of 21 years for the rape and murder of Angelika Kluk in Glasgow in 2006 (This was later upgraded to a whole life tarrif - no chance for parole, after this discovery of two more bodies in his back garden).

Angus Sinclair was given a minimum of 37 years for the double murder of Christine Eadie and Helen Scott. They were murdered in 1977 but he was convicted and sentenced in 2014.

Both of those men were a lot older than Pacteau when sentenced, I don't know if that is taken into consideration, since both their sentences are likely to take them to the end of their lives, whereas in 21 years Pacteau will only be in his 40s.