UK LE request permission to interview 3 suspected burglars!?!

[ScarlettScarpetta]

All of this has come out of a letter being sent.

UK police did not release details!!!!!

[modsnip]

Just like Black Tractor man ONLY 2 MONTHS AGO.

This is a sleuthing site - follow the evidence.

The police have told the 3 [modsnip] via the papers that they're coming to get them? Please! That's ridiculous! And plain Wrong!

The official spokesman said nothing about any arrests or suspects or burglars...that is all spin.

What is wrong about it? They sent a letter requesting interviews. I don't see anything wrong here. I see it as progress.

 

[brit1981]

What is wrong about it? They sent a letter requesting interviews. I don't see anything wrong here. I see it as progress.

Exactly, the UK police want to interview people currently residing in Portugal. That is progress. Yes the media have hyped it up, but looking at the agitation on forums like this you can see why the media know that anything with madeleine's name will get attention. If people disagree with the media doing this then they should not read it for the simple fact that the fewer clicks a theme receives the fewer column inches will be devoted to it.

This is a link to a news report stating how Scotland yard concluded tanner had seen a man carrying a child, but he was innocent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23179230

The above is a BBC report on the opening of a formal Scotland yard investigation. About eight paragraphs from the end it states that parents are not suspects. This was taken from a live press statement by Andy redwood which was on national TV. He is very clear when he says neither they or those known to Madeleine are suspects.

http://news.sky.com/story/1154564/madeleine-mccann-appeal-parents-delighted

This is a sky report on the crime watch appeal which details that tanner did see a man carrying a child when she said she did, he was innocent however. Again this was announced on national TV, and can be found on YouTube.

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/maddie-madeleine-mccann-rogerio-alves-tvi24/1502871-4071.html

This is in Portuguese but is about the reopening of the portuguese case and about three paragraphs down states parents not suspects. Final report in 2008 also stated the McCann's were no longer suspects as there was no evidence they had committed any crime.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I don't know how to link on my tablet.

 

[Little Jedi]

Not true. SY investigates Maddie's kidnapping, SY can issue European Arrest Warrant. Portugal LE can refuse to surender the person in question if that person is being prosecuted for the same act there. But there is nothing that prevents SY from issuing EAW.

European Arrest Warrant

The European Arrest Warrant was adopted by the Council of the European Union on 13 June 2002 and has replaced formal extradition practice within the EU.

http://www.asser.nl/default.aspx?about=8

 

[brit1981]

European Arrest Warrant

The European Arrest Warrant was adopted by the Council of the European Union on 13 June 2002 and has replaced formal extradition practice within the EU.

http://www.asser.nl/default.aspx?about=8

As far as I am aware the UK cannot prosecute someone who is in Portugal for a crime committed in Portugal regardless of whether they ate investigating or not, therefore they cannot extradite someone and cannot use the EAW. Besides in the UK the police do not prosecute, the crown prosecution does so they would be the ones issuing an EAW if applicable not the police. Letters of request are sent to allow information to be gathered and for potential arrests. But I am certain the arrests would have to be made by the Portuguese not Scotland yard.

 

[Little Jedi]

What is wrong about it? They sent a letter requesting interviews. I don't see anything wrong here. I see it as progress.

"A spokesman for Madeleine's parents told the Daily Mirror that police were ready to arrest and interview "key suspects".

Scotland Yard confirmed that it had sent an international letter of request to the Portuguese authorities but would not elaborate on its contents."

The Guardian makes it quite clear who this UNNAMED UNOFFICIAL source is !!

SY hasn't mentioned anything about burglars, phone calls or arrests !!

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...rests-portugal

 

[Little Jedi]

As far as I am aware the UK cannot prosecute someone who is in Portugal for a crime committed in Portugal regardless of whether they ate investigating or not, therefore they cannot extradite someone and cannot use the EAW. Besides in the UK the police do not prosecute, the crown prosecution does so.

BBM Exactly !!
Therefore obviously SY are NOT going to Portugal with plans to arrest anyone.
(In regards to this topic.)

 

[brit1981]

Here are some links to other break in in the algarve

Here a family found men trying to open shutters, and had been robbed on previous stay as they slept.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTo..._Algarve-Vilamoura_Faro_District_Algarve.html

Here someone thinks burglars opened window day before
http://portugalresident.com/stopping-the-burglars

This was a home invasion involving a seventy seven year old lady and her eighty year old husband, both swiss. Both were beaten, and the lady was sexually assaulted.http://portugalresident.com/swiss-couple-violently-assaulted-at-home

This one is about a home invasion that resulted in an eighty three year old woman having a rag covered in ether pressed against her face after she tried to fight back. She died. There is also a description of a second violent robbery.
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/gang-mata-e-fere-idosos-em-roubos

This one is about violent break ins in early 2007 ( the others occurred after this date, )

http://portugalresident.com/violent-attacks-in-east-algarve 

There is an article about five Romanian men being arrested for the 2007 crimes in that February, but no follow up about them being prosecuted so it does not appear they were, and violent break ins continue to occur even now in the area.

 

[brit1981]

BBM Exactly !!
Therefore obviously SY are NOT going to Portugal with plans to arrest anyone.
(In regards to this topic.)

Actually we have all made a slight error, Scotland yard have not sent the letter, the crown prosecution service have according to the mirrir article which the others are based on. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-make-first-3016414

If we read what the spokesman has said, he refers to the police being able to eliminate the burglars from the inquiry as well. So its not a case of a spokesman saying these men did it, its a case of the spokesman saying that the letter could allow them to be arrested and/or eliminated if need be.

 

[SeaEclipse]

As far as I am aware the UK cannot prosecute someone who is in Portugal for a crime committed in Portugal regardless of whether they ate investigating or not, therefore they cannot extradite someone and cannot use the EAW.

This is not true. The UK could prosecute MM's kidnappers/killers on the grounds that the victim is British. Jurisdiction based on the nationality of the victim is often referred to as the "passive personality principle". There is no question that the UK could issue a EAW for a suspect in MM's kidnapping/death (assuming arguendo that there was such a suspect and that CPS was ready to prosecute).

Now, Portugal also has jurisdiction over the crime based on the (normal/usual) "territorial principle" of jurisdiction (exactly what it sounds like -- jurisdiction based on the location of the crime) and could, as a result, certainly decline to extradite and try the suspects itself... But, in terms of international and domestic law, the UK definitely does have jurisdiction over this offense. (It is also worth noting that Portugese domestic law prohibits the extradition of nationals except to face certain offenses -- e.g., charges of terrorism -- so, if the suspect is Portugese, they would also decline extradition on that basis.)

 

[gord]

Still see the British press is leading everyone in a merry game. Thought you would have learned by now !! Clue if it is in print it is probably wrong in the tabloids definitely !! . 7 years now. Doubt we are going to see anything soon . Sadly I think maddie is deceased. By whom ? Who knows still a mystery. Persons unknown me thinks.

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[~n/t~]

Here are some links to other break in in the algarve

Here a family found men trying to open shutters, and had been robbed on previous stay as they slept.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTo..._Algarve-Vilamoura_Faro_District_Algarve.html

Here someone thinks burglars opened window day before
http://portugalresident.com/stopping-the-burglars

This was a home invasion involving a seventy seven year old lady and her eighty year old husband, both swiss. Both were beaten, and the lady was sexually assaulted.http://portugalresident.com/swiss-couple-violently-assaulted-at-home

This one is about a home invasion that resulted in an eighty three year old woman having a rag covered in ether pressed against her face after she tried to fight back. She died. There is also a description of a second violent robbery.
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/gang-mata-e-fere-idosos-em-roubos

This one is about violent break ins in early 2007 ( the others occurred after this date, )

http://portugalresident.com/violent-attacks-in-east-algarve 

There is an article about five Romanian men being arrested for the 2007 crimes in that February, but no follow up about them being prosecuted so it does not appear they were, and violent break ins continue to occur even now in the area.

Thanks for posting these. I find it interesting that the first one was there years earlier and got robbed and yet they return to the same place.

Why the McCanns and friends thought it was safe to leave their children unattended is mind boggling regardless of what country you vacation.

 

[brit1981]

Thanks for posting these. I find it interesting that the first one was there years earlier and got robbed and yet they return to the same place.

Why the McCanns and friends thought it was safe to leave their children unattended is mind boggling regardless of what country you vacation.

One of the friends had holidayed at a mark warner resort the previous year and had utilized the listening service there ( where parents leave children, and every half an hour a nanny listens outside door to check children are still sleeping). Pdl did not have this service since the resort was dotted around the village so it would take too long for a nanny to do the rounds, but the friends suggested they make their own service and everyone agreed. I don't agree with what they did, but its not unusual and I can see how people got swept up into complacency and just assumed that nothing would happen if they were just fifty meters away. Its stupid though, but they will suffer for it for ever now.

 

[~n/t~]

One of the friends had holidayed at a mark warner resort the previous year and had utilized the listening service there ( where parents leave children, and every half an hour a nanny listens outside door to check children are still sleeping). Pdl did not have this service since the resort was dotted around the village so it would take too long for a nanny to do the rounds, but the friends suggested they make their own service and everyone agreed. I don't agree with what they did, but its not unusual and I can see how people got swept up into complacency and just assumed that nothing would happen if they were just fifty meters away. Its stupid though, but they will suffer for it for ever now.

They had an even better service available to them but they didn't use it. The nighttime crèche.

I don't believe 3 burglars took Madeleine and nothing else. It makes no sense.

 

[brit1981]

They had an even better service available to them but they didn't use it. The nighttime crèche.

I don't believe 3 burglars took Madeleine and nothing else. It makes no sense.

I know they should have used the creche, but they thought that they were asleep and checking on them was enough, and did not want to wake them by having to pick them up from the night creche. It was stupid, but they can't go back in time.

As for the burglars, who knows, have the media got it wrong, were these people primarily interested in a child rather than cameras etc. Did madeleine wake up, get hurt by them as she tried to run away and they panicked took her with them to hide the crime and all thoughts of stealing anything else went out of their head? [modsnip]

 

[~n/t~]

I know they should have used the creche, but they thought that they were asleep and checking on them was enough, and did not want to wake them by having to pick them up from the night creche. It was stupid, but they can't go back in time.

As for the burglars, who knows, have the media got it wrong, were these people primarily interested in a child rather than cameras etc. Did madeleine wake up, get hurt by them as she tried to run away and they panicked took her with them to hide the crime and all thoughts of stealing anything else went out of their head? [modsnip].

No child was taken in 2006.

Let's think about this and theorize. If 3 men were interested in a little girl, they would be labelled pedophiles by LE and not burglars.

If we take your scenario about Madeleine waking, if there were 3, it would only take one to subdue the child by covering their mouth or taping it or use another method. They would take whatever it was they wanted and left her there. Why risk kidnapping a child which would result in an even more serious crime than robbery.

The story just doesn't add up any which way I look at it. If it was a pedophile, I would consider the story plausible.

 

[~n/t~]

Another reason I don't believe the story is Madeleine's siblings were fast asleep. If Madeleine heard something and screamed, surely the twins would have woken but they did not. As a matter of fact they slept through the entire ordeal even with the chaos when Kate found Madeleine missing and people including the police were in the apartment.

 

[brit1981]

No one knows what happened, or what was going through the minds of those that took her. [modsnip] Perhaps they were burglars and Madeleine woke up and tried to run away and whilst trying to subdue her she was seriously hurt, an adult putting their hands over a child's mouth could be fatal. [modsnip]. The sudden enormity of having a dead child in their hands would have put stealing into insignificance, so they took her with them to hide the crime and did not take the time to carry on robbing the flat.

But police have not said what the letters of international request are, it might not be anything to do with the burglars.

 

[Little Jedi]

Maybe they took the Blue Bag ??

 

[Little Jedi]

[modsnip}

^^^THIS^^^

"A spokesman for Madeleine's parents told the Daily Mirror that police were ready to arrest and interview "key suspects"

Why would he keep releasing information on the investigation ??


Unless ........
Someone would want to 'sabotage' any co-operation between SY & PJ !!!

Interesting theory ?

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/more-on-munchin-mitchell.html