Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher - Emerson Valley - Milton Keynes - #7

[Kinners_D]

Just my opinion but I think questioning about the smell or lack of is a valid point of discussion. In other cases where individuals have been found dead 3+ years down the line, neighbours have usually noted a bad smell in the vicinity.

I think the waters are being muddied by the timescales involved. Also the year of lockdown where people weren't around to notice a smell, if there were one.

I think questioning the smell or lack of is fine, but throwing suspicion on any and all people who may have entered the house is a bit far.

 

[jackal67]

Just my opinion but I think questioning about the smell or lack of is a valid point of discussion. In other cases where individuals have been found dead 3+ years down the line, neighbours have usually noted a bad smell in the vicinity.

Exactly. Even when bodies have been discovered outside a bad smell has been detected

 

[Kinners_D]

Exactly. Even when bodies have been discovered outside a bad smell has been detected

Ok, so what is your theory on why no one reported the smell?

 

[Mollie123]

What's everyones opinion on the owners not responding to the police leaflet?

 

[bringmeacupoft]

What's everyones opinion on the owners not responding to the police leaflet?

They were by all accounts not there to respond to the leaflet……….

 

[Jaesu]

I think the waters are being muddied by the timescales involved. Also the year of lockdown where people weren't around to notice a smell, if there were one.

I think questioning the smell or lack of is fine, but throwing suspicion on any and all people who may have entered the house is a bit far.

I'd argue lockdown would have made it more obvious for the next door neighbours, as well most of us were stuck at home, even key workers when having an off day.
Which means if no bad smell, NM must have containerised her and depending on how that was done would probably suggest her POD could have been elsewhere.

 

[Kinners_D]

I'd argue lockdown would have made it more obvious for the next door neighbours, as well most of us were stuck at home, even key workers when having an off day.
Which means if no bad smell, NM must have containerised her and depending on how that was done would probably suggest her POD could have been elsewhere.

I see what you mean. But if the neighbours didn't open windows, stayed indoors then they'd not be exposed to the smell as much.

My point would be that there are less people round, no school kids walking by, neighbours not coming/going to work, no posties... thats a lot less potential exposure to witnesses.

I can see her being abducted elsewhere on her route to work... kind of anyway, still not sold on it. But who, why and where was she kept? And why bring her to this house later to be stored? Especially in such a haphazard way, leaving her belongings out in the loft??

 

[Dakock420]

Yes police are people too but so are Colin Stagg, Bobby George, Chris Jefferies etc who were pretty much fitted up by police for crimes they never committed because they looked weird, none of them had anything to do with the brutal murders they were fitted up for

Also in MK itself before, with Barri White & Keith Hyatt.

 

[Angel_nix]

What's everyones opinion on the owners not responding to the police leaflet?

As far as I am aware, it was a general "missing, have you seen Leah" leaflet, rather than a specific "please contact us as soon as possible, regardless of if you know anything, we want to speak with you" I suspect that hundreds of homes received these leaflets. If the owner doesn't know anything, no need to contact Police I really wouldn't read too much into it.

 

[jackal67]

I think the waters are being muddied by the timescales involved. Also the year of lockdown where people weren't around to notice a smell, if there were one.

I think questioning the smell or lack of is fine, but throwing suspicion on any and all people who may have entered the house is a bit far.

So ok smell aside. The body is in a sealed container. If we accept that others have been in the house for various reasons since and not noticed a problem . Until NM has been proved to be responsible. It is surely right that any others who have been at the property since are investigated / interviewed/ ruled out. As far as I am aware there is no proof of when the body was put in the loft and how long it has been there. Hopefully this is all in progress now.

 

[Kinners_D]

So ok smell aside. The body is in a sealed container. If we accept that others have been in the house for various reasons since and not noticed a problem . Until NM has been proved to be responsible. It is surely right that any others who have been at the property since are investigated / interviewed/ ruled out. As far as I am aware there is no proof of when the body was put in the loft and how long it has been there. Hopefully this is all in progress now.

You're suggesting everyone who has been in the property between Feb 2019 and Monday just gone should be under suspicion?

The police have named NM as their prime and sole suspect. In police speak this means all other possibilities have been ruled out.

 

[jackal67]

Ok, so what is your theory on why no one reported the smell?

I don't have a theory as such. Like you say if a sealed container was used then that would contain the smell I guess. I just wonder why the people on Monday noticed something serious enough to call the police immediately when others have been in the house and noticed nothing?

 

[LammyTheRobot]

As I said, could be for international channels not available on standard services in the UK.

Wires could be capped, pushed through, and a receiver installed later.

Again I'm not sure this is something that needs to be pondered on too hard, there are many simple explanations for this.

EtA - if you look at the orientation of the satelites/receivers they point to significantly different places, which suggests they are servicing different providers.

I respectfully disagree; it’s well worth pondering what accesses and works were done on 2 Loxbeare Drive since NM’s death. Very well worth it.

 

[Kinners_D]

I don't have a theory as such. Like you say if a sealed container was used then that would contain the smell I guess. I just wonder why the people on Monday noticed something serious enough to call the police immediately when others have been in the house and noticed nothing?

As I said before, we have no idea what they were going into the loft for, it could be entirely unrelated to the body, they go into the loft and see something that noone else has been in a position to see?

 

[BrianJohnson]

You're suggesting everyone who has been in the property between Feb 2019 and Monday just gone should be under suspicion?

The police have named NM as their prime and sole suspect. In police speak this means all other possibilities have been ruled out.

They absolutely should be under suspicion/questioned as to what they know/finger print and DNA samples taken etc yes, 100%

Or police should release the hard evidence they have against NM, not like he can be arrested etc so why not release the proof they have?

Having access to a key is not evidence enough imho

 

[Kinners_D]

They absolutely should be under suspicion/questioned as to what they know/finger print and DNA samples taken etc yes, 100%

Or police should release the hard evidence they have against NM, not like he can be arrested etc so why not release the proof they have?

Having access to a key is not evidence enough imho

From a logical standpoint it is easy to assume they have more than just the key information... they will release more in time but they are under no obligation to, especially while the investigation is ongoing.

 

[truthistheresomewher]

I agree but reportedly they have not visited since 2019 so seems odd to install it and then not use it. Also the question again of workmen with keys entering the property again.

Honestly not odd at all. The houses by me in this same scenario I’d say 90% if not more have 2 satellite dishes, a uk one and one to pick up their tv from home. 70% if not more have full air con installed. And around the same amount have their garages (some double, some single) converted in to a socialising and/or living space.
Most of these homes are used once or twice a year.

 

[Miss_French]

They absolutely should be under suspicion/questioned as to what they know/finger print and DNA samples taken etc yes, 100%

Or police should release the hard evidence they have against NM, not like he can be arrested etc so why not release the proof they have?

Having access to a key is not evidence enough imho

Being questioned about what they know isn't grounds to take DNA or fingerprints. If Leah's belongings weren't touched the police don't even need to do the latter for elimination as they'll have NM's.

 

[LammyTheRobot]

100% - there of course is variation in opinions here but it is absolutely a legit line of thought.

 

[LammyTheRobot]

You're suggesting everyone who has been in the property between Feb 2019 and Monday just gone should be under suspicion?

The police have named NM as their prime and sole suspect. In police speak this means all other possibilities have been ruled out.

Yes they should. They’re visitors to a very particular, and private, possible murder scene.