Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #5 *ARREST*

[Sera]

I can’t stop questioning P’s wife’s level of awareness that something untoward was going on with her husband. On a basic, practical level, they are working in a food factory, and have two young children. They are likely on minimum wage and living in modestly sized terrace house. P is alleged to have stolen a Kindle, a Playstation, a speaker, laptop, money... aside from the underwear, photograph (of who?!), condoms (why?!) and sex toys. Assuming that the non sexual items were taken for monetary value then he probably brought them home, maybe advertised them on Gumtree or sold through word of mouth. But no matter what way he went about it, it’s very likely that Mrs P would have at some point wondered where all the money/ expensive items were coming from. Also. How stupid/ brazen does he have to be to steal in his OWN street. Adrenaline junkie.

This bugs me too. Unless he's got somewhere else that he stashed the stuff he stole then how on earth she never noticed any of it in their own house, I do not know. I feel sorry for the wife and don't really want to suggest she knew what was going on - but maybe if money was tight then she had an inkling about the stealing but turned a blind eye, but I'm pretty sure if she knew about the sexual stuff then she wouldn't have been as okay about it. It's a bit of a confusing one for me, I don't think it's as simple as she either knew everything or knew nothing, but surely you wouldn't marry someone or stay with them if you knew they were going out at night and publicly whipping their junk out in the streets.

 

[PeachUK]

She may have been told that would be a typical cost.

She also said she wants to come to England to see PR but can’t afford the air fare. Maybe she’s after a go fund me to raise 2k??

 

[flowerpot]

They were able to ask him anything once he was under arrest. They arrested him on suspicion of abduction but at the time had no evidence of that. It was the flashing that alerted them. They obviously had no evidence of connection with disappearance as they don’t appear to have any now as he is remanded on the other charges not on anything connected with LS.

I thought the Haworth Street cctv from the electrical company was why PR was arrested on suspicion of abduction. The police had had the cctv since the Sunday, MSM agreed with the police not post it until later and they then did. Whilst it’s not clear, I would assume (wrongly maybe) that the police have the means to scrub up cctv to see if that is a person (I think it is) getting into the car with the driver at around exactly the same time as Libby is thought to be in the area. I hope that my view and that of others here isn’t wrong as that means her abducter is still out there but if I’m wrong, then I’m wrong

 

[Joolz1975]

She also said she wants to come to England to see PR but can’t afford the air fare. Maybe she’s after a go fund me to raise 2k??

Haha that was my first thought.

 

[Chester]

She also said she wants to come to England to see PR but can’t afford the air fare. Maybe she’s after a go fund me to raise 2k??

Please can people GTF with the go fund me crap.

That should be made illegal, not for her but for everyone.

 

[Joolz1975]

I thought the Haworth Street cctv from the electrical company was why PR was arrested on suspicion of abduction. The police had had the cctv since the Sunday, MSM agreed with the police not post it until later and they then did. Whilst it’s not clear, I would assume (wrongly maybe) that the police have the means to scrub up cctv to see if that is a person (I think it is) getting into the car with the driver at around exactly the same time as Libby is thought to be in the area. I hope that my view and that of others here isn’t wrong as that means her abducter is still out there but if I’m wrong, then I’m wrong

That's my gut instinct too.

I think they had the footage from the Sunday, identified him pretty quick from that and other footage.

Had him under surveillance and saw he was visiting oak road on the regular.

Decided to arrest late Wednesday night and seized the car.

He's maybe said he gave her a lift home and nothing more and they can't prove otherwise...yet.

 

[sundaaaay]

I think you're right and people are over complicating it. My theory is he went to the shop for cigarettes or tobacco. Sees Libby on the bench, potentially talking to the man with the grey hair and beard. Goes back to his car to smoke a cigarette and thinks about what to do. It gets a bit quieter so he walks back to the bench and asks Libby if she wants a lift home. He could potentially even use 'creepy' beard guy as a reason not be be sat around here! He takes her back to the car as seen on CCTV. They drive up to the park and trail goes cold from a CCTV perspective hence the focus on the area. my theory is she end up in the river either pushed or running away from him. Police are then combing the whole of the park looking for any evidence Libby was there or came to harm.
Personally I feel like it's a huge jump from peeping Tom to murderer. I think she's fell into the river trying to run away after realised he wasn't quite what he made out.

I agree that (if the screams were LS) she was trying to get away from him, but I wouldn't underestimate this guys ability to inflict harm. This guy has been fantasising about the university girls on the streets by robbing their intimate items and masturbating in front of them. He must obsessively fantasise about them. Its pretty gutsy to go into their houses, to do that he must sit and watch them leave their homes, so this guy is not afraid of taking risks. When he spotted LS on the bench he had the perfect person to fulfil whatever sexual fantasy he's been dreaming of, who was drunk and needy, and if she released a blood curdling scream to alert people, he could have knocked her out stone cold.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

This bugs me too. Unless he's got somewhere else that he stashed the stuff he stole then how on earth she never noticed any of it in their own house, I do not know. I feel sorry for the wife and don't really want to suggest she knew what was going on - but maybe if money was tight then she had an inkling about the stealing but turned a blind eye, but I'm pretty sure if she knew about the sexual stuff then she wouldn't have been as okay about it. It's a bit of a confusing one for me, I don't think it's as simple as she either knew everything or knew nothing, but surely you wouldn't marry someone or stay with them if you knew they were going out at night and publicly whipping their junk out in the streets.

Judging by the amount of evidence retrieved from the house and the fact that charges have been made, I think he must have been keeping the stolen items in their house, although I suppose it’s possible he kept them in an attic or some part of the accommodation his wife didn’t access. I feel so sorry for the kids too and for her (based on what we know) I can’t imagine trying to hold it all together for your kids at a time like this.

 

[Joolz1975]

Please can people GTF with the go fund me crap.

That should be made illegal, not for her but for everyone.

Haha yes!!

That and dry January...I'm not sponsoring someone to give their liver a break for a month!!

I do give to charity anyway though but don't get this sponsoring for not drinking or growing a beard or whatever.

 

[PeachUK]

He was also said to be silent with no male friends - but there were always women in his life. On a photo of his new son he said he didn’t need anyone else except his family
https://vaaju.com/uk/libby-squire-l...e-students-disappearance-as-a-car-is-dragged/

 

[cluciano63]

If they have him with Libby on tape...that may have been enough for extensions while they searched for her, but in the end not enough to charge him? If they had hoped to link her, with him, when found?

 

[flowerpot]

That's my gut instinct too.

I think they had the footage from the Sunday, identified him pretty quick from that and other footage.

Had him under surveillance and saw he was visiting oak road on the regular.

Decided to arrest late Wednesday night and seized the car.

He's maybe said he gave her a lift home and nothing more and they can't prove otherwise...yet.

Thanks. I was sure I’d read that in the article that it was the Sunday!

He would the perfect excuse to keep going back to the playing fields though wouldn’t he...just walking my dog officer!

 

[Chester]

That's my gut instinct too.

I think they had the footage from the Sunday, identified him pretty quick from that and other footage.

Had him under surveillance and saw he was visiting oak road on the regular.

Decided to arrest late Wednesday night and seized the car.

He's maybe said he gave her a lift home and nothing more and they can't prove otherwise...yet.

I think they should have released him and put him under surveillance.

If he has anything to do with this, letting him sit in a cell isn't going to help.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

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I feel so sorry for the kids too and for her (based on what we know) I can’t imagine trying to hold it all together for your kids at a time like this.

Luckily their children are young, too young to really know what's going on or query whatever explanation they've been given for moving out of their home and daddy being away.

 

[Joolz1975]

I agree that (if the screams were LS) she was trying to get away from him, but I wouldn't underestimate this guys ability to inflict harm. This guy has been fantasising about the university girls on the streets by robbing their intimate items and masturbating in front of them. He must obsessively fantasise about them. Its pretty gutsy to go into their houses, to do that he must sit and watch them leave their homes, so this guy is not afraid of taking risks. When he spotted LS on the bench he had the perfect person to fulfil whatever sexual fantasy he's been dreaming of, who was drunk and needy, and if she released a blood curdling scream to alert people, he could have knocked her out stone cold.

Hate to say I totally agree.

Escalation of behaviour, we don't know what else he may have done either.

Watched a crime doc earlier (Collette Aram) and her murderer escalated from spying on girls to eventually rape and murder.

I truly believe sex offenders behaviour escalates.

What might be a thrill at the start...flashing etc would in time become not so exciting I'd have thought and the behaviour would escalate to more dangerous activities.

 

[Griffinlay]

Yes, good point. How DID they keep getting extensions? They're generally only granted for really serious crimes like murder, not sure the any of his current charges would qualify.

No magistrate would turn the application down while LS was still missing

 

[Chester]

No magistrate would turn the application down while LS was still missing

Kinda hope they would if they had no grounds for arrest, but I know what you mean.

 

[Joolz1975]

I think they should have released him and put him under surveillance.

If he has anything to do with this, letting him sit in a cell isn't going to help.

Inclined to agree but can they risk him giving them the slip and doing anything else??

Christopher Halliwell was under surveillance for days before they arrested him. He was burning evidence and allsorts. Mind you they hadn't arrested him previously so he probably wasn't wary that he was been followed.

 

[flowerpot]

I agree that (if the screams were LS) she was trying to get away from him, but I wouldn't underestimate this guys ability to inflict harm. This guy has been fantasising about the university girls on the streets by robbing their intimate items and masturbating in front of them. He must obsessively fantasise about them. Its pretty gutsy to go into their houses, to do that he must sit and watch them leave their homes, so this guy is not afraid of taking risks. When he spotted LS on the bench he had the perfect person to fulfil whatever sexual fantasy he's been dreaming of, who was drunk and needy, and if she released a blood curdling scream to alert people, he could have knocked her out stone cold.

I agree. Then I wonder if I’m over-estimating him! I can see what you’re saying and I’ve thought that before. Voyeurism can also be enjoying seeing others in distress/pain...poor Libby was right up his street that night then - quite literally! I can’t bring myself to imagine his ‘fantasy’ but it must have been sick/twisted which is why I think at least some of those screams heard were true

 

[Chester]

Inclined to agree but can they risk him giving them the slip and doing anything else??

Christopher Halliwell was under surveillance for days before they arrested him. He was burning evidence and allsorts. Mind you they hadn't arrested him previously so he probably wasn't wary that he was been followed.

It's complex.

He would have probably been a bigger headache if he had been released.

Just think he's unlikely to screw up if he is inside.