Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #8 *ARREST*

[Quintet]

But if he did put her postcode in his sat nav and it was a phone it possibly would have been on until he reached the park.

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

I don't even think that CCTV had anything to do with Libby anymore. Surely if it was the police would have said something about it? And they even said they didn't think it was him.

Ah. I missed where they've said they didnt think it was him. I would have thought as with others who've come forward, it would have been reported as discounted

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I don't even think that CCTV had anything to do with Libby anymore. Surely if it was the police would have said something about it? And they even said they didn't think it was him.

On the contrary, the fact that the police allowed it to be distributed is very telling. I doubt they'd let an entirely innocent person to be subject to scrutiny like that, and if they genuinely don't know who it is they would have appealed for information. And they definitely did NOT say it wasn't him unless you have seen otherwise (source please)

My conclusion from that is that it is indeed PR and that he most likely already confirmed that to police. The issue is not whether he gave Libby a lift in his car. His sister suggests they already know about that part. It's determining whether he actually dropped her home or took her elsewhere.

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

On the contrary, the fact that the police allowed it to be distributed is very telling. I doubt they'd let an entirely innocent person to be subject to scrutiny like that, and if they genuinely don't know who it is they would have appealed for information. And they definitely did NOT say it wasn't him unless you have seen otherwise (source please)

My conclusion from that is that it is indeed PR and that he most likely already confirmed that to police. The issue is not whether he gave Libby a lift in his car. His sister suggests they already know about that part. It's determining whether he actually dropped her home or took her elsewhere.

Ive definately not seen anything about it not being him and since the park has been the main focus I wondered if there was a route through the park to somewhere she could be passed on / hidden until a later date etc without being in view of houses. Obviously we know an exit to the back is blocked by the river.

 

[grumpiness]

Glad you’re feeling better.
Don’t get on here often as I work shifts in a private hospital in Central London.
(Orthopaedics Specialist).
More than slightly concerned you were prescribed Morphine for your injuries as you were able to leave the scene of an accident unaided and ride home. Fir subsequent concussion and pain they wouldn’t have prescribed that kind of opioids, in fact that should be the last thing they prescribe A low dose opioid like Codeine would be the drug of choice. Morphine is for on scene administration at serious accidents or terminally ill pallative care of cancer patients
Anyway off topic.

There is always oramorph

 

[PaddyOreally?]

On the contrary, the fact that the police allowed it to be distributed is very telling. I doubt they'd let an entirely innocent person to be subject to scrutiny like that, and if they genuinely don't know who it is they would have appealed for information. And they definitely did NOT say it wasn't him unless you have seen otherwise (source please)

My conclusion from that is that it is indeed PR and that he most likely already confirmed that to police. The issue is not whether he gave Libby a lift in his car. His sister suggests they already know about that part. It's determining whether he actually dropped her home or took her elsewhere.

I'll try and find the source.

I did just find this that I hadn't seen before. It says itv said the CCTV footage was a central part of the police's investigation.

Police searching for Libby Squire 'focus on CCTV of man in car'

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Deleted due to Luddite self-sabotage. See post below

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

This is the length of the cut through viewed from Croda entrance bollard end and facing towards park.



If you imagine on the left are are allotments ( no visible gate from Oak Road that I saw?) And then halfway down the allotments stop and the line of houses start. So i would say they are adjacent to the allotment end on end. The houses continue past the entrance to the park until you hit Beresford Rd.

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

Thank you. I tried looking on streetview but footage stops at either end of the pedestrian areas.

 

[Audiohoney]

When we’re talking about PR and his possible data / phone pings ... I actually DO think his phone would have pinged the masts. This is all JMO of course, but I don’t believe he intentionally left his house that evening intending to commit a murder. I feel he stumbled across LS in her inebriated state and things went wrong from there. I would never have considered flashing and knicker nicking to be the start of a road towards more serious sexual crime & murder, but it’s been interesting reading the psychology articles shared here about where those seemingly low level offences can lead. I do believe he is the man in the spidercam cctv and that’s LS being helped / cajoled into the passenger seat. The police had asked for that footage to be held for a week and then authorised its release - I believe it’s strongly connected to the case.

Unless he paused for a moment during what happened next - the drive to the park, commiting an assault, murder? - at what point would it cross his mind to switch roaming data off?

He can’t have premeditated the event - fantasised about it maybe - but he could not have known LS would be there on or near the bench in that state that night.

So, would it even cross his mind during his heightened state of fear / arousal / panic to reach for his phone and switch off data? I don’t think he’s been particularly clever, I think sadly he’s so far just been lucky. Unless his phone actually received a call or a message and made a sound which jolted him to switch it off, I think that may well be the only evidence the police are working from that so far puts him in the park until 3am that night.

His excuse for being there? ‘I sat with Libby on the park bench and we talked’ - hence the late night forensics.

All JMO.

 

[Jody70]

There is always oramorph

Yes but oral opioids of that concentration would not be given for bruising and sore limbs.
Codeine would be standard issue

 

[Sairzz]

I wonder if any of them owned a fitness tracker, with them being gym goers it's quite possible, the newer versions of Fitbit have built in gps

 

[Quintet]

On the contrary, the fact that the police allowed it to be distributed is very telling. I doubt they'd let an entirely innocent person to be subject to scrutiny like that, and if they genuinely don't know who it is they would have appealed for information. And they definitely did NOT say it wasn't him unless you have seen otherwise (source please)

My conclusion from that is that it is indeed PR and that he most likely already confirmed that to police. The issue is not whether he gave Libby a lift in his car. His sister suggests they already know about that part. It's determining whether he actually dropped her home or took her elsewhere.

Apologies if I’ve missed something, but, have the police actually confirmed LS was in PR car, I haven’t seen that? Also, the statement I read from PR sister was that PR stopped to talk to a sobbing girl and she (the sobbing girl) asked him to take her home. He put her address in satnav and that was the intention. She (sobbing girl) then came onto him (words to that effect) and he pushed her away.

In that statement it doesn’t actually say that he drove her anywhere!? Has he said the same thing? Does the police have the proof that LS was in his car? Be good to know.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

This is a shot from the cut-through taken 3/4 of the way down. Going from Croda end towards Park end.

The Bollards ahead are at the pedestrian park entrance reached by turning right at end of Beresford. The entrance is immediately right after the bollards.

If zoom in...the car is parked on grass verge beteen pedestrian park ent and the main park carpark of whoch you can just see the sign on zoom in.

Posted to show extent of blockage to car and proximity of the cctv footage yesterday to main Beresford carpark

 

[BrianJohnson]

Is there any realistic chance that LS and PR could have been in a relationship? it has been suggested in this thread that they frequented the same gym so could well have known each other

She seemed unusually upset if she was sitting on a bench crying her eyes out, why was she? i doubt it because she upset she got banned from a pub/club, and the fact she was way more drunk than her friends would suggest that either she is a lightweight compared to them or she was drinking heavily to drown her sorrows and consumed way more than them at pre drinks

It did cross my mind that maybe they knew each other well before that night and they either had an argument that day or previous day that she was agitated about or she found out about his wife and kids

It crossed my mind too that she knew he used to illegally taxi drive in that area so she went to that bench in the hope he would see her and stop and hopefully patch things up or she wanted to have it out with him about his wife and kids

And then he saw her, stopped, suggested lets talk in the park and things got out of hand

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

Apologies if I’ve missed something, but, have the police actually confirmed LS was in PR car, I haven’t seen that? Also, the statement I read from PR sister was that PR stopped to talk to a sobbing girl and she (the sobbing girl) asked him to take her home. He put her address in satnav and that was the intention. She (sobbing girl) then came onto him (words to that effect) and he pushed her away.

In that statement it doesn’t actually say that he drove her anywhere!? Has he said the same thing? Does the police have the proof that LS was in his car? Be good to know.

Weve been told very little (not our place to know) so I think we are all just trying to piece things together from what we have been told and are maybe reading too much into what we don't know. I'm guilty of that.

We just all want it solving and Libby home with her family.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

@Inspecthernightly I've only just realised your name isn't InspectorNightly... Nice pun. Lol.

Ha ha took me all night to think that one up

 

[Mercsw]

I was amazed by this case when it happened but sadly have been away with a personal issue so wasn’t following the news. What amazes me is how confused the timeline and investigation is. We have very limited confirmed information and reading back on the news it seems each day it’s another half idea to what has happened.

One thing I want to add (and I know it’s been mentioned but rubbished on here) are the fifteen minutes of screams. I honestly believe this is a fox that has been mistaken. I work at an animal rescue centre and we have had to provide a recording to our police as they get calls about women being attacked or in distress...only for a on heat vixen to be the cause.

It’s on green land, near a water source, at night and is intermittent for fifteen minutes. It doesn’t fit a prolonged attack that has apparently left no evidence or confirmed sighting of a woman.

For those saying wouldn’t locals recognise it. The answer is no. Depending on the Fox territory, breeding cycle and proximity of a male, this may be something you just wouldn’t hear. It’s worse for urban foxes as they are being displaced and may be new to areas.

If that isn’t screaming from the park, then it appears the investigation has gone off course very quickly.

 

[Quintet]

Weve been told very little (not our place to know) so I think we are all just trying to piece things together from what we have been told and are maybe reading too much into what we don't know. I'm guilty of that.

We just all want to solving and Libby home with her family.

Absolutely we all would love a happy ending I’m sure.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

Weve been told very little (not our place to know) so I think we are all just trying to piece things together from what we have been told and are maybe reading too much into what we don't know. I'm guilty of that.

We just all want to solving and Libby home with her family.

Hear hear