Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #9 *ARREST*

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Missing woman Libby Squire | Humberside Police

Can you help find missing Libby Squire (21) last seen getting into a taxi outside Welly club in Hull at around 11pm last night?

She is 5ft 7ins tall with shoulder length brown hair and was wearing a black long sleeved top, leather jacket and black denim skirt with lace.

If you have seen her please call 101 quoting log 29 of 01/02/19.

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Humberside Police

Woman, 21, missing after last being seen getting into taxi on night out

Huge search for missing Libby Squire continues

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Just bringing this forward from thread #2

Timeline:

11pm ish Libby gets in taxi at Welly
11:18pm Libby turned away from Welly, 11:22pm Libby put in taxi
11:29 Taxi drops her near home on Wellesley Av. Neighbours saw her stumbling in street.
11:40 - 11:45 caught on CCTV on bench. Around this time grey beard man stopped to offer assistance, she declined, police have cleared him
11:49ish PR? car arrives on Haworth Street (per ITV CCTV)
12:04-12:06 ish man smoking (CCTV)
12:08 passenger door opens and someone/something is on passenger seat (CCTV)
12:09 car drives away (CCTV)
12:09 police say Libby had left the bench by now
12:19 the same car (tbc) seen Newland Av (per Sun CCTV)
12:15-12:30ish dark and eerie screams coming from park for 15 minutes
12:30ish man seen running from park
12:30ish scream and banging gate heard from Heathcote St near Libbys house.
 
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RosalindaA said:
Just to make a comment concerning the relationship between voyeuristic offences and burglaries and stealing items of a sexual nature and rape/murders. Over the years I have read about quite a few cases and listened to a lot of podcasts that go into the early behaviours of these criminals. I think I have probably lost count of the number of them who exhibited these behaviours.
So it is not a leap, it is a very well-trodden path of this type of offender and why these type of seemingly minor (not to my eyes) offences should always be reported/investigated thoroughly. We need to stop thinking of these as minor and slightly comic. They are a huge red flag. Others have mentioned GSK, I would also throw in former Colonel Russell Williams and the so-called Claremont serial killer, accused is Bradley Robert Edwards who both committed these type of offences and went onto (so he is charged) perpetrate some heinous murders. Edwards incidentally drove taxis and is believed to have picked up his 3 known victims this way. Both are interesting cases/investigations to look into for this type of case, but there are many more.
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Re - this from last page of previous thread ; I agree and disagree.
It may be a well trodden path for this type of offender but personally for any individual offender it is still a leap to go from lower level sexually aggravated crimes to more serious crimes such as rape and murder.
Its not that i feel humans have any aversion to murder (quite the opposite) but more that the justice system and potential punishment generally acts as an effective deterant against bridging the gap from lower level crimes to more serious crimes such as rape and murder , as it does for people considering murder with other motivations. Lots of people of all different motivations would commit murder but are deterred by the potential consequences , it is a big leap.
As far as we know PR hadnt raped or murdered before so this would be a significant personal step up for him.
Not saying he woudnt potentially have made that step but its not a given as some people seem to think.
 
yoyo1 said:
Re - this from last page of previous thread ; I agree and disagree.
It may be a well trodden path for this type of offender but personally for any individual offender it is still a leap to go from lower level sexually aggravated crimes to more serious crimes such as rape and murder.
Its not that i feel humans have any aversion to murder (quite the opposite) but more that the justice system and potential punishment generally acts as an effective deterant against bridging the gap from lower level crimes to more serious crimes such as rape and murder , as it does for people considering murder with other motivations. Lots of people of all different motivations would commit murder but are deterred by the potential consequences , it is a big leap.
As far as we know PR hadnt raped or murdered before so this would be a significant personal step up for him.
Not saying he woudnt potentially have made that step but its not a given as some people seem to think.
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I get what your saying and in a way agree it's a massive step up.

But surely your not a rapist or murderer till you are?

We don't know what other crimes may be suspected of him and we don't know that there is nothing in his background either.

I'm open minded about it.

One things for sure if he was ready for stepping up to something worse he had the perfect opportunity before him that night.
 
Just to add to that.

A guy very very local to me with no previous of anything sexual related had what was called a 'night of terror' and attempted to assault one woman, sexually assaulted another and then raped a girl 4 times in front of her mum (who he beat up and forced to watch).

I believe he had been trouble before for some sort of charge involving fighting but the sexual offences were a first for him.
 
If the offences that PR is accused of are minor (in the grand scheme of things) then why was he remanded in custody and not bailed? Why was bail not applied for by his brief? Was PR considered a flight risk or is it an indication that there is evidence of something more serious?

I hope that a more substantial case is being built by the police but I also fear they lack the evidence at the moment. There also appears to be minimal effort in locating a body if indeed that is the outcome the police believe. If LS is deceased, as I think she is, then she could conceivably be anywhere, on land or in water, as PR had an opportunity to make a disposal. But if DNA evidence of LS being in the car used by PR then is it possible PR had access to another vehicle?

Or, as I think is more likely, LS ended up in the River Hull and has been swept further afield into the Humber. If this is the case then locating any body is going to be difficult and now relies upon a chance finding in my opinion.
 
Tallburt said:
If the offences that PR is accused of are minor (in the grand scheme of things) then why was he remanded in custody and not bailed? Why was bail not applied for by his brief? Was PR considered a flight risk or is it an indication that there is evidence of something more serious?

I hope that a more substantial case is being built by the police but I also fear they lack the evidence at the moment. There also appears to be minimal effort in locating a body if indeed that is the outcome the police believe. If LS is deceased, as I think she is, then she could conceivably be anywhere, on land or in water, as PR had an opportunity to make a disposal. But if DNA evidence of LS being in the car used by PR then is it possible PR had access to another vehicle?

Or, as I think is more likely, LS ended up in the River Hull and has been swept further afield into the Humber. If this is the case then locating any body is going to be difficult and now relies upon a chance finding in my opinion.
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You can't ask for someone to be put on remand because you think they might have done something more serious. So no it's not any kind of indication that they have evidence of anything more serious than the crimes he has been charged with.

Why was he remanded and not bailed? Any or all of the following:

  • They suspect he would fail to surrender to custody.
  • They fear he would commit other offences while on bail.
  • They fear he might interfere with witnesses or otherwise obstruct justice.
  • He is safer in prison than he is being released, i.e. for his own protection.
  • There hasn't been enough time to gather evidence to decide if bail is appropriate or not.

As his 'brief' didn't apply for bail, the prosecution had no need to object so we don't know which of the above apply. My guess is that it's a combination of being for his own protection and the fear that he would leg it back to Poland.

Not sure how you can say that the Police are making minimal effort to find the body.
 
In response to @BrianJohnson from the previous thread, about LS and PR frequenting the same gym, so actually knew each other - This is interesting, and could make sense. I would have hoped though the gym has some sort of camera system and could have possibly picked up the fact they maybe talked to one another at the gym, worked out together, or even flirted.
 
JeremyBentham said:
In response to @BrianJohnson from the previous thread, about LS and PR frequenting the same gym, so actually knew each other - This is interesting, and could make sense. I would have hoped though the gym has some sort of camera system and could have possibly picked up the fact they maybe talked to one another at the gym, worked out together, or even flirted.
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I think we are all speculating that they know each other from the gym rather than it being a fact.
 
Hi everyone, new poster here. I have been following the threads and have read the rules, and will try to keep within them. Anyway, straight to the point, I have a theory.

What if the 2 people walking are the runner and cyclist together? The cyclist and one of the walker's are wearing the same white hoodie.
  1. What if the runner is running from something that he may have done down Oak Road? He may have phoned or messaged the cyclist to bring him a different jacket or top, to change his identity. Could be because it has evidence over the orange jacket, like blood.
  2. Cyclist goes back and gets rid of the orange jacket the runner was wearing, whilst the runner walks round another way to the start of Oak Road again (where he originally came from). He also changes his trousers to a lighter pair when he goes back 'home'.
  3. The runner and cyclist then walk together from Oak Road towards Clough Road. They may have “finished something off” or removed evidence, which the runner originally was doing before he may have been disturbed, which explains why he was running.
Think about the time frames here also. Running man at 1:13, cycling man at 1:24 and 1:34. Then the walkers coming back at 2:34.
 
HopeForGoodNews said:
I think we are all speculating that they know each other from the gym rather than it being a fact.
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Indeed, just a theory. But i think it is very possible they knew each other

She had no interest in going anywhere or getting help from grey beard man, yes of course she might have felt uncomfortable travelling with an older guy but am sure she has been in taxis before driven by middle aged men, not that grey beard man had a taxi

Yet she willingly got in a car with PR

So that makes me think she quite possible knew him and also possible she declined grey beard man offer because she was there waiting for PR
 
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