Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #10 *ARREST*

[crazychris]

Yep anyone can turn up, it's open court. There's no dress code, you won't be turned away for what you wear, and I've seen some pretty tasteless get ups! No one can say about getting a seat. It depends on the capacity of the room they use and the interest in the case. I can't see there being many people at this next hearing as he doesn't have a massive amount of family, there are few victims, although I appreciate it was horrible for their victims they're not considered major offences, they are not going to be picking through details at this next hearing. There will be a greater public interest because of his link to Libby. I would expect to see a couple of reporters and a moderate amount of members of the public

I know it's far more high profile but I often go to the Old Bailey as I find it interesting but sometimes very boring. Once in and through security barriers and searches there's a list of cases on walls and you're virtually alone walking the long corridors with courts on each side and can go in and out of different public galleries, above the courts, as you please, so long as you're quiet. I got bored sometimes so came out and went in another. If it's a high profile murder case that's in the news you'd have to get there very early as there'll be a queue with reporters etc allowed in first. Some cases are closed to the public. The most interesting case was a very old man, in his 80's, accused of murdering his wife and he was conducting his own defence and was a right character and very funny with it. Strangely the public gallery was almost empty. Heard on the news later in the week that he'd been found guilty.

 

[bos]

Am I right in thinking that the police have never made any public comment about the Haworth St footage?

I think some non-commital / non-direct quote that police say it’s part of over 100 hours of cctv they’ve got to look at when it first appeared.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

LOL.

It may do for Joelle, but not for me. I have social anxiety; every situation is awkward.

Get your Kel to go instead.

 

[TheCasual]

This is part of the article from the Riverdale Road searches on Saturday. To me it seems they think she's definitely been in Oak Road Playing Fields.

Lee Harding, 28, said he was expecting search teams to come knocking at some point given the intense search operation centred on Oak Road Playing Fields over the past three weeks.

“They asked me if I’d seen any discarded clothing and they said the search was linked to Libby,” Mr Harding said. “It’s terrible for her knowing she is still out there and there are no answers.

“We were expecting them to come out at some point and I’m surprised it has taken as long as it has.”

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Well if you don't, I might! I have wanted to see some court proceedings in person for quite some time, and this case is obviously of great interest.

Can anyone just turn up (even at Crown court?) and ask to be let into a specific gallery? Is there a dress code or anything of the sort? Is there plenty of room or a good chance of being turned away?

Oxford University Press | Online Resource Centre | Visiting court

 

[Strontium69]

It's primarily electric and hybrid cars where some countries are looking at legislation to introduce warnings as they are difficult to hear at low speeds.

However, some new combustion engine cars are also quiet, but that's not going to apply to the Astra(s!) we've discussed.

Just thinking about some of the older generation I know that live in similar areas - the sound of a car moving along a ten foot is surprisingly noisy at midnight... people become attuned to the noises of their immediate environment. A car drives slowly along a ten foot... but then there is no associated noise of car doors, people to and fro, car going into garage... ah that's Mr soandso from 3 doors up... I recognise the sound of his garage doors scraping open... etc... ... Mrs is roused from sleep by the LACK of follow up noises, goes to the window... "Stan, that car's been sat there ten minutes now..."

 

[MancGuy Uk]

This is part of the article from the Riverdale Road searches on Saturday. To me it seems they think she's definitely been in Oak Road Playing Fields.

Lee Harding, 28, said he was expecting search teams to come knocking at some point given the intense search operation centred on Oak Road Playing Fields over the past three weeks.

“They asked me if I’d seen any discarded clothing and they said the search was linked to Libby,” Mr Harding said. “It’s terrible for her knowing she is still out there and there are no answers.

“We were expecting them to come out at some point and I’m surprised it has taken as long as it has.”

That’s interesting

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Very true. I recognise my neighbour arriving home by the 71 point turn she does to try and get parked, many a time I've felt like going out and offering to do it for her.

 

[Deckard]

This is part of the article from the Riverdale Road searches on Saturday. To me it seems they think she's definitely been in Oak Road Playing Fields.

Lee Harding, 28, said he was expecting search teams to come knocking at some point given the intense search operation centred on Oak Road Playing Fields over the past three weeks.

“They asked me if I’d seen any discarded clothing and they said the search was linked to Libby,” Mr Harding said. “It’s terrible for her knowing she is still out there and there are no answers.

“We were expecting them to come out at some point and I’m surprised it has taken as long as it has.”

Perhaps it was the lack of a shirt that made "running man" not dressed for the weather rather than the shorts. Ripped extensively during a struggle and then got rid of before running out of the park? LE subsequently searching through the bracken for it with possibly two sets of dna on it?

I believe ITV were given the go ahead on the CCTV to try and crack PR from those close to him. It's alright us hmming and haaing is it him or not?

His mother will know. His wife will know. That's our car. That's his clothing. His stance. Him.

 

[Quintet]

Putting together everything I think he planned to snatch a student and planned it well enough to be fairly confident. I wonder if it's possible that he's been hanging around for a while.

Libby had come back from a student night at the Welly. She was sat on a bench near a bus stop. There were buses from the Welly to there at weekends. It's possible that both her and PR could assume there would be buses there that night as well.

If it's him in the CCTV he was sat round the corner after midnight on a freezing cold night! Why?

Libby would have been freezing cold and the streets would have been getting quieter.

He's committed crimes that involve frightening women.

The more I hear the less I buy the trying it on gone wrong scenario. The more my blood runs cold.

One thing though. He likes trophies. He's stolen sex toys and underwear and it's possible they were recovered from his house. So could he have hidden Libby somewhere to retrieve stuff. If so where?

I believe the bus drops off at The Haworth pub on the corner, the quickest route on foot to LS house is to walk past the bench she was last seen at. I agree that she has highly likely taken that bus with friends and walked that way home on Saturdays. (I think there’s late night buses on Wednesday night also, not sure whether to that stop tho). The buses run hourly. It’s possible that PR parked in Haworth Street to then walk the rest of the way to the student area where LS house is, he was allegedly in that area 10 days earlier up to no good! We don’t know how many times he had possibly done this procedure to be fair.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

I asked this before and not sure had answer. Anyone?

Why are or have the police been so focussed on Oak Park? There must be more they know that they are not divulging.

Yes, think you answered your own question I’m sure they have good reason beyond anything publicly available.

 

[Joolz1975]

Perhaps it was the lack of a shirt that made "running man" not dressed for the weather rather than the shorts. Ripped extensively during a struggle and then got rid of before running out of the park? LE subsequently searching through the bracken for it with possibly two sets of dna on it?

I believe ITV were given the go ahead on the CCTV to try and crack PR from those close to him. It's alright us hmming and haaing is it him or not?

His mother will know. His wife will know. That's our car. That's his clothing. His stance. Him.

Yeh I agree fully about the cctv and releasing it to make his family crack.

Interesting to me that ITV released it not the police.

It seems to me the police said we can't release it for operational reasons, but you can if we edit it so you only show what we want the public to see.

I think they had him under observation until his arrest and then gave the go ahead for it to come out once they had him in custody.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Are people thinking that it's PR in the Haworth Street CCTV? I'm really not sure.

Also why was this leaked to ITV? Was a police thing or as the owner leaked it?

I think it is him. I think ITV would have checked with police in advance and only released it when given the go ahead. They wouldn’t want to be incriminating someone innocent. Police must have had reason for giving the go ahead. Just my opinion...

 

[CoverMeCagney]

We don't actually know for certain that PR didn't contact police on Fri/Sat when he heard Libby was missing. If he's sticking to the alleged "gave a crying girl a lift home" story, why wouldn't he?

Maybe he did, and as a result they got the CCTV pronto, gathered all other car/phone/witness data AND kept him under surveillance. Maybe in that time he went to the park. Meanwhile he persuaded his wife and family that she came onto him and ran off and he never saw her again.

Personally, I think he'd be silly to draw attention to himself given his previous deviances, but I'm just putting it out there as an option.

 

[scootermuppet]

Sorry if it’s been mentioned already but the cctv footage with the red top person, cycle person and the two people walking...I watched it a lot and I’m not sure the person closest to the fence is not being “helped” to walk. It’s the dual strides I can see and it doesn’t sit easy. Could this be why LE are searching for clothing discarded? Is this person possible being escorted out in different clothing maybe? It’s only a maybe...

 

[scootermuppet]

Observing the walk of the 2nd person closest to the fence. I got screen shots. I noticed the walker in light trousers closest to us remains vertical as they walk whilst the obscured walker closest to the fence seems to lunge back then forwards almost throughout the walk as if being escorted by the arm (linked by the arm or arm around the back). Obviously I’m not sure but it’s worth noting?

 

[Sairzz]

Observing the walk of the 2nd person closest to the fence. I got screen shots. I noticed the walker in light trousers closest to us remains vertical as they walk whilst the obscured walker closest to the fence seems to lunge back then forwards almost throughout the walk as if being escorted by the arm (linked by the arm or arm around the back). Obviously I’m not sure but it’s worth noting?

What's the chances of this being 3 people, look at you second clip onwards and it almost looks like someone falls to their knees, then the stance of the other people makes it look like they drag person back up, probably a trickery of light but does seem like someone's knees hit the ground

 

[sundaaaay]

What's the chances of this being 3 people, look at you second clip onwards and it almost looks like someone falls to their knees, then the stance of the other people makes it look like they drag person back up, probably a trickery of light but does seem like someone's knees hit the ground

Its a shadow

 

[Winterbells]

Thanks for this. It pretty much confirms our speculation about the keys. The question is though, why didn't she just get the taxi driver to take her back to Welly?

Ps - I've only just realised your name is Winterbells. For some reason I had always read it as 'Winterballs'. I suppose that could be a condition one gets when flashing out of season.

I suspect she didn't realise she'd forgotten her keys until after she'd exited the taxi. Although it's odd that she was helped up by the taxi driver when she fell over (according to the boys who witnessed her 'walking away from her house') yet she didn't ask him to take her back to the Welly. No money, perhaps. Or did the taxi driver have another fare to pick up and sent someone else to meet her at the bench? But why the bench and not collect her from outside her house?

(lol @ Winterballs)

 

[Sairzz]

Its a shadow

I thought maybe, but sometimes when I watch the clip it also seems like the person closest to the fence is also a shadow, their stride matches totally, I also can't decide if there is a dog, I know the first blur is a shadow but the 2nd I'm not sure gawd I hate all this grainy footage, it's playing havoc with my imagination