Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #14 *ARREST*

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Spent the past week trying to catch-up on this case and Leah's and am still behind. Been so busy with life....

This seems correct, PaddyOreally. I found what I think was the letter?:

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If the questions were written in an article then I'm guessing all of those have now been edited.
No that was a different letter!
 
Spent the past week trying to catch-up on this case and Leah's and am still behind. Been so busy with life....

This seems correct, PaddyOreally. I found what I think was the letter?:

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If the questions were written in an article then I'm guessing all of those have now been edited.

That's totally jogged my memory.

The letter and questions were in one of HDM's live update blogs rather than an article - that's why there's been no luck finding them to refer back to since.
 
CAN ANYONE HELP?

I'm feeling a bit uneasy and suspicious that reference to PR's car being shared by another man seems to have been removed from the newspapers. Why would this be?
I have wondered if perhaps someone was illegally living at PRs house and they have disappeared once so much attention was drawn to the property. Could it be a friend of PRs or his wife's? I definitely saw a report though that the neighbours mention another male using the car. Something was stated along the lines of 'I have seen two men driving the car but I don't know who it belongs to'.
 
We have a substantial polish community in my town & a polish lady I was talking to at work said it is common for poles in our town to lodge together, even those with young families. She said many are from the same towns back home, friends of friends, extended family or just through work.They do so to keep rent down and send money back home to family. The cultural/economic notion of sending money back home to look after elders/extended family is actually quite common. My close friend married a Portuguese man who continues to do it to this day and as a teen I lived in Beijing for three years, where looking after elders and sending money home is a priority. I wouldn’t be surprised if PR had other people living with him. Just thought I’d note
 
Was it? That letter was posted on Hull Live on the 11th of February. I don't remember seeing any letter with 5/7 questions on it, only words in online articles (most likely the Mail or Sun).

Amazing how different people remember different things!

Final episode of The Sopranos Syndrome :)
 
Cherwell ... when you say ‘exiled’ ... self imposed? Disappeared? Or banned from posting here?

I was fascinated by Nicks incredible insight. He knew every last detail of that model and put me in no doubt that the car in spider cam was an exact match for PRs. Not just ‘an astra’ but the pack on it, the specialist alloys, he even seemed to understand the colour options and alarm light sequence. I was delighted to hear he’d offered his services to LE as that sort of knowledge is surely invaluable.

EDIT: spelling

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Very good point. Is it just me or is there a jump here from stealing sexy toys to murder.... wouldn’t you expect him to have raped someone first and then escalated his next crime to murder. Just seems a jump from zero physical contact in his previous crimes to a full on murder. I’d have thought that he would have built up to it a bit more . That said , maybe more girls have come forward and we don’t know ....

I was just thinking maybe the intent was not to rape but to do his deed in front of her. Maybe that is his thing and she tried to get away and he knew he had to silence her before she got away and went to the police. She could identify him more than anyone else he try to performed in front of. Probably a crazy thought but something got me thinking this way today.
 
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Just had a thought, and I think it was mentioned earlier, but would LS have been feeling the effects of hypothermia as well as being too drunk at the time?
I'm not sure if she'd off been suffering the effects hypothermia.

But I do think the alcohol, having her night spoilt by not being allowed in Welly, The cold, being locked out and tiredness effected her judgement.
 
Can’t say I ever heard that one.
I have never read this anywhere either about police believing it was abduction from the beginning or her being abducted from behind her home in Beresford.
 
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Just caught up with the thread.

A couple of things which came to mind whilst catching up:

1. If PR had seen the GB interaction, if he were cunning and his end game was to get Libby in the car, he might have said something like “I saw that old man with you. Did he try to hurt you? Are you ok? He looked like a bad man. It’s not safe for you to be out here in the cold. What if he comes back?” Might, just might, that disarm someone? You only need basic English to say that too. If she was hesitant, maybe he showed her some photos on his phone of him with his wife and kids to further disarm her. “Look you can trust me, I am a family man. I will help you.”

If LS originally said no, maybe he said something like “ok, I’ll go to my car and smoke a cigarette, if you change your mind it’s just around the corner two cars up”. Could be one interpretation of him looking back towards the bench wondering if she would take him up on his offer. If he wasn’t pushy the first time, that could have disarmed LS further so that when he went back the last time, it didn’t take long for his plan to work.

2. We know the astra’s arrival on Haworth and the first approx 10 mins of it being there is missing from spidercam. And we thought either LE had asked ITV to edit it out or nothing was happening hence no need to release it. I’m leaning towards the “edit out” option, as seeing what the driver did in that first 10 mins, if he was outside the car etc IS pertinent. Anyone think there’s a chance PR (if it’s him) arrived and parked quickly facing Haworth in his haste to go and see the lay of the land/talk to LS before he lost his shot? He had a look, thought he had a bit of time and nipped back to the car and turned it around so it faced the other way. Then he went and spoke to her again. If released, surely such footage would look pretty damning in the public’s eyes like he was planning ahead to make a quick getaway. Realize this may be a stretch and that it would mean he left the car and returned to it three times, but it did occur to me so I thought I’d see what you thought.
 
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I can't dig it up now (will keep searching) but there was talk of her friends holding her stuff/keys and her getting separated from friends when they were admitted to the Welly and Libby was not. It's one explanation as to why she got to the house but didn't go in. IMO the only other explanation is - get home - need kebab - go back up to the High Street.
Or maybe she saw the guy in the balaclava hanging round her street and that spooked her so decided she would rather wait outdoors than go into her house alone?
 
I vaguely remember the owner of the cctv saying something about when the cctv was given to the police, i.e. no until Saturday maybe?
I’m sure I can remember reading that the electrical firm handed Haworth cctv to police & media on the Saturday or Sunday and were annoyed that it took so long to get it out to the public?
 
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I’ve followed these threads for a while now because I was born in Hull. The fact is, I sort of feel betrayed. The Hull I remember is a town where people would say come round to ours for tea, there’s fish pattie and chips with your name on it.

I don’t recognise a Hull of flashers, dildo thieves, CCTV and predatory stalkers, but hey, I’m 63. Get with the programme, granddad.

I’ve been thinking a lot about the random nature of life as well: If so and so hadn’t been in such and such a place, etc etc.

Anyway. Mods, please delete this if late night quasi-religious maunderings contravene TOS. I’ve been pondering on why people post on here and I think for me, it’s become a mixture of a desire for justice and a forlorn hope that I might just notice something everyone else has missed. Yes, I am sad.

2018 was a horrendous year, almost everyone I know lost a relative, a family member, and/or a pet, and I found myself writing two condolence letters per month.

I always said in those letters that modern physics tells us that there are multiple dimensions which we can’t access. One of those could be what religious people call heaven.

When my own mother died in 1986, someone sent me this extract from the sermon of Canon Henry Scott Holland in 1910:

Death is nothing at all. It does not count. I have only slipped away into the next room. Nothing has happened.

Everything remains exactly as it was. I am I, and you are you, and the old life that we lived so fondly together is untouched, unchanged. Whatever we were to each other, that we are still.

Call me by the old familiar name. Speak of me in the easy way which you always used. Put no difference into your tone. Wear no forced air of solemnity or sorrow.

Laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes that we enjoyed together. Play, smile, think of me, pray for me. Let my name be ever the household word that it always was. Let it be spoken without an effort, without the ghost of a shadow upon it. Life means all that it ever meant. It is the same as it ever was. There is absolute and unbroken continuity. What is this death but a negligible accident?

Why should I be out of mind because I am out of sight? I am but waiting for you, for an interval, somewhere very near, just round the corner. All is well. Nothing is hurt; nothing is lost. One brief moment and all will be as it was before. How we shall laugh at the trouble of parting when we meet again!


When my mum died in 1986, I'm not describing this very well, but in April 1986 I was working and I did a conference at Loughborough University. They gave me a room half way up a tower block where if I wanted to, I could wave out of the window at the pilots in a holding pattern over East Midlands Airport. Anyway…

That weekend at one point I found myself looking out of the window and across the way, lower than my level, was another university building with a flat roof and it was completely covered with a shallow lake of rain water

And as I watched it, the sun came out and the wind rippled the puddle so that every single bit of it danced in the light for a minute or so. I looked at it and somehow I knew, from looking at the rippling lights, that my mum was OK and that she was trying to tell me she was OK

Two years later, when I found myself in Chartres, I went to light a candle for her and I got the same feeling again, but much, much stronger, to the extent that it almost incapacitated me. I have never been able to explain it, but ever since then I have felt that my mum is at peace and happy

I hope if any of Libby’s family are reading this, it might give them comfort. Or indeed, anyone who is reading this who has lost someone. That’s it, basically. I’m wrapping this up, here in the UK. The owls are hoo-hooing in the woods out the back, down towards the mills in the valley, telling me to go to bed. And who am I to disagree with owls. Good night America, wherever you are.
 
Regarding the timing of when the police got hold of the spidercam cctv:
"The Haworth Street footage was captured by cameras overlooking steel gates to an electrical firm.
Staff checked it after Libby was reported missing and alerted cops.
But workers there are fuming detectives took so long to reveal it.
One said: “We couldn’t understand why it wasn’t published straight away by the police.
“If it was my daughter I would have it everywhere.
“Surely they have had enough time to examine it, obtain the licence plate and do checks to find out where it went.
"Time is of the essence. They always talk about the golden hour in investigations. They’ve had nearly a week.”
CCTV footage emerges of last sighting of missing Libby Squire 'in car with man'
Thankyou for finding this Winterbells, I knew I had seen this article x
 
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