UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #20

[Joolz1975]

15:05
'I did not physically force her into the car'
Relowicz says when he left his car again and went back to Beverley Road, Libby was sitting on the pavement.

He said: “When the other car drove off she got up and was trying to open the other cars on the other side of the road. I told her they weren’t my car so I pressed the key to show her my car and when she saw it she said, ‘ok'.

“We both walked to the car and she sat in and I did her seatbelt for her.”

Relowicz says he did not physically force her into the car.

Pawel Relowicz is giving his account of what happened to Libby - updates

Bet he could not believe his luck that night. He got exactly what he had been prowling around for.

 

[Cherwell]

He said: “I believe that she understood everything that I was saying to her because when I told her my car was there and I needed her address then she would follow me. I didn’t force her to walk, she went on her own.”
Pawel Relowicz is giving his account of what happened to Libby - updates

Funny how he was the only one who understood anything she was saying, though.

 

[jamjim]

They added another line after you posted

He said: “I believe that she understood everything that I was saying to her because when I told her my car was there and I needed her address then she would follow me. I didn’t force her to walk, she went on her own.”

Pawel Relowicz is giving his account of what happened to Libby - updates

Thanks @Tortoise! Just edited it in!

 

[HongKongPhooey]

15:05
'I did not physically force her into the car'
Relowicz says when he left his car again and went back to Beverley Road, Libby was sitting on the pavement.

He said: “When the other car drove off she got up and was trying to open the other cars on the other side of the road. I told her they weren’t my car so I pressed the key to show her my car and when she saw it she said, ‘ok'.

“We both walked to the car and she sat in and I did her seatbelt for her.”

Relowicz says he did not physically force her into the car.

Pawel Relowicz is giving his account of what happened to Libby - updates

Did her seatbelt for her.

So at best, she was incapable.

At worst, he was forcing her in.

Option two IMO but either way, not good. He had to explain what he was doing there too, if not pushing Libby in.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

How awful to name Libby as Squire.

Dreadful. De-personalising Libby

 

[Tortoise]

Thanks @Tortoise! Just edited it in!

They've just added another line!

Mr Saxby has asked whether Libby did anything that would suggest to Relowicz she liked him sexually to which he has replied “no".

 

[Winterbells]

Although we recognise that his crimes were anything but 'silly', I suspect the reason his defence are encouraging PR to refer to them in those terms is to demonstrate that he doesn't feel he's a 'bad' person and doesn't comprehend how frightening and violating his 'fetish' crimes are - he just thinks the women he targets will think of him as being 'silly' for doing what he does. In other words, he knows the difference between 'bad' and 'good'; he knows that rape and murder are 'bad' and has no interest whatsoever in being 'bad' like that, but he's been wrong to regard the stuff he is guilty of as benign and realises that now. Quite a clever defence, I'd say.

 

[Joolz1975]

They've just added another line!

Mr Saxby has asked whether Libby did anything that would suggest to Relowicz she liked him sexually to which he has replied “no".

But his defence is they had consensual sex? So if we are to believe him (which I dont) why would he have sex with someone who had given him no signs that she was attracted to him? And who was so far incapacitated that she could not do her seat belt up?

Hopefully the prosecution can unravel all his bull when they get around to questioning him

 

[Cherwell]

How awful to name Libby as Squire.

I hate this referring to people by surname only. It seems to be an American habit but it's spreading over here. Apart from sounding slightly disrespectful, it can be very confusing when several people with the same surname are involved. I've seen this in places like Wikipedia articles, and the lack of forenames makes it difficult to follow.

 

[JusticeDT]

Although we recognise that his crimes were anything but 'silly', I suspect the reason his defence are encouraging PR to refer to them in those terms is to demonstrate that he doesn't feel he's a 'bad' person and doesn't comprehend how frightening and violating his 'fetish' crimes are - he just thinks the women he targets will think of him as being 'silly' for doing what he does. In other words, he knows the difference between 'bad' and 'good'; he knows that rape and murder are 'bad' and has no interest whatsoever in being 'bad' like that, but he's been wrong to regard the stuff he is guilty of as benign and realises that now. Quite a clever defence, I'd say.

That makes sense.

 

[JusticeDT]

I hate this referring to people by surname only. It seems to be an American habit but it's spreading over here. Apart from sounding slightly disrespectful, it can be very confusing when several people with the same surname are involved. I've seen this in places like Wikipedia articles, and the lack of forenames makes it difficult to follow.

It felt cold. They should have just said Libby.

 

[JosieJo]

But his defence is they had consensual sex? So if we are to believe him (which I dont) why would he have sex with someone who had given him no signs that she was attracted to him? And who was so far incapacitated that she could not do her seat belt up?

Hopefully the prosecution can unravel all his bull when they get around to questioning him

I think he will now say she tried it in as they got near the park

 

[Winterbells]

But his defence is they had consensual sex? So if we are to believe him (which I dont) why would he have sex with someone who had given him no signs that she was attracted to him? And who was so far incapacitated that she could not do her seat belt up?

Hopefully the prosecution can unravel all his bull when they get around to questioning him

I suspect we haven't got to the part where Libby made 'a 'move' on him.
Also, the doing up of the seatbelt could be excused quite easily. Look how caring he is - he doesn't want her to be un-seat-belted and people do find seat-belt-plugging-in quite awkward in stranger's cars. I always struggle in a taxi. Takes me most of the journey to get the damn thing in.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Although we recognise that his crimes were anything but 'silly', I suspect the reason his defence are encouraging PR to refer to them in those terms is to demonstrate that he doesn't feel he's a 'bad' person and doesn't comprehend how frightening and violating his 'fetish' crimes are - he just thinks the women he targets will think of him as being 'silly' for doing what he does. In other words, he knows the difference between 'bad' and 'good'; he knows that rape and murder are 'bad' and has no interest whatsoever in being 'bad' like that, but he's been wrong to regard the stuff he is guilty of as benign and realises that now. Quite a clever defence, I'd say.

I think I disagree with you there. As our fellow posters have shared from personal experience, his convicted offences could have a devastating and long term impact on the victims.

Not acknowledging the seriousness at the time (or now) shows a lack of awareness for others and will hopefully alienate the jury.

Self gratification all the way for this animal IMO.

 

[jamjim]

15:21
'I did not rape Libby. I did not kill her'
After describing how he could not get an address out of Libby, Relowicz told the court he drove to the top of Beresford Avenue to turn around at Oak Road.

Mr Saxby has asked Relowicz if he raped Libby Squire.

He said: “No.”

He has been asked if he killed her, or convey her to the river, or place her in the river and turn back.

He said: “No.”

Pawel Relowicz is giving his account of what happened to Libby - updates

 

[mrazda71]

Before Aaron Campbell i might've thought differently but, after Aaron - maybe PR could claim they never had sex at all and Libby must've found one if his 'calling cards' somewhere and inserted his sperm herself *face-palm*

 

[Winterbells]

It felt cold. They should have just said Libby.

I think it's deliberate. I haven't noticed, but I'm guessing the prosecution refer to her as 'Libby'. I think the defence don't want the jury thinking of Libby as anything other than an anonymous character named 'Squire', whereas the prosecution of course want the jury picturing a young, harmless, vulnerable girl, not much more than a child, with a name, and a family and everything.

 

[Skigh]

Dreadful. De-personalising Libby

Totally agree with you that it was used deliberately to de-personalise Libby. I hope the jury really hate how her surname has been used to refer to her.

 

[JusticeDT]

Before Aaron Campbell i might've thought differently but, after Aaron - maybe PR could claim they never had sex at all and Libby must've found one if his 'calling cards' somewhere and inserted his sperm herself *face-palm*[
Abgree absolutely disgusting defence.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

I hate this referring to people by surname only. It seems to be an American habit but it's spreading over here. Apart from sounding slightly disrespectful, it can be very confusing when several people with the same surname are involved. I've seen this in places like Wikipedia articles, and the lack of forenames makes it difficult to follow.

I agree. I live in the states and you are correct, it is very common. I completely ignore people when they refer to me by my last name only. If it is supposed to be “cool” it is not.