UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #22

[tedtink]

I'm very curious to understand how he got her into the park initially without her screaming at that point though.

He had from 12pm - until the time they arrived at the park to manipulate and build up her trust, she was so vulnerable, there could be a number of tricks he used to 'lure' her into the park.
JMO

 

[Ruthbullock]

I've just come across the below video. I think its the house and yeast factory cctv.

Libby Squire trial CCTV

So two separate pieces of CCTV show his car has left the area at 12.20.

 

[Sooty]

I've just come across the below video. I think its the house and yeast factory cctv.

Libby Squire trial CCTV

Thank you @Vera_dci for this - I hadn’t seen any of it before.
My initial thoughts from it are 1) so glad they have experts to look at this day in day out - it’s so difficult to work out what you can see 2) from what I can see, with their help (arrows) they didn’t leave the car until a couple of seconds from 00:12 and returned just two seconds before 00:19 which gives them 7 minutes.

 

[I wonder]

He had from 12pm - until the time they arrived at the park to manipulate and build up her trust, she was so vulnerable, there could be a number of tricks he used to 'lure' her into the park.
JMO

Sorry to reiterate a previous point I made, but I think he said he'd take her to her mum. No other witness mentioned Libby asking for her mum. It would be relatively easy to manipulate Libby this way. She was freezing, had wandered around distressed for quite some time, she had bloody knees and was in a terrible state. If he told her he'd take her to her mum, she'd be easily convinced I think, because that's what she wanted to do.

Additionally, PR is a fairly young man. I don't know the ages of the other men who tried to help, but I think she'd interact with someone nearer her own age. She'd probably reached the point of total despair. If someone said the right things, she'd go with them because she was at rock bottom.

 

[Jarvis1969]

Goodness, I take my hat off to the Police who have had to go through all this cctv footage. What is the flashimg? Is it his car lights? Also the 2 red arrows, is that the car parked? Sorry I would be useless at this job

 

[Newthoughts]

Re "using his condom hiding evidence". I thought his DNA was all over the place - he left condoms at houses he burgled and sperm on doors and windows.

He did. Which is why it seems odd that he was apparently unconcerned later on after raping Libby. Suggesting he was very confident evidence wouldn't found. Which it would have been had she been alive and reported him or dead in the park where someone would have found her.

 

[HullGirl72]

Sorry to reiterate a previous point I made, but I think he said he'd take her to her mum. No other witness mentioned Libby asking for her mum. It would be relatively easy to manipulate Libby this way. She was freezing, had wandered around distressed for quite some time, she had bloody knees and was in a terrible state. If he told her he'd take her to her mum, she'd be easily convinced I think, because that's what she wanted to do.

Additionally, PR is a fairly young man. I don't know the ages of the other men who tried to help, but I think she'd interact with someone nearer her own age. She'd probably reached the point of total despair. If someone said the right things, she'd go with them because she was at rock bottom.

I thought she’d been heard asking for her mum by other witnesses, eg the two men in the car?!

 

[Sooty]

He did. Which is why it seems odd that he was apparently unconcerned later on after raping Libby. Suggesting he was very confident evidence wouldn't found. Which it would have been had she been alive and reported him or dead in the park where someone would have found her.

As @Dotta says though - he’s never been concerned about it previously either. Leaves it everywhere.

 

[Joolz1975]

Re "using his condom hiding evidence". I thought his DNA was all over the place - he left condoms at houses he burgled and sperm on doors and windows.

I think he just liked to leave a calling card and didnt expect to be caught.

 

[sundaaaay]

He did. Which is why it seems odd that he was apparently unconcerned later on after raping Libby. Suggesting he was very confident evidence wouldn't found. Which it would have been had she been alive and reported him or dead in the park where someone would have found her.

It is odd to go back out again that night like nothing had happened, they claimed he was aroused by it but do you think maybe it was anticlimactic for some reason. Or maybe he knew he would have to lie low the days following what had just happened. Or else he just wasn't that bothered.

 

[Vermont24]

I've just come across the below video. I think its the house and yeast factory cctv.

Libby Squire trial CCTV

Wow, this isn't easy to interpret. I'm trying to get my bearings with the domestic CCTV footage using the roof which is visible, but streetview is half a decade out of date. I'll wave to walk down there again over the weekend.

 

[tedtink]

It is odd to go back out again that night like nothing had happened, they claimed he was aroused by it but do you think maybe it was anticlimactic for some reason. Or maybe he knew he would have to lie low the days following what had just happened. Or else he just wasn't that bothered.

Without hearing the psychologists report, imo it's hard to say.

 

[Joolz1975]

It is odd to go back out again that night like nothing had happened, they claimed he was aroused by it but do you think maybe it was anticlimactic for some reason. Or maybe he knew he would have to lie low the days following what had just happened. Or else he just wasn't that bothered.

I think he was on some sort of pervy high and wanted to try again and then his excitement got the better of him.

Interesting that whilst he was back out prowling that Libby's friends were out looking for her (or within a very short time span) in the same area.

 

[Vera_dci]

It is odd to go back out again that night like nothing had happened, they claimed he was aroused by it but do you think maybe it was anticlimactic for some reason. Or maybe he knew he would have to lie low the days following what had just happened. Or else he just wasn't that bothered.

I think he was in a state of euphoria after raping and killing libby. Criminal physiologists say that serial killers are always trying to achieve that first kill/rape euphoria experience. It was like all his fantasies had come true to him that night, it was like a drug. Much like his exposing and stealing objects. He even admits he has no control and its a 'problem' for him.

 

[mrazda71]

I disagree. The jury have to be beyond reasonable doubt and murder isn't that easy to prove. Look at the PC Harper case.

You do the UK justice system great harm by your claim and you are wrong.

I disagree, I think your interpretation of 'beyond reasonable doubt' is wrong.

In PC Harpers case - they did not set out to cause harm to another human being - they set out to steal property.

In the case of rape or abduction ' the perpetrator should expect that harm would be done to their victim.

 

[Sarahjo]

Wow, this isn't easy to interpret. I'm trying to get my bearings with the domestic CCTV footage using the roof which is visible, but streetview is half a decade out of date. I'll wave to walk down there again over the weekend.

Sorry for my map skills but just wondered if both these that I have circled are houses or is the one in the car park a park building that no one lives in? If both are houses do we know which one the scream witness lived in?

 

[Vermont24]

Sorry for my map skills but just wondered if both these that I have circled are houses or is the one in the car park a park building that no one lives in? If both are houses do we know which one the scream witness lived in?

Blue circle is a hut, used by park stuff during opening hours. The red circle is a private house, which one of the witnesses lived in.

 

[Sarahjo]

Blue circle is a hut, used by park stuff during opening hours. The red circle is a private house, which one of the witnesses lived in.

Thanks, I’ve been thinking all along the hut was the house as the actual house is so hard to see unless you’re in street view..

 

[Newthoughts]

I disagree. The jury have to be beyond reasonable doubt and murder isn't that easy to prove. Look at the PC Harper case.

You do the UK justice system great harm by your claim and you are wrong.

The PC Harper case was quite different tho.

The killers didn't set out to hunt policemen the set out to steal a quad bike. Whilst PR set out to stalk women

PR cannot deny the rape took place and cannot deny he knew he'd been in contact physically with Libby the killers of PC Harper said they didn't know they were dragging his body.

And if ever there was a big mistake made it was on that jury

 

[Newthoughts]

I think he was on some sort of pervy high and wanted to try again and then his excitement got the better of him.

Interesting that whilst he was back out prowling that Libby's friends were out looking for her (or within a very short time span) in the same area.

And he nearly did if I've understood the prosecution cross examination correctly? Didn't he see a woman go down a street and then his second masturbation was at the other end of that road when she didn't emerge? Or have I misunderstood which is highly possible given his multiple activities

It is heartbreaking to think her friends were looking for her at the same time.