UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #22

[bos]

I've just come across the below video. I think its the house and yeast factory cctv.

Libby Squire trial CCTV

Great find!

 

[Newthoughts]

I've just come across the below video. I think its the house and yeast factory cctv.

Libby Squire trial CCTV

Great find. And it does illustrate the snow which does make everything much brighter

 

[Vermont24]

Great find!

The yeast factory CCTV is so clear and shows the river bank. Surely it caught something concrete...

 

[porkypies]

With respect, I don't think it's madness to imagine that one lot of screaming was Libby and another lot was foxes. Foxes, when they scream, do exactly what you've described; they sound human, they're intermittent and they make people feel the need to call the police. (Once you're used to the sound you tune it out, as Sam Alford may have done). However, I would have thought that the Oak Road foxes would be too spooked by the presence of a rapist and murderer and the screams of his victim to just carry on with their own noisy rituals.

I don't see it stated that the students who heard screams at 12.30, also heard screams at or around 12.14, why not? since they were so loud and disturbing?
Perhaps they were indeed different screams and coming from different places. I'm still not clear from any evidence so far, that anyone knows that any of the screams were from Libby.
I now wonder if it's possible that screaming foxes made PR panic and leave her body hidden and so had to come back later.

 

[Vera_dci]

Great find!

It was pure luck to be honest. I was looking for the cctv of libby crossing the road .

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I disagree, I think your interpretation of 'beyond reasonable doubt' is wrong.

In PC Harpers case - they did not set out to cause harm to another human being - they set out to steal property.

In the case of rape or abduction ' the perpetrator should expect that harm would be done to their victim.

I think the judge's summing up will be really pivotal in this case. Be interesting to hear that.

 

[Joolz1975]

And he nearly did if I've understood the prosecution cross examination correctly? Didn't he see a woman go down a street and then his second masturbation was at the other end of that road when she didn't emerge? Or have I misunderstood which is highly possible given his multiple activities

It is heartbreaking to think her friends were looking for her at the same time.

That is what I thought as well about the other woman. She had a really lucky escape didn't she.

 

[Dotta]

It was pure luck to be honest. I was looking for the cctv of libby crossing the road .

*Pure luck* is the reward for hard work

 

[Joolz1975]

I don't see it stated that the students who heard screams at 12.30, also heard screams at or around 12.14, why not? since they were so loud and disturbing?
Perhaps they were indeed different screams and coming from different places. I'm still not clear from any evidence so far, that anyone knows that any of the screams were from Libby.
I now wonder if it's possible that screaming foxes made PR panic and leave her body hidden and so had to come back later.

Yeh I had thought about him leaving her body hidden and going back later.

 

[Newthoughts]

Can I ask a question of the locals. When we've looked at the images of the river - and from seeing it in the city centre - it meanders and it has banks, reeds and mud in the park.

From @Strontiums videos and pictures it looks like it would be an effort to get into.

If the screams were coming from the pond area you're getting close to where it starts to flow from the park and thru the industrial estate is that correct?

From those pictures and from seeing it in the city centre there seems to be a change in the way its flow is controlled - that is - later on you see metal railing and walls making it more like a river you could get lost in .

So would that particular location in the park give an advantage to anyone hoping to get a body into a deeper part of the river quickly. Or a part that would be more difficult to search?

 

[JosieJo]

I've just come across the below video. I think its the house and yeast factory cctv.

Libby Squire trial CCTV

Great find

So am I right in thinking this is the river running all along this clip of the cctv?



Libby Squire trial CCTV

 

[Vermont24]

Great find

So am I right in thinking this is the river running all along this clip of the cctv?

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Libby Squire trial CCTV

Yeah, the river is the 'crease' towards the top

 

[Vermont24]

@JosieJo, the CCTV is showing a lower angle of this:

 

[Winterbells]

Goodness, I take my hat off to the Police who have had to go through all this cctv footage. What is the flashimg? Is it his car lights? Also the 2 red arrows, is that the car parked? Sorry I would be useless at this job

Same. I don't understand what I'm looking at at all. Even the footage of him leaving the park - which part of his journey is that?

 

[Joolz1975]

I hate to do this after the great spider cam debate of 2019. But is this a person? Or are my eyes ready for testing? And if it is they are pretty near the river.

 

[Vera_dci]

*Pure luck* is the reward for hard work

Thank you Dotta . I see it as we are all a team on here, if someone hadn't of mentioned that libby couldn't run and me trying to find the cctv of her running across the road, i wouldn't have found it. So I'd say it was a group effort

 

[Newthoughts]

I hate to do this after the great spider cam debate of 2019. But is this a person? Or are my eyes ready for testing? And if it is they are pretty near the river.

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Yes I think it's a person and if I were to judge the build - I'd say not unlike the person on spider cam

 

[JosieJo]

Yeah, the river is the 'crease' towards the top

Thank you ...so how on earth has it not picked up some movement by the river ...if she entered at that area?

 

[porkypies]

I think that’s a good point - having additional witnesses adds credibility to the testimony in some ways, it doesn’t detract from it for me. It doesn’t mean that one is true and one isn’t, however it does highlight how difficult perhaps it is to keep track of time in the middle of the night. 15 minutes is easily lost in the mind fog of the wee hours in my experience

Edited to add:

it is worth remembering that these were originally witnesses for the prosecution. They declined to use them because, I assume, they knew it wouldn’t fit.
MOO

But how and why could they ever have been witnesses for the prosecution, who accuse PR of murdering Libby by 11.19, when shared CCTV evidence has PR leaving the park by 11.19, and them testifying that they heard screams in the park at 11.30? CCTV shows PR arriving home alone at 12.23.

 

[tedtink]

Sorry to reiterate a previous point I made, but I think he said he'd take her to her mum. No other witness mentioned Libby asking for her mum. It would be relatively easy to manipulate Libby this way. She was freezing, had wandered around distressed for quite some time, she had bloody knees and was in a terrible state. If he told her he'd take her to her mum, she'd be easily convinced I think, because that's what she wanted to do.

Additionally, PR is a fairly young man. I don't know the ages of the other men who tried to help, but I think she'd interact with someone nearer her own age. She'd probably reached the point of total despair. If someone said the right things, she'd go with them because she was at rock bottom.

Her Mum lived over 200 miles away.
LS was obviously vulnerable, but to believe her Mum was in the park?
I find that hard to believe.

The original question from @sundaaaay

"I'm very curious to understand how he got her into the park initially without her screaming at that point though."

Is a valid question.

There was no screaming at that point so 'acute stress' or 'fight or flight' wasn't apparent until minutes later.

JMO