UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 *ARREST* #18

[Alyce]

Didn't the manager of Sainsburys on Beverley road say he saw her at Midnight?.That must have been back at the bench as you could see her bench from there but I doubt you'd see the Endsleigh Centre. If his timing is right then closer to 3 minutes perhaps?

We now know the bit of spidercam made public was after he had walked past her by her bench, crossed to the corner where Beverley road meets Beresford Road then stalked her on the other side of Beverley Road to the Endsleigh centre and brought her back to the bench?

Heartbreaking because she'd actually started to go home and was half way to the end of her own street. So close.

I seem to remember that tools were recovered from that very corner and the police saying they were linked to a different crime?

If she was that close to home what on Earth made her return to be bench after encountering him. It would have been quicker to walk from there than go back for a anything. Only thing I can think of were her lost keys. Maybe an offer to take her home and sit in a warm car till her friends got home. Or a 'safe car' because there's no way she won't have heard about his wanking incident in her street - and he'd certainly have known


I can't watch the footage of him returning to the car with Libby but people have said he appears to throw something in the back - like a bag. He didn't have anything with him before that nor did she

Very good point. So that does narrow the time even further.

 

[Alyce]

What does "them" mean?
I am not sure if this means that he flew the drone over the police. It may just mean he flew it over Oak Road Playing Fields.

I read it that he meant over the fields.

 

[JusticeDT]

I wonder if he will claim he lied to police because he was married and was worried his wife would find out he had been unfaithful.

 

[Mind your biscuits]

I've attached google map satelite picture ofthe yeast factory and a picture of a security camera. I wonder if this is the one which picked up their movements or if there are more at the rear. The factory backs directly onto the river

Thanks for posting, wow, the river looks like gravy. I'm not surprised poor Libby wasn't spotted. Moo.

 

[Newthoughts]

Found Deceased - UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #9 *ARREST*
@Strontium69 Video

The second video here is interesting tho I haven't watched it all yet.

At 10.03 something that could be the yeast factory is seen on the other side of the river. It's there he stops to chat to a press photographer who tells him the police had been searching at that poibtb but had just packed up tho specialist search rescue people had been there. That point could easily be picked up by yeast factory CCTV.

At about 14.40 he cycles past derelict boathouses that the police searched which - if you look at the map - could also be in easy view of the yeast factory CCTV.

He also gives views of the river which I think show it would be very difficult for Libby to fall into it. She could fall into mud but not into currents.

I'm not sure what the tide was when the video was recorded but @Mommysleuth11 has already said it wasn't high tide till 2.30 in the morning when Libby went missing

 

[Alyce]

Updating my earlier post re timings for Endsleigh.


From cctv
11.57pm
Libby is seen walking up Beverley Road towards the Endsleigh centre

PR is then seen crossing from the other side of Beverley Road to catch up with her at the Endsleigh centre and they go into the grounds. So 11.57 or 11.58 pm ?

PR and Libby are captured on cctv leaving the Endsleigh centre , no time given.

From evidence -
another woman saw Libby just before midnight when she was sitting on the floor close to a bus stop at the junction with Haworth Street.

She was last seen by the manager of the Sainsbury's on Beverley Road as he locked up, at around midnight.

12.03am.
PR seen at his car on Haworth Street


From the above, the time in Endsleigh narrows to a minute or two at most. Perhaps this is why it is not being given very much weight by the Prosecution.

 

[Newthoughts]

“A drone with footage showing Oak Road Playing Fields was found and it was confirmed that, as he had told police in interview, that he had flown his drone over them a couple of days before”
So PR recorded while using the drone. You cannot record audio with a drone but I wonder if he used his phone as a recording devise to record LE’s conversation. He could have attached it to the drone. I easily researched this so I am sure he could have. I guess LE did not see the drone or there was more than one because other folks would have been interested in seeing what was going on? What is LE protocol when they see drones flying above crime scenes or searches in progress? We have seen and heard how the suspect will try to interject themselves in the investigation by searching, offering to help, going to press conferences but using a drone keeps them involved but out of eyesight. MOO

I'm not sure what them means? Police or fields?

It would be incredibly stupid to fly a drone over an investigation into a murder you'd committed so my first thought was that he'd flown it before the crime. Tie in with his going there to check it out. Or maybe he did fly it over whilst they were searching

A couple of days before his arrest would by 4th Feb so I guess checking their progress

 

[Newthoughts]

Updating my earlier post re timings for Endsleigh.


From cctv
11.57pm
Libby is seen walking up Beverley Road towards the Endsleigh centre

PR is then seen crossing from the other side of Beverley Road to catch up with her at the Endsleigh centre and they go into the grounds. So 11.57 or 11.58 pm ?

PR and Libby are captured on cctv leaving the Endsleigh centre , no time given.

From evidence -
another woman saw Libby just before midnight when she was sitting on the floor close to a bus stop at the junction with Haworth Street.

She was last seen by the manager of the Sainsbury's on Beverley Road as he locked up, at around midnight.

12.03am.
PR seen at his car on Haworth Street


From the above, the time in Endsleigh narrows to a minute or two at most. Perhaps this is why it is not being given very much weight by the Prosecution.

So quite literally gets half way to the end of her road. Encounters PR very briefly and then turns round and heads back to danger at the bench.

PR not seen by these people so is clearly out of view (easy at that location) but not quite back at his car on spider cam.

Basically just sounds like they walked in to Endsleigh Centre and straight out again

 

[martenwearer]

The second video here is interesting tho I haven't watched it all yet.

He also gives views of the river which I think show it would be very difficult for Libby to fall into it. She could fall into mud but not into currents.

I'm not sure what the tide was when the video was recorded but @Mommysleuth11 has already said it wasn't high tide till 2.30 in the morning when Libby went missing

The mud looks quite thick. Could she have got stuck? Any chance PR went in the water also? He said he had a bath though

 

[JosieJo]

Be patient the trial hasn't started yet!

Likely the CCTV forensic will cover this in testimony

Patience is never my strong point ..my mind is constantly running !

 

[DiploRed]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but PR and Libby first met at the Endsleigh centre and spent a couple of minutes together then he returns to his car alone right? He says this was because he wanted to warm the car up for her but that makes no sense because while he was doing that she was sort of just sitting in the snow? So why would he lie about this moment? I think the only reason he'd lie is because she refused his help on the first meeting, then he returns to his car and waits for the other car to leave and then he returns to Libby and forces her to go with him.

 

[Newthoughts]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but PR and Libby first met at the Endsleigh centre and spent a couple of minutes together then he returns to his car alone right? He says this was because he wanted to warm the car up for her but that makes no sense because while he was doing that she was sort of just sitting in the snow? So why would he lie about this moment? I think the only reason he'd lie is because she refused his help on the first meeting, then he returns to his car and waits for the other car to leave and then he returns to Libby and forces her to go with him.

Could be. it's clear now that he was only waiting for that car to leave. But what I don't get is she was nearly home at the Endsleigh centre yet turned back.

The only thing I can think of is her lost keys and the fact Beverley road is a well lit main road but Wellesley Avenue isn't. Plus PR had masturbated over a student door in her street days before which I'm sure she'd have heard about and worried about.

But by this time she'd also have been really cold so it is possible he played the good samaritan at just the right point in her distress.

He could take her home and let her wait in his warm car till her friends returned and of course who better to remind her there'd been a creepy pervert in street recently.

But the broken watch makes me think she didn't get in totally willingly. Perhaps in two minds.

 

[LucyRocket]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but PR and Libby first met at the Endsleigh centre and spent a couple of minutes together then he returns to his car alone right? He says this was because he wanted to warm the car up for her but that makes no sense because while he was doing that she was sort of just sitting in the snow? So why would he lie about this moment? I think the only reason he'd lie is because she refused his help on the first meeting, then he returns to his car and waits for the other car to leave and then he returns to Libby and forces her to go with him.

Preparing the car? Adjusting the position of the passenger seat?

 

[HollyHunter9]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but PR and Libby first met at the Endsleigh centre and spent a couple of minutes together then he returns to his car alone right? He says this was because he wanted to warm the car up for her but that makes no sense because while he was doing that she was sort of just sitting in the snow? So why would he lie about this moment? I think the only reason he'd lie is because she refused his help on the first meeting, then he returns to his car and waits for the other car to leave and then he returns to Libby and forces her to go with him.

That's a really good observation

 

[porkypies]

I think the answer is sometimes. Because its a tidal river it varies so much, closer to the town centre for example it swings between brimming close to the bank and a trickle down the middle of the mud flats. Its actually quite something to see if you cross the river at various different times. I think the high tide that night/morning was around 2.30am. Its also pretty full of silt/mud and rarely (if ever to my knowledge) dredged so it can build up areas where its more shallow.

It's occurred to me that the reason he went back to the park around 2.30am was either to check if the tide had taken her body downriver and away, or to place her in the river then, so that it would take her body quickly from the site, he did do fishing, he would understand tides.

 

[Offaly]

From cctv

11.57pm
Libby is seen walking up Beverley Road towards the Endsleigh centre

PR is then seen crossing from the other side of Beverley Road to catch up with her at the Endsleigh centre and they go into the grounds.

11.58pm
would be best estimate for that timing

They are captured on cctv leaving the Endsleigh centre , no time given.

12.03am.
PR seen at his car on Haworth Street


So maximum time inside Endsleigh has to be 3- 4 minutes

So the time in ensleigh maybe was used by him to gain her trust as a taxi driver etc, he may have said my car is that direction (indicating towards Haworth street) and they both walked that direction. Remember Libby was walking towards ensleigh centre before being intercepted by PR. He went ahead to get the car and wait for Renault and bike rider to go. She might have thought he'd left her after promising her a safe lift home and in despair shouted don't leave me. Whether she said it or not, she certainly wasn't agreeing to being driven off to a dark park, raped and ending up dead in a river. Poor poor girl.

 

[Newthoughts]

Preparing the car? Adjusting the position of the passenger seat?

He didn't tho cos we have already seen that on CCTV. He literally just sits there waiting till the other car goes, walks back towards Beverley Road, returns with Libby and drives off.
https://www-mirror-co-uk.cdn.amppro...-news/libby-squires-dad-leaves-court-23311711

 

[Cherwell]

But what I don't get is she was nearly home at the Endsleigh centre yet turned back. The only thing I can think of is her lost keys and the fact Beverley road is a well lit main road but Wellesley Avenue isn't.

You have to remember that she was drunk and probably hypothermic. She may not have been fully aware of where she was.

 

[DiploRed]

Could be. it's clear now that he was only waiting for that car to leave. But what I don't get is she was nearly home at the Endsleigh centre yet turned back.

The only thing I can think of is her lost keys and the fact Beverley road is a well lit main road but Wellesley Avenue isn't. Plus PR had masturbated over a student door in her street days before which I'm sure she'd have heard about and worried about.

But by this time she'd also have been really cold so it is possible he played the good samaritan at just the right point in her distress.

He could take her home and let her wait in his warm car till her friends returned and of course who better to remind her there'd been a creepy pervert in street recently.

But the broken watch makes me think she didn't get in totally willingly. Perhaps in two minds.

She did lose her keys in the garden of some student's house that she had entered a short time earlier. The problem is according to the taxi driver and other witnesses, she never even attempted to enter her own house when she still had her keys with her. Also, I would assume she warmed up a bit after entering the student house even if just for a few moments and the taxi driver said she seemed quite alert, so I don't understand why she never tried to find her keys or asked the other students to help her find them and if they couldn't, why would she go to beverley road instead of some alternative option? This sequence of events is baffling.

 

[porkypies]

She did lose her keys in the garden of some student's house that she had entered a short time earlier. The problem is according to the taxi driver and other witnesses, she never even attempted to enter her own house when she still had her keys with her. Also, I would assume she warmed up a bit after entering the student house even if just for a few moments and the taxi driver said she seemed quite alert, so I don't understand why she never tried to find her keys or asked the other students to help her find them and if they couldn't, why would she go to beverley road instead of some alternative option? This sequence of events is baffling.

I don't think this is at all baffling, I think it's just the typical and normal affects of excess alcohol on a person's brain and senses and their ability to function, you wouldn't need to actually lose your keys to be unable to find them, and warming up a bit would make no difference.