UK- Major incident declared in Southport after multiple stabbings, 29 July 2024

[dotr]

Wondering if the perp as a 17 soon to be 18 years old, he 'aged' out of various programs/ special supports for special kids?
Maybe his appearances as a child in theater and tv made him think these opportunities will always be there for him, but a combination of aging and possibly a difficult personality, shut him out.

He might have been intimidated and enraged by happy, singing and dancing little girls, they are such an easy target, plus his cowardly act would be sure to attract worldwide attention.

Does he think in some twisted way that he got a raw deal in life, does he think he has to even the score somehow?
As in my earlier post, i still suspect it has something to do with twisted ideas he may have formed about the country his parents left, and recent mention in the news just prior to the murders.
Just speculation, imo, fwiw.

 

[Tortoise]

Maybe he recently got turned down for something, like an audition. Or something to do with a placement for further education. Just speculation.

 

[dotr]

How Southport mum told daughter about stabbing

Charlotte Brown had to tell her eight-year-old daughter Poppy her friend from school had been killed.

www.bbc.com

4 days ago Judith Moritz and Rebecca Wearn rbbm
''Charlotte Brown had an unimaginable task as a mother.

She had to tell her eight-year-old daughter Poppy that her friend from school, Alice Aguiar, had been killed in the Southport attack. And she also had to tell her little girl that a woman who ran a yoga class Poppy attended after school, Leanne Lucas, was also badly hurt.

“We’ve been open and honest - no question is a bad question,” she told the BBC.
“I think you have to let them ask the questions and you have to be ready to answer them.”

'Poppy told her mum Alice was a beautiful singer, who often got the choir solos. “She’ll be a big miss,” Poppy said.'

 

[QB2022]

What do you think the class represented?

I think he may have been a child who enjoyed performing and acting and for whatever reason stopped, wether that was because he wasn't getting roles or his mental health etc who knows. I think the taylor swift class may have symbolised everything he felt he could no longer do or felt he was wronged over. This is just MOO.

 

[Tortoise]

One child remains in hospital a week on from the fatal Southport stabbing attack, police have said.

Bebe King, six, Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, and Alice Dasilva Aguiar, nine, died after the stabbings at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class in Southport on 29 July.

Eight children and two adults were also seriously injured.

Merseyside Police said all of the casualties had been discharged with the exception of one child.

Southport stabbing: One child still in hospital a week on from attack

 

[Angleterre]

This has happened in my home town, only 2km from where I live. I have a retired police colleague whose daughter was at the class and our postman’s daughter Elsie, died.
We are a sleepy little seaside town and we just can’t comprehend what has happened here or why.

 

[Skigh]

This has happened in my home town, only 2km from where I live. I have a retired police colleague whose daughter was at the class and our postman’s daughter Elsie, died.
We are a sleepy little seaside town and we just can’t comprehend what has happened here or why.

I am so very sorry for the awful grief your lovely little town has had to endure.

 

[Dotta]

"Grieving Southport families​

lay flowers and blow bubbles​

a week after heartbreaking attack."​

Grieving Southport families lay flowers and blow bubbles at vigil

The tearful locals gathered outside Southport Town Hall where a sea of flowers, teddy bears and balloons covers the floors.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Parker Knoll]

I’m so sorry to read your post Angleterre, it’s been a good while since you were last on WS and I always enjoyed your take on cases.
What a tragic event for you to post on … condolences to all affected.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

This has happened in my home town, only 2km from where I live. I have a retired police colleague whose daughter was at the class and our postman’s daughter Elsie, died.
We are a sleepy little seaside town and we just can’t comprehend what has happened here or why.

It's good to see you back Angleterre. I'm so sorry for all of you and all you're being put through right now.

 

[Angleterre]

It's good to see you back Angleterre. I'm so sorry for all of you and all you're being put through right now.

Thank you so very much for the welcome and your words of support. I appreciate it, thank you

 

[Angleterre]

I’m so sorry to read your post Angleterre, it’s been a good while since you were last on WS and I always enjoyed your take on cases.
What a tragic event for you to post on … condolences to all affected.

Thank you for such a wonderful welcoming message and words of support. I appreciate it right now

 

[Angleterre]

"Grieving Southport families​

lay flowers and blow bubbles​

a week after heartbreaking attack."​

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Grieving Southport families lay flowers and blow bubbles at vigil

The tearful locals gathered outside Southport Town Hall where a sea of flowers, teddy bears and balloons covers the floors.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You should see it at the place where the massacre took place too Dotta unless you are a local and have already been too? . It’s unbelievable! And then this in the Centre of Southport and it is support not just country wide but I world wide too. So many people have shown such amazing support

 

[dotr]

Books of condolence for victims of Southport stabbings opened at Wirral town halls

Books of condolence in which the public to pay respects to the victims of a mass stabbing in Southport have been opened on Wirral.

www.wirralglobe.co.uk

'Books of condolence are now open for the public to sign at Birkenhead and Wallasey Town Halls (9am – 4pm, Monday to Friday) and tributes can also be made in the online book of condolence, by clicking here.'

"Along with other councils across Merseyside, we have lowered our flags as symbols of our support and compassion for everyone who has been affected by the terrible events."

 

[Skigh]

Children and teacher hospitalised in Southport horror discharged

Leanne Lucas, 35, was knifed in the back, arms and neck in the harrowing knife attack at a summer holiday Taylor Swift dance workshop she was leading in Southport.

www.dailymail.co.uk

All the children rushed to Alder Hey Children's Hospital after the horror stabbings in Southport last week have now been discharged, as has a hero dance teacher who used her own body as a shield to save lives.

Leanne Lucas, 35, was stabbed in the back, arms and neck in the harrowing knife attack at a summer holiday Taylor Swift dance workshop she was leading.

The former primary school teacher underwent life-saving surgery in the wake of the carnage at the Hart Space centre in the town.

 

[Smccat]

Children and teacher hospitalised in Southport horror discharged

Leanne Lucas, 35, was knifed in the back, arms and neck in the harrowing knife attack at a summer holiday Taylor Swift dance workshop she was leading in Southport.

www.dailymail.co.uk

All the children rushed to Alder Hey Children's Hospital after the horror stabbings in Southport last week have now been discharged, as has a hero dance teacher who used her own body as a shield to save lives.

Leanne Lucas, 35, was stabbed in the back, arms and neck in the harrowing knife attack at a summer holiday Taylor Swift dance workshop she was leading.

The former primary school teacher underwent life-saving surgery in the wake of the carnage at the Hart Space centre in the town.

Amazing news.

 

[Angleterre]

Wondering if the perp as a 17 soon to be 18 years old, he 'aged' out of various programs/ special supports for special kids?
Maybe his appearances as a child in theater and tv made him think these opportunities will always be there for him, but a combination of aging and possibly a difficult personality, shut him out.

He might have been intimidated and enraged by happy, singing and dancing little girls, they are such an easy target, plus his cowardly act would be sure to attract worldwide attention.

Does he think in some twisted way that he got a raw deal in life, does he think he has to even the score somehow?
As in my earlier post, i still suspect it has something to do with twisted ideas he may have formed about the country his parents left, and recent mention in the news just prior to the murders.
Just speculation, imo, fwiw.

The issue with this attack is that he must have planned it. I say this because the school holidays only started for the 6 weeks summer break on the Friday before hand. The event was moreso a word of mouth event with Leanne who runs it, only confirming it a few days prior as it going ahead. It’s a place that has only been opened about 1 to 1.5 years and it caters to soundbaths, mum to be yoga and a number of other yoga and Pilates classes. It’s not a dance studio per se. The perpetrator left BANKS
at 1130am and arrived at 1150 just prior to it closing . He clearly knew where it was which is difficult enough in itself unless you have been there because a lot of Southport people were not even aware it was there . He arrived in a taxi , so I’m order to have the most impact as they were leaving, he must have known how long the journey takes and exactly where it is. It’s not in an obvious location as you have to go down a little alleyway/narrow side street service road to get into the area which then opens up into a small number of business premises . And unless he had recce’d it or been there before ( apparently it is a majority female place) he wouldn’t have known where it was. Plus if it wasn’t targeted, why did he go straight to the studio where little girls were making bracelets and dancing and other activities, the most vulnerable group which would offer him the least resistance. In addition, he had a kitchen knife in his possession which is a curved blade. Now curved blade kitchen knives are not your ordinary knives, they are the likes of KUKRI Knives and similar which are extremely sharp. Even the most sharp knife in my kitchen block which has been recently sharpened, is blunt in comparison to one of these knives and it has its own thick leather sheaf to hold it in because it’s that sharp that if you don’t use a sheath and you grab it with just your fingers, its sharp enough to cut them off. When I got one I tested it as the promotion material stated , by holding up
a piece of A4 paper and using my sharpest knife, I couldn’t slice through the paper but using my Kukri knife, it went through a piece of A4 paper like a knife through soft butter. Here is an image of a curved kitchen knife.

 

[Dotta]

The issue with this attack is that he must have planned it. I say this because the school holidays only started for the 6 weeks summer break on the Friday before hand. The event was moreso a word of mouth event with Leanne who runs it, only confirming it a few days prior as it going ahead. It’s a place that has only been opened about 1 to 1.5 years and it caters to soundbaths, mum to be yoga and a number of other yoga and Pilates classes. It’s not a dance studio per se. The perpetrator left BANKS
at 1130am and arrived at 1150 just prior to it closing . He clearly knew where it was which is difficult enough in itself unless you have been there because a lot of Southport people were not even aware it was there . He arrived in a taxi , so I’m order to have the most impact as they were leaving, he must have known how long the journey takes and exactly where it is. It’s not in an obvious location as you have to go down a little alleyway/narrow side street service road to get into the area which then opens up into a small number of business premises . And unless he had recce’d it or been there before ( apparently it is a majority female place) he wouldn’t have known where it was. Plus if it wasn’t targeted, why did he go straight to the studio where little girls were making bracelets and dancing and other activities, the most vulnerable group which would offer him the least resistance. In addition, he had a kitchen knife in his possession which is a curved blade. Now curved blade kitchen knives are not your ordinary knives, they are the likes of KUKRI Knives and similar which are extremely sharp. Even the most sharp knife in my kitchen block which has been recently sharpened, is blunt in comparison to one of these knives and it has its own thick leather sheaf to hold it in because it’s that sharp that if you don’t use a sheath and you grab it with just your fingers, its sharp enough to cut them off. When I got one I tested it as the promotion material stated , by holding up
a piece of A4 paper and using my sharpest knife, I couldn’t slice through the paper but using my Kukri knife, it went through a piece of A4 paper like a knife through soft butter. Here is an image of a curved knife

I wonder how he got this knife
as I doubt it was used in the kitchen.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

The issue with this attack is that he must have planned it. I say this because the school holidays only started for the 6 weeks summer break on the Friday before hand. The event was moreso a word of mouth event with Leanne who runs it, only confirming it a few days prior as it going ahead. It’s a place that has only been opened about 1 to 1.5 years and it caters to soundbaths, mum to be yoga and a number of other yoga and Pilates classes. It’s not a dance studio per se. The perpetrator left BANKS
at 1130am and arrived at 1150 just prior to it closing . He clearly knew where it was which is difficult enough in itself unless you have been there because a lot of Southport people were not even aware it was there . He arrived in a taxi , so I’m order to have the most impact as they were leaving, he must have known how long the journey takes and exactly where it is. It’s not in an obvious location as you have to go down a little alleyway/narrow side street service road to get into the area which then opens up into a small number of business premises . And unless he had recce’d it or been there before ( apparently it is a majority female place) he wouldn’t have known where it was. Plus if it wasn’t targeted, why did he go straight to the studio where little girls were making bracelets and dancing and other activities, the most vulnerable group which would offer him the least resistance. In addition, he had a kitchen knife in his possession which is a curved blade. Now curved blade kitchen knives are not your ordinary knives, they are the likes of KUKRI Knives and similar which are extremely sharp. Even the most sharp knife in my kitchen block which has been recently sharpened, is blunt in comparison to one of these knives and it has its own thick leather sheaf to hold it in because it’s that sharp that if you don’t use a sheath and you grab it with just your fingers, its sharp enough to cut them off. When I got one I tested it as the promotion material stated , by holding up
a piece of A4 paper and using my sharpest knife, I couldn’t slice through the paper but using my Kukri knife, it went through a piece of A4 paper like a knife through soft butter. Here is an image of a curved kitchen knife.

Do you think a curved knife might have been chosen in order to do more damage? A higher chance of killing? JMO

 

[Angleterre]

I wonder how he got this knife
as I doubt it was used in the kitchen.

Easily obtained on Amazon or from manufacturers direct . Legally you are supposed to be 18 to take possession and he is in a few days so I don’t think a parcel delivery driver would have any objections handing it to him. He only has to say a fake dob when it is being delivered to a house as nobody checks unless it’s overly obvious that you are under 18