Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #10

[msmarple99]

I didn’t know NB had spoken to another parent at the school - that must have been updated.

Yes update IMO

 

[Coach]

Someone had mentioned about the harness being on inside. I’m sure there was a clip of Dan, PA and Willow walking outside so that could explain why Willow had the harness on inside (hadn‘t taken it off when they got back in).
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[Fishwick]

I didn’t know NB had spoken to another parent at the school - that must have been updated.

No that’s been there a while

Lancashire Constabulary - Missing Nicola Bulley - latest update

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

lancashire.police.uk

 

[Seamusosul]

I think the cops' protocol is to investigate as a possible offence anything where there is some evidence of such. The default, in other words, is that people are free to go about their lives without the cops checking up on them unless there's reasonable evidence of a crime. The significant difference between the official position of the cops and the more proactive views of outsiders (some of them ex-cops) is along this line, rather than along the line of competence I think. Where there appears to be an overwhelming likelihood of an accident, at what point should cops feel that they have a basis for a criminal investigation (and therefore to constrain some people's civil liberties and freedoms)? This case still seems to be a tragic accident; people urging the police to take more heavy-handed action based on speculation might not be thinking through the effect of the universalisation of that type of thinking on future police action. All that said, while human bodies can travel considerable distances in water courses, the shallowness of this particular riverbank slope where Nicola may have gone into the water (under 2ft deep at the putative point of entry on the day and rocky with plenty of handholds) combined with similarly shallow parts of the river the body would have had to travel such great distances across, does seem to be making the river-accident theory less overwhelming. Realistically, the cops will be combing over the lives of Nicola and those closest to her, albeit with the cooperation of the latter. If they do not find anything suspicious then the inquiry will have to end there as it will not have moved beyond a missing person inquiry. I, for one, hope that Nicola is not in the water. Whatever has happened, there is a chance that she is still alive somewhere. No-one can criticise the family for keeping hope alive that Nicola walked off of her own volition. If she did, and this still seems unlikely, then the reasons she did will pale into insignificance for her relieved loved ones.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

But the evidence/data is there on her account on the app. I urge everyone to look into the Strava data and zoom in on her movements around that area over time. While it will not be entirely accurate it definitely shows pacing and her making routine approaches towards the river.

I think there is still some question of exactly where the phone was intially found: on the bench, or on the ground near the bench?

I know the chances of this are slim, mostly because there are no reports of the phone being wet. But if Nicola fell in the water whilst holding the phone and threw it up onto the bank to free up her hands, the GPS on the phone would give a clear indicator of it having been out in the middle of the river.

Police have said the phone stopped moving at around 9:20 but they haven't said exactly where it was prior to that.

 

[cottonweaver]

A shocking development is the ghoul tourism which is now developing over this case. It now threatens to overburden the police who already have their hands full with a major inquiry and a level of media attention which is usually only seen in multiple murders. The shameless activities of these vigilantes will not help find Nicola. They will only divert valuable police resources. We armchair detectives may be speculating but at least we are not hindering.

Yep. Wild West out there. Saw that awful video of blokes haranguing owner of the riverside house ( the big, old house they misnamed as ' abandoned') Found that upsetting & although these kinds of fools don't represent the bulk of the good people who will have sought to help, it gives everybody a bad name.

I also wonder if that's due to US - UK true crime crossover. ( Haranguing suspects and their families, on pavements outside their homes. Different laws there)
( Plus monetisation - so many TC Youtubers these days)

 

[pineapple23]

Welcome to ws.
PA did say he called her, on her mobile and on WhatsApp. Also willow seemed a very friendly dog, especially with the interviewer, who he'd on recently met, sitting on the couch next to him, not say with the owner,. Just goes to show all dogs are different

My last dog, a border collie, was always keen to meet and greet strangers. In fact I used to feel like a spare part sometimes.The current dog, also a border collie, will only respond to me and no one else. He's like 'Talk to the hand'. So yes they are all different.

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

<modsnip> It's a high profile case media are all over him . What's the harm in updating people on his findings. It's more than the police are doing. So hes a good guy and hes media friendly? Dont see how that inherits the nonsensical jibes hes getting constantly on here.

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You can’t put Faulner in the same category as he isn’t a famous star. But when someone someone deliberately brags they’ve given to charity (could be a tenner) whilst standing in front of a helicopter and large detached house, it looks odd. On the one hand he’s repeatedly saying he gives to charity and does things for free, while on the other hand arriving in Lancashire by helicopter making sure it’s filmed, pictured standing by a helicopter in front a large detached house for some reason, and goes on and on and and on how he’s the top man in his field, has the best equipment ever, the best operators best divers, yet forgets to mention how he never found a drowned victim recently who popped up a few weeks later, and has never bragged about what cases he’s solved or victims he’s actually found. He didn’t solve the “man in the bag” and he was only in a bath. Unless he wanted to prove he hadn’t drowned while folded inside the locked bag.

 

[cottonweaver]

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Also noticed - in the transcript of the interview - that he works US hours ( He says he's usually 6 hrs behind UK time because his employer is US based)
Imagine the implications if she's not found? ( His company's work day overlaps with kids coming home from school but he'd be the main, sole parent )

 

[lvbut]

I didn’t know NB had spoken to another parent at the school - that must have been updated.

NB’s friend, Emma, said in the CH5 doc that she’d seen NB that morning at the school, had a brief chat, then waved her off to go about their busy days. (Not an exact quote.)

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

There is evidence it was high probability she was by the river, previous Strava data.

"The best predictor of future behaviour, is past behaviour".

If she was right at the edge of the river, there would not be visible slip marks. While GPS/Strava is not 100% accurate (it can be a few mtrs out), her account does - on multiple occasions - show her moving backwards and forwards, and in circles, near the river opposite the bench. With this depth of regular recorded movement, it IMO makes a fall likely.

It's completely feasible and credible that she was close to the river and fell in.

 

[Colorado303]

I'm yet to see Willow tied/restrained with string in any MSM???. Please link. TIA.

Thank you!!! I’ve been wondering what I missed.

 

[Miss_French]

I've now watched on catch-up. The only thing that I found a bit odd was PA saying that he was the one who usually put Willow in the car in the mornings, because in the most recently-released photo (see link below) NB appears to be about to do that herself. Plus the references in the documentary to the morning having been unusually organised - that struck me as strange

Partner of missing mother 'extremely distraught' amid river search

Paul Ansell tonight released a statement as the desperate search continues following Ms Bulley's disappearance in St Michael's on Wyre , Lancashire, on January 27.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'Usually' doesn't mean there can't be a difference in the routine.

'Unusually organised' wasn't in the transcript; it was "wasn't a lot of rushing" and "it was just nothing out of the ordinary. Everything was normal..."

 

[jk1874]

I don't really feel like he adds anything here that Police have not said.

There is at least 10 mins where she can be taken away, before the first witness arrives.

Obviously that is enough time. But it just seems highly unlikely to me. Normally with that kind of attack, she will be remain somewhere close by - she is an adult as a opposed to a child and can put up significant resistance.

If she was incapacitated, it seems again highly unlikely someone is going to carry her off to a vehicle, in an area where people are frequently wandering around?

Plus the dog would have gone crazy!!

 

[russeverton]

There is evidence it was high probability she was by the river, previous Strava data.

"The best predictor of future behaviour, is past behaviour".

If she was right at the edge of the river, there would not be visible slip marks. While GPS/Strava is not 100% accurate (it can be a few mtrs out), her account does - on multiple occasions - show her moving backwards and forwards, and in circles, near the river opposite the bench. With this depth of regular recorded movement, it IMO makes a fall likely.

It's completely feasible and credible that she was close to the river and fell in.

How does this prove that someone who likes walking there dog on a regular basis near a river all of a sudden fell in one day without one shred of evidence ? We all know she walked regular near the river edge we have seen lots.of pics of her near the river and the dog happily swimming there. Some squigly lines near a river does not mean she fell in and drown does.it? All the proves is she enjoyed walking her dog

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

I think there is still some question of exactly where the phone was intially found: on the bench, or on the ground near the bench?

I know the chances of this are slim, mostly because there are no reports of the phone being wet. But if Nicola fell in the water whilst holding the phone and threw it up onto the bank to free up her hands, the GPS on the phone would give a clear indicator of it having been out in the middle of the river.

Police have said the phone stopped moving at around 9:20 but they haven't said exactly where it was prior to that.

The idea that she threw the phone as she was falling and it landed near the bench is fanciful. It's really some distance and up a slope - look at photos - and has a concrete surround.

As far as I recall the police have confirmed the phone was on the bench. Makes perfect sense given the conference call and loudspeaker. But even if it wasn't, an agitated dog could have knocked it off. People keep going around in circles on this. Does not really affect the slipping scenario...

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

Urm how about with a gun or a knife. Or a attack from behind ?? There was no witnesses around from 9.20 to 9.33 nobody reported seeing nb in that time. Why would there be signs of a struggle if attacked from behind or threatened with a gun?? Who says they left the area at that time? So a woman has never been abducted before in daylight? Madness .

She’d have screamed, its a natural reflex. You’d fight for your life. She wouldn’t have meekly walked off with a man holding a gun at her head! Plus, there were people around during what would’ve been a 10 minute walk. Of course she would have screamed, and how about on that busy rush hour stretch of road? Do you think she wouldn’t have screamed then when people are cars we’re going by? She, stood there with a man holding a gun to her head?

And how about Willow? She’d have barked furiously and followed them!

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[Darling136]

This thread will soon move to the next on, please slow down for closure

 

[Bluesleuth66]

There’s not much to talk about on a closed deal

There’s not much to talk about on a closed deal - it’s done.

Sure but when you're in sales it's nice to show your success particularly if it is a fairly competitive team. It may not have been a sales meeting though - could just of been a briefing for the week.

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

I found the theory of accidental fall into the river and drowning unlikely as it requires a whole sequence of unfortunate events which, even by themselves are not impossible, taken together seem low likelihood. The bew information about the harness on the riverbed makes me question this and indicate she may indeed fell into the river.

I’m not sure if you agree or disagree, but I can tell you that long thick stuff corn-like weeding that is strewn across that slippery sloping bank is a real tripping hazard. It’s terrible stuff. I’ve tripped myself as it doesn’t “ give” and I’ve seen others trip forwards too.