Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #10

[russeverton]

Walking dogs for decades I know how things wor.

sticks: dogs love sticks and there’s hundreds of sticks all around - have you not noticed all the trees? How would anyone know which sticks Willow had been playing with? That’s impossible.

It absolute is slippery there. It’s thick wet mud saturated by the river water. It’s on a sloping bank and even the divers occasionally slipped before being stopped. All banks are wet as the river is wet. You must know that, surely?

The river wasn’t just 2 ft deep that day, but however shallow a river is you can still drown even in just one foot of water. An expert RNLI said the shock of the very cold water when falling in could make you involuntarily gasp inhaling water which would fill your lungs. Makes no difference on your swimming ability. And that bank is steep. He said he’d have trouble getting out if he fell in and he’s an expert swimming instructor and lifeguard in open waters.

There is no sign of anyone slipping. If its wet its muddy there would be a slip mark. Surly you know that dont you? People go swimming and surfing in cold water all the time everyone who enters cold water doesn't automatically go.into shock and drown. And again the main thing is where is the body? They have searched the river and and now the sea for over 2 weeks where is it? A expert who searched for 3 days claims it's not there I am more entitled to believe him than some fairy tale about her falling in the river with zero evidence and zero signs she fell in or was even remotely near the river. Nor was the dog

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

Not sure of the relevance tbh but yes - I've thought precisely that. If it was a sales meeting and if she had just closed a deal she would want to talk about it I would have thought, so just to listen in is odd.

I'm not sure if thee police can confirm the phone was muted throughout the chat. Maybe she popped on and then off again. Possible, I guess.

There’s not much to talk about on a closed deal - it’s done.

 

[cottonweaver]

He definitely crossed the boundaries on a number of occasions imo. Would love to be a fly on the wall at Lancs Police headquarters.

ditto at HQ of the volunteer staffed RNLI and volunteer-staffed Bowland mountain rescue who've also been involved with the search for many days but have said nothing and just got on with the job in the cold, the wet and the dark

 

[Lilly b]

I still feel that the most likely explanation is the one Lancs police still believe in - that Nicola fell in to the river.

Far too much is being made by the media - prompted by a certain widely quoted "expert" - of the failure to find a body. But just a quick Google of some fairly recent cases shows that it's not at all unusual for a body to remain undiscovered in a river for two or three months.

Just last week, Russell Tomlinson was found in the River Weaver in Cheshire over two months after he fell in. Police divers had failed to find him. He was found about a mile from where he was last seen.

In 2020, Mark Maclay fell in to the River Wey at Farnham. Police divers and Peter Faulding's team failed to find him. He was eventually found over three months later, just a few hundred metres from where it was believed he had fallen in.

In 2017, Mary Yap fell in to the River Teme near Worcester. Specialist Group International spent several days looking for her, including a sonar search. They found nothing. She was eventually found seven weeks later, about ten miles downstream from where it is believed she fell in.

So clearly it is not at all unusual for a body in a river to evade professional searchers. The fact that no body has been found yet proves nothing. Yet if you read the papers, you'd think it was impossible that she is still in that river.

It's easy to see why the police are sceptical about the other two possibilities (abduction & choosing to go missing). This happened in the middle of a fairly small area (about 0.2 square kilometres) completely bounded by a river and a busy A road. The area has a steady trickle of dog walkers and others, and all exists are either covered by CCTV or (in the case of the river path exit on to the A586) would be nigh on impossible for an abductor to remove a woman from the scene without being seen.

So despite some of the ridiculous criticism of the police, it seems to me that they are simply applying Occam's Razor here - a fall in the river is by far the most plausible explanation.

From your post. 'was found about a mile from where he was last seen'. So the body did not travel far, as that Peter has been saying all along about cases like this

 

[russeverton]

Maria Rawlings, while it wasn’t daylight, walked alongside her killer until the point she was taken into a bushed area attacked and ultimately killed. It happens, with the very real threat of a weapon it’s unlikely she would struggle or scream.

I am staggered by his comments . I could bring up 100s of cases . I mean the one where a woman was on a cruise with her family was abducted in the morning with witness around and taken off the boat at a later time . Explain that?

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

Another question is whose dog is it ?

I mean who originally chose to have a dog in the household?

This can make a big difference to someone's attitude towards a dog. Not everyone likes dogs. Some will just tolerate them.

My sister has a Spaniel which her ex husband decided to get for their daughter who lives with him. My sister dislikes dogs but as it is for the daughter she will tolerate caring for the dog now and then. She really does not like the dog though. It is a strong dislike. The dog knows this.

So in the case of the MP was she a dog lover or was she walking the dog out of duty for the family.

This could make a difference to the behaviour of the dog and the MP.

She adored the dog going by her posts and photos with her.

 

[russeverton]

same here, but that wasn't the topic you brought up which I was replying to.
It was about him telling the public about donating a supposed fee from the Mail.

Ok hes a bit too media friendly personally I dont have a problem with it. Hes entitled to speak to who he wants

 

[DetectiBamby]

I've been looking at this website for Years, now joined. This case is baffling and it reasonates with me because i walk my dogs rurally day and night alone. I have two bulldog type dogs weighing 70kg plus combined and they would bring a person down if there was any trouble , being a guarding breed. A friendly springer would be different. I did stumble into a ditch once in the middle of winter, which had freezing water in up to waist height, it took me by surprise and the cold water took my breath away, I managed to get out but my wellies were stuck . I had to pull my outer clothing off as it was so heavy with water made it home ok. I often sit on various benches on my walks and sometimes things do happen like another dog or animal will appear and i need to leash , the dog will poop , I will go and find a stick to throw, I'll leave my phone and vape on the bench . I wouldn't go far though unless there was a major incident. I have encountered lots of very nasty people out walking my dog/dogs who have abused me verbally in an appalling Manner, accused my dog of doing things he didn't do, so much so I carry a body cam with me when walking now for mine and dogs protection. I really don't know what happened in this case I just hope she is found the poor family it must be agonising for them. The person who did the strada research well done , I agree should report to police.

 

[Cluella DeVille]

Not sure of the relevance tbh but yes - I've thought precisely that. If it was a sales meeting and if she had just closed a deal she would want to talk about it I would have thought, so just to listen in is odd.

I'm not sure if thee police can confirm the phone was muted throughout the chat. Maybe she popped on and then off again. Possible, I guess.

Having worked in residential sales and with mortgage advisors, there were morning meetings every day to discuss the week to date and forthcoming plans, clients requiring referral to the mortgage consultant etc. NB may not have necessarily needed to provide input into the discussions but may well have been required or wanted to listen in as a matter of course. Also it's possible she wasn't actually working that day or she was listening in for the purpose of announcements, end of month targets etc

 

[jk1874]

The guy has an alibi.

It's a grisly thought but I think it would be very subjective to the person and the circumstances. There would be various variables involved. For example, if a weapon was brandished by the perp to immediately scare the victim into silence. Or the shock of the situation would send a lot of people into a frozen shock that would probably render them unable to scream/be vocal. It would definitely be a fight or flight situation, depending on a number of variables. Another factor would be how the person might usually respond to a situation of threat. Me being me (and having grown up with an aggressive father) would absolutely lost my sh-- . It would bring out the fighter in me, definitely.

If there was no weapon visible, I reckon my own instincts (and temperament) would make me scream at the top of my lungs, but then again, I might also be stunned into frozen shock mode. It's incredibly hard to gauge how any given person might respond in such a horrific scenario, and hopefully something none of us will ever have to go through

The dog would go crazy though! If she didn't have a dog with her, then this makes sense

 

[Fishwick]

From your post. 'was found about a mile from where he was last seen'. So the body did not travel far, as that Peter has been saying all along about cases like this

But also…he missed it. He’s making out that he would definitely find a body if it was there - there’s plenty of evidence that that isn’t the case.

 

[ginnyw]

I've now watched on catch-up. The only thing that I found a bit odd was PA saying that he was the one who usually put Willow in the car in the mornings, because in the most recently-released photo (see link below) NB appears to be about to do that herself. Plus the references in the documentary to the morning having been unusually organised - that struck me as strange but I don't of course know what it may or may not mean. An argument the night before? Wanting to get everything ready quickly for some sort of appointment or plan? JMO. It seemed - odd. I am absolutely in no way doubting PA's grief which IMO was clearly visible and I felt very sad watching it.

Partner of missing mother 'extremely distraught' amid river search

Paul Ansell tonight released a statement as the desperate search continues following Ms Bulley's disappearance in St Michael's on Wyre , Lancashire, on January 27.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[cottonweaver]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> It's a high profile case media are all over him . What's the harm in updating people on his findings. It's more than the police are doing. So hes a good guy and hes media friendly? Dont see how that inherits the nonsensical jibes hes getting constantly on here.

sorry but I just have to respond to that because I also see it repeated all over social media & also heard somebody claim on TV that lancs police had no media strategy too

so...

in the last 14 days

• 3 press conferences
• Constant updating to the Lancs Police official website - 8 times here Lancashire Constabulary - Search Results
• More detailed info supplied to public than in many cases ( eg timelines & narratives)
• Multiple appeals and press releases to msm as well as comms directly via their social media accounts
• Multiple interviews by the Superintendent and the Chief Inspector of Police
• have also added links for 6 interviews/appeals/statements etc here:

Found Deceased - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #10

So many options...all of them really sad. MH history/diagnosis Medical history -history of faints, seizuresz medication that might have made her more vulnerable to an accident near a river etc. Some recent bad news/arguments/conflict. Eg I notice that they're talked about the last text she sent...

www.websleuths.com

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

If we look at where NB was last sighted it is within a stones throw of the mobile homes site and on Google there is an area that cars can access almost up to the field on this site..
So
If the body is not in the water then could NB have been abducted to the mobile homes site and bundled into a vehicle.
The vehicle could then exit the mobile home site and out onto the main road and today be anywhere.

Is there a connection between the shabby red van being searched for and the above theory. If there were two abductors, one could have placed phone and lead / harness at bench.

They would not want to take NB phone with them as that would have left a trail.

I believe that Police have set themselves up for criticism of naivety by insisting on river theory.

I believe that they have been duped. CCTV immobilised.

In the Claudia Lawrence case, the cctv at the rear car park of her local pub was not working either and there was a theory there that she may have been taken from her house out the back door and along to pub car park and bundled into a vehicle.

Police need to get onto interviewing every vehicle driver on main road and for quite some time after the last sighting otherwise she will never be found.

They have already lost time here.

I read the mobile home caravan site is a holiday park and doesn’t have permanent homes, it’s for families or couples who want a break, maybe go fishing and relax in their pod cabins eating homegrown produce, homemade jams, free range eggs and watching the stars at night. There’s a lovely pub nearby that does excellent food and has a roaring log fire, so it all sounds pretty idyllic.

Whilst that doesn’t mean an abductor couldn’t book a stay there, it does mean that all the people holidaying there at that time will be logged and found. So the likelihood of someone from there taking NIcola is rather a stretch….

I also suspect that if the “ tatty red van” seen parked by a shop or garage for a short time was a luxurious shiny motorhome or beautiful Bentley, they wouldn’t connect It with her disappearance. They’re connecting it because it’s “ tatty “, but many skilled tradesmen drive tatty vans when they’re going to jobs where it could be dirty, muddy and full of rubble.

 

[Saharadust]

First post so hope I don't break any rules. Having watched C5 last night I have a few niggles ...
PA said when NB didn't arrive home at the usual time he was going to look for her then the school rang, surely the first thing you would do if you were worried is call that person. PA said he took Willow down to the bench area the day after NB went missing and Willow just wanted to go for a walk (no reaction).

I've always thought there must have been a third party there (not pointing any fingers) and someone who Willow knew, she's a Springer Spaniel who are highly intelligent and protective of their masters if there is a problem. We know NB would never have left Willow alone so that third party must have been someone Willow knew, even if she couldn't get out of the gate she would have been in panic mode once she lost sight of NB and found a way to get through the bushes, she knows the area very well and when PA took Willow back to the site its very odd that she didn't react in some way.

 

[DickieDumDum]

I'm sure PF is very good at deploying and operating his sonar equipment, but he is demonstrably not an expert when it comes to the flow of water, rivers, tides etc. This quote shows a childlike understanding of how rivers and tides work:

"Now if you take a football on a tidal river…when the tide goes out the the ball will go down the stream and then as soon as the tide turns it will come back in again. It'll end up back at the same place."

Search expert Peter Faulding says it's 'impossible' Nicola Bulley's body made it to the sea

 

[jackal67]

Quite an old fashioned view. Most modern parents I know absolutely share things equally.

Yes many do. But as a grandma I can say with certainty that many do not.

 

[BDL1960]

But she was slightly late to the call

MWT left the police, at the rank of detective constable , for a company specialising in removing chewing gum.

Self-promoting TV detective helped ruin the lives of innocent celebs

Sir Cliff Richard, Jim Davidson, Freddie Starr and Lord Brittan were all accused of abuse but never charged with an offence. 'Detective’ Mark Williams-Thomas publicised their names.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Exactly! ...and now he is a celebrity 'top cop'. How gullible people are.

Sounds like it to me. In the programme P said when he went downstairs everything was ready to go so it sounds like N wanted to get there sharpish in time for the teams meeting. I thought P came across completely natural and devastated and even said he called her twice when she was late getting back so for those trolls pointing fingers at him they’re very very wrong and need to stop it.

Agreed. Nothing inconsistent about his interview at all.

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

I also feel that the most reasonable explanation is the river. I do however wonder what her state of mind was like and what things were like the evening before. The night before was not mentioned in the documentary.

Her parents said she was in a very good mood the night before. She was excited at having closed a mortgage deal and was looking forward to a social meeting with a girlfriend and her children. She was in an excellent state of mind.

 

[Cuko]

Does anyone know if/where LE are searching today?