Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #10

[russeverton]

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It’s a 5/10 minute walk to the nearest exit.

How could anyone abduct a woman who’d be struggling and screaming with her dog follo and barking in broad daylight? There were people scattered everywhere!

Sound travels and people would have heard.

There would also have been signs left of a struggle.

That hypothesis has no cred IMO.

Urm how about with a gun or a knife. Or a attack from behind ?? There was no witnesses around from 9.20 to 9.33 nobody reported seeing nb in that time. Why would there be signs of a struggle if attacked from behind or threatened with a gun?? Who says they left the area at that time? So a woman has never been abducted before in daylight? Madness .

 

[GeorgeFormby]

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RE PF updating the media - I am honesty unsure as to why he is doing that. Its a police matter, and the police should update the media, not PF, or any other outside contractor (paid or unpaid). He's giving interviews all over the place, and he's changed his tune on a number of things, it all seems very odd. In my humble opinion, he should do his job, and be a nice person, without having to court the media attention and tell everybody he's a nice person. He could choose to decline media interviews, with a quick "its not really my position to comment on this, talk with the police, but we have found no body in the river"

 

[Coach]

In missing person investigations, I assume that the Police will look into phone record data and recent internet/computer activity and searches. I assume it would also be usual when someone is missing for them to look at their personal life, medical health record and their state of mind etc. I remember reading an interesting article a good few years ago and the heading or sub heading was something like nobody really knows what goes on behind closed doors.

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

And we can only guess the police may have assessed the same data to have some basis on which to take the stance that they have, that she has been known to approach the waters edge and probably did this time? If they have secured that information for the day in question it could explain the persistence in their beliefs

Indeed, I'm quite disappointed in myself I didn't check the Strava maps until now (being a big daily user of Strava in the past) I assumed they would not tell us much as I haven't seen NB's specific bench area movement activity mentioned elsewhere. Neither here nor by the police nor by MSM.

But the evidence/data is there on her account on the app. I urge everyone to look into the Strava data and zoom in on her movements around that area over time. While it will not be entirely accurate it definitely shows pacing and her making routine approaches towards the river.

 

[Nancy Drew 21]

Another question is whose dog is it ?

I mean who originally chose to have a dog in the household?

This can make a big difference to someone's attitude towards a dog. Not everyone likes dogs. Some will just tolerate them.

My sister has a Spaniel which her ex husband decided to get for their daughter who lives with him. My sister dislikes dogs but as it is for the daughter she will tolerate caring for the dog now and then. She really does not like the dog though. It is a strong dislike. The dog knows this.

So in the case of the MP was she a dog lover or was she walking the dog out of duty for the family.

This could make a difference to the behaviour of the dog and the MP.

It as said in the documentary last night that Willow was like their 3rd child and NB would never have left the dog alone in a field.

<modsnip>

It’s a 5/10 minute walk to the nearest exit.

How could anyone abduct a woman who’d be struggling and screaming with her dog follo and barking in broad daylight? There were people scattered everywhere!

Sound travels and people would have heard.

There would also have been signs left of a struggle.

That hypothesis has no cred IMO.

Would a woman being abducted automatically struggle and scream? I can't say I would automatically scream if I was terrified, I might be scared into silence, particularly is someone had a knife or was threatening to harm someone else if I didn't co-operate. I'm the same height and build as NB and very aware of how vulnerable my size makes me if confronted by someone else.

 

[mrjitty]

See Lindsay Birbeck and wheelie bin.

The more I look at this case, the more I believe it to be a tragic accident falling into the river. However, it is *feasible* that something happened to her at the bench or on one of the fields and she was moved afterwards (e.g. like Lindsay Birbeck).

And on the attack factor, an attack could also end up with someone in the water (e.g. like Libby Squire). The car took Libby from a residential road to a field but they moved across the field on *foot* and ended up at the back at the riverbank. The whole thing took minutes.

I mean I agree these things are possible - but this is a total edge case

 

[abovethestorm]

ok so what does it infer if things were more organised when he came down that morning?

IMO, perhaps her buoyant mood the evening before (as mentioned in the interview with her parents - Missing mum's parents sob on TV and insist disappearance 'out of character') points toward NB being in high spirits due to everything going so well for her the day before. High mood = high energy for me personally. Just guessing that it's similar for lots of us, JMO, MOO.

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

If the harness was on the embankment, is it possible that N could have slipped and tripped when she was trying to put it back on? Maybe Willow didn’t want it to go back on at that point and N possibly tripped over her.

Imo that's a awful lot of predictions unfounded and a hell of a lot of scenarios. Where is this stick she was throwing? Surly it's there as a piece of evidence. Why is it slippery? It wasn't raining. Where are the slip Mark's if it was raining.? I have heard it would be easy to get out of that part as it was shallow 2ft possibly 3 on the day. And there are steps to get out. Why would she panic? Shes a good athlete and swimmer. And the most important thing is where is the body? Underwater divers were in there searching hours later. You have had police searching from day 1. A specialist team with high tech equipment searching the river bed for miles and miles. And nothing. . No evidence what so ever she fell in and no evidence of a body in the river.

Walking dogs for decades I know how things wor.

sticks: dogs love sticks and there’s hundreds of sticks all around - have you not noticed all the trees? How would anyone know which sticks Willow had been playing with? That’s impossible.

It absolute is slippery there. It’s thick wet mud saturated by the river water. It’s on a sloping bank and even the divers occasionally slipped before being stopped. All banks are wet as the river is wet. You must know that, surely?

The river wasn’t just 2 ft deep that day, but however shallow a river is you can still drown even in just one foot of water. An expert RNLI said the shock of the very cold water when falling in could make you involuntarily gasp inhaling water which would fill your lungs. Makes no difference on your swimming ability. And that bank is steep. He said he’d have trouble getting out if he fell in and he’s an expert swimming instructor and lifeguard in open waters.

 

[Cluella DeVille]

The Mirror quoted Faulding as saying:

"I spoke to Paul last night and asked him if she had any enemies, any stalkers, the normal questions you would ask."

Actually this strikes me as an extraordinary question for a man hired to search the river to be asking. Yet the media continue to hang on Faulding's every word as if he were Sherlock Holmes.

In the most recent Lancs Police update they said: "We also continue to see a huge amount of commentary from so-called experts". You can draw your own conclusions from that.

In the context of a missing partner with a number of possibilities as to what might have occurred, it seems a perfectly normal question in the course of trying to make some sense of avenues he might have expressed. IMO there is some under estimation as to the depth of PF's experience and knowledge, he and Paul have clearly formed a trusted bond that can't be criticised. Personally I have every admiration for PF's input and feel he's added another dimension to what we normally see in these investigations. It's clear he's not the shy retiring type and displays a great deal of confidence, but I've found his views and feedback interesting

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

I mean I agree these things are possible - but this is a total edge case

The most likely scenario is that she is in the water and fell in accidentally. But if she is never found in the water and no more evidence comes to light, all these other potentials - however unlikely - will become increasingly important. Will be another Claudia Lawrence.

 

[BDL1960]

He definitely crossed the boundaries on a number of occasions imo. Would love to be a fly on the wall at Lancs Police headquarters.

A shameless self-publicist in my view who, whilst having excellent credentials is now believing his own publicity of being a one-man crime fighter. He has crossed the line and is becoming a hindrance to the investigation. He didn't find NB 'in an hour' as he initially boasted he would so is now becoming a thorn in the side of the investigators and is in danger of driving a wedge between LP and the family. He needs to back off. He is a tactical advisor not the SIO.

 

[SpursGyal]

Urm how about with a gun or a knife. Or a attack from behind ?? There was no witnesses around from 9.20 to 9.33 nobody reported seeing nb in that time. Why would there be signs of a struggle if attacked from behind or threatened with a gun?? Who says they left the area at that time? So a woman has never been abducted before in daylight? Madness .

Maria Rawlings, while it wasn’t daylight, walked alongside her killer until the point she was taken into a bushed area attacked and ultimately killed. It happens, with the very real threat of a weapon it’s unlikely she would struggle or scream.

 

[mrjitty]

Indeed, I'm quite disappointed in myself I didn't check the Strava maps until now (being a big daily user of Strava in the past) I assumed they would not tell us much as I haven't seen NB's specific bench area movement activity mentioned elsewhere. Neither here nor by the police nor by MSM.

But the evidence/data is there on her account on the app. I urge everyone to look into the Strava data and zoom in on her movements around that area over time. While it will not be entirely accurate it definitely shows pacing and her making routine approaches towards the river.

RSBM

I am not surprised to see this. I have quite high daily step goals, so especially on calls, i make circuits around an area.

Makes even more sense if you have a dog with you.

I think the phone location data gives them at least a rough outline of her circuits that day.

 

[Lilly b]

I thought participants of those meetings were commonly on mute and it was not unusual?

Agree, and if people don't use teams they won't know. And some meetings are not necessarily where everyone participates,. I do think it needs to stop, all the comments on about the teams call, just fills up the threads too much imo

 

[cottonweaver]

Put it this way if i had a loved one missing and someone 250 miles away offered is expertise and thoughts and 3 days of his time to search for them with specialised equipment free of charge I would think wow and be extremely grateful

same here, but that wasn't the topic you brought up which I was replying to.
It was about him telling the public about donating a supposed fee from the Mail.

 

[abovethestorm]

Respectfully, I don't find this significant given police have repeatedly ruled out foul play -- most recently by the same MSM publication but hours following OPs quoted link.

IMO, the two hours between NB's last sighting and NB being reported missing to police is easily explained by her normal routine.

For example, if one routinely drives the children to school, walks the dog, and is not expected to be home before 11 AM, why would you think they are missing any time before that hour?

I think this kind of reporting only throws suspicion on the partner that allegedly filed the missing person report with the police. MOO

Police have ruled out foul play and are treating the incident as a missing person inquiry, believing Ms Bulley fell into the water.

Nicola Bulley's partner lays bare couple's marriage plan

Paul Ansell has insisted the missing mum "is coming home" as he launched a fresh appeal.

www.express.co.uk

PA said NB is usually back by 9.45-10AM, not 11AM. And for the record, FWIW, I believe him to be innocent of any wrongdoing, IMO, JMO, MOO.

 

[PremierKissov]

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It’s a 5/10 minute walk to the nearest exit.

How could anyone abduct a woman who’d be struggling and screaming with her dog follo and barking in broad daylight? There were people scattered everywhere!

Sound travels and people would have heard.

There would also have been signs left of a struggle.

That hypothesis has no cred IMO.

Agree. How does an abductor remove Nicola from the area? The police say all exits are covered by CCTV save for the river path. Suppose an abductor somehow bundled her down that path, what would he do when he emerged on to the A586 road? He could not have had a vehicle parked there waiting - it's a fairly narrow road next to a hump back bridge, anybody parked there would have attracted the attention of numerous passing drivers. So he would have had to either march or carry her over the bridge or in the other direction towards a row of houses. It's hard to imagine any of this happening without somebody seeing something.

 

[Luke84]

It’s perfectly feasible that while N was listening into the teams meeting she had her phone placed on the bench, P said she often used loudspeaker. She had it in mute and with camera off too, like many do, and as she listened she most likely would have have had the dog off the lead and was possibly throwing sticks for her to round around.

iMO she could have thrown a stick which went almost to the river’s edge, W went to get it and she feared she might jump in and didn’t want her to so dashed down to pull her up by her harness. That sloping bank is wet and slippery and filled with hard long stars of corn type weeds which are rough as hell. It’s so easy to trip over one and IMO she she fell possibly headfirst into the river then fried to grab W’s harness to pull herself up. The harness slipped off in the struggle and that‘s why it was found where it was.

She then panicked as she couldn’t get out the river ( divers have said how difficult it would be) and tragically she got swept under or along. The other problem is that she was wearing dark blue and black clothes which were the same colour as the water, so unless someone was actually looking she wouldn’t have been noticed. The other problem is that air pockets may formed between her gillet and jacket making her buoyant enough to be swept over through the tidal flow and over the weir. Eventually she would have sunk, obviously.

The biggest sign that she disappeared at that spot is that the harness was so close to the river and the dog was running between the bench where her scent was strongest and between the gate trying to get help without knowing how to as it’s a dog.

Thats my IMO and I think tragically she may resurface in the sea or further down river. I wish I could believe all these other theories but I haven’t read one that is logical IMO.

I found the theory of accidental fall into the river and drowning unlikely as it requires a whole sequence of unfortunate events which, even by themselves are not impossible, taken together seem low likelihood. The bew information about the harness on the riverbed makes me question this and indicate she may indeed fell into the river.

 

[Cherrycola88]

It as said in the documentary last night that Willow was like their 3rd child and NB would never have left the dog alone in a field.


Would a woman being abducted automatically struggle and scream? I can't say I would automatically scream if I was terrified, I might be scared into silence, particularly is someone had a knife or was threatening to harm someone else if I didn't co-operate. I'm the same height and build as NB and very aware of how vulnerable my size makes me if confronted by someone else.

It's a grisly thought but I think it would be very subjective to the person and the circumstances. There would be various variables involved. For example, if a weapon was brandished by the perp to immediately scare the victim into silence. Or the shock of the situation would send a lot of people into a frozen shock that would probably render them unable to scream/be vocal. It would definitely be a fight or flight situation. Another factor would be how the person might usually respond to a situation of threat. Me being me (and having grown up with an aggressive father) would absolutely lose my sh-- . It would bring out the fighter in me, definitely.

If there was no weapon visible, I reckon my own instincts (and temperament) would make me scream at the top of my lungs, but then again, I might also be stunned into frozen shock mode. It's incredibly hard to gauge how any given person might respond in such a horrific scenario, and hopefully something none of us will ever have to go through.

 

[jk1874]

It as said in the documentary last night that Willow was like their 3rd child and NB would never have left the dog alone in a field.


Would a woman being abducted automatically struggle and scream? I can't say I would automatically scream if I was terrified, I might be scared into silence, particularly is someone had a knife or was threatening to harm someone else if I didn't co-operate. I'm the same height and build as NB and very aware of how vulnerable my size makes me if confronted by someone else.

The dog would surely bark though