Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #10

[Marathon88]

I see nothing at all odd about what PA said during the interview about that morning. Some mornings I am on it - everything is organised, we’re ready in plenty of time, might even be time for a game or reading. Other mornings it’s far more of a race. If I know I’ve got a work commitment either at the office or online at 9/9.30am I’ll ensure I’m well-organised to help things go smoothly.

To my mind PA is being very honest and vulnerable, knowing that the ‘safe’ option is to say ‘ It was a morning like any other…’.
JMO

 

[Mr X]

Earlier in one of the threads it was mentioned that LE had been assisted in their search by wildfowlers.

Does this mean that there people around there shooting ducks or other birds? Is it private land with shooting rights?

If so then would it be normal to hear gunshots ? I know of some areas where where regular fowling takes place and you would not think it unusual for shots to be heard randomly. These places have footpaths through them.

 

[jackal67]

I must have missed that part as I don’t recall the night before being mentioned but it could have been.

I watched the C5 interview and that was not mentioned it asked about just the morning

 

[Firstsnow4]

I also feel that the most reasonable explanation is the river. I do however wonder what her state of mind was like and what things were like the evening before. The night before was not mentioned in the documentary.

Yea I also wonder whether the face to face meeting with her boss the night before was delivering bad news. Especially the way the mortgage market is at the moment. JMO.

 

[russeverton]

sorry but I just have to respond to that because I also see it repeated all over social media & also heard somebody claim on TV that lancs police had no media strategy too

so...

in the last 14 days
3 press conferences
Constant updating to the Lancs Police official website - 8 times here Lancashire Constabulary - Search Results
Multiple appeals and press releases
Multiple interviews by the Superintendent and the the Chief Inspector of Police

have also added links for 6 interviews/appeals/statements etc here:

Found Deceased - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #10

So many options...all of them really sad. MH history/diagnosis Medical history -history of faints, seizuresz medication that might have made her more vulnerable to an accident near a river etc. Some recent bad news/arguments/conflict. Eg I notice that they're talked about the last text she sent...

www.websleuths.com

sorry but I just have to respond to that because I also see it repeated all over social media & also heard somebody claim on TV that lancs police had no media strategy too

so...

in the last 14 days

• 3 press conferences
• Constant updating to the Lancs Police official website - 8 times here Lancashire Constabulary - Search Results
• More detailed info supplied to public than in many cases ( eg timelines & narratives)
• Multiple appeals and press releases to msm as well as comms directly via their social media accounts
• Multiple interviews by the Superintendent and the Chief Inspector of Police
• have also added links for 6 interviews/appeals/statements etc here:

Found Deceased - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #10

So many options...all of them really sad. MH history/diagnosis Medical history -history of faints, seizuresz medication that might have made her more vulnerable to an accident near a river etc. Some recent bad news/arguments/conflict. Eg I notice that they're talked about the last text she sent...

www.websleuths.com

I only recall 2 press conferences the last one being 5 days ago. None of the other links you have posted offer a update on findings none. It's mainly appeals.

 

[PS8800]

Another question is whose dog is it ?

I mean who originally chose to have a dog in the household?

This can make a big difference to someone's attitude towards a dog. Not everyone likes dogs. Some will just tolerate them.

My sister has a Spaniel which her ex husband decided to get for their daughter who lives with him. My sister dislikes dogs but as it is for the daughter she will tolerate caring for the dog now and then. She really does not like the dog though. It is a strong dislike. The dog knows this.

So in the case of the MP was she a dog lover or was she walking the dog out of duty for the family.

This could make a difference to the behaviour of the dog and the MP.

Id be interested to know "whos" dog was Willow also?

 

[lvbut]

I find it odd that PA made his way to the bench but then was required to travel HOME to speak with the police.

I would imagine the police would get the most accurate information (e.g. where the dog, lead and harness etc was when he turned up) if they met him at the bench. He would have to describe from memory after leaving the scene. And how many people moved things in that time? As he states above "there were a few other dog walkers there and stuff like that".

And it doesn't seem right to require him to go home when his partner could've been in the water and visible. The police would not have had any of the mobile data then, just that her dog and phone were by a river but she was not. So, looks like initially they did not treat it as a drowning?

If there was a hunch NB might have gone into the river from the off, LE wouldn’t have wanted PA there. He might’ve put himself in danger trying to get to her in water, etc. (MOO)

 

[Lilly b]

First post so hope I don't break any rules. Having watched C5 last night I have a few niggles ...
PA said when NB didn't arrive home at the usual time he was going to look for her then the school rang, surely the first thing you would do if you were worried is call that person. PA said he took Willow down to the bench area the day after NB went missing and Willow just wanted to go for a walk (no reaction).

I've always thought there must have been a third party there (not pointing any fingers) and someone who Willow knew, she's a Springer Spaniel who are highly intelligent and protective of their masters if there is a problem. We know NB would never have left Willow alone so that third party must have been someone Willow knew, even if she couldn't get out of the gate she would have been in panic mode once she lost sight of NB and found a way to get through the bushes, she knows the area very well and when PA took Willow back to the site its very odd that she didn't react in some way.

Welcome to ws.
PA did say he called her, on her mobile and on WhatsApp. Also willow seemed a very friendly dog, especially with the interviewer, who he'd on recently met, sitting on the couch next to him, not say with the owner,. Just goes to show all dogs are different

 

[Marathon88]

I see nothing at all odd about what PA said during the interview about that morning. Some mornings I am on it - everything is organised, we’re ready in plenty of time, might even be time for a game or reading. Other mornings it’s far more of a race. If I know I’ve got a work commitment either at the office or online at 9/9.30am I’ll ensure I’m well-organised to help things go smoothly.

To my mind PA is being very honest and vulnerable, knowing that the ‘safe’ option is to say ‘ It was a morning like any other…’.
JMO

 

[Firstsnow4]

Back to the Police Timeline

Timeline

8.26am- Nicola leaves her home address with her children

8.40am- Nicola drops the children off at school and has a brief conversation with another parent.

I didn’t know NB had spoken to another parent at the school - that must have been updated.

 

[cottonweaver]

But she was slightly late to the call

MWT left the police, at the rank of detective constable , for a company specialising in removing chewing gum.

Self-promoting TV detective helped ruin the lives of innocent celebs

Sir Cliff Richard, Jim Davidson, Freddie Starr and Lord Brittan were all accused of abuse but never charged with an offence. 'Detective’ Mark Williams-Thomas publicised their names.

www.dailymail.co.uk

yeah, I don't want to get off topic and generalise too much but we really do seem to have a growing problem here uk generally, re weighing expertise and credibility of commentators. ( Might be wrong but feel UK's collective BS-o-meter not fully functional these days)
I'm not saying that is all our fault - the consumer's fault - there's an awful lot of cash being made in TV production, entertainment and media clicks.
And even in news, far too many interviews where even the reporters don't know anything about the case details so they don't know how to ask a follow-up question or query a response from the interviewee.

 

[Cluella DeVille]

Agree. How does an abductor remove Nicola from the area? The police say all exits are covered by CCTV save for the river path. Suppose an abductor somehow bundled her down that path, what would he do when he emerged on to the A586 road? He could not have had a vehicle parked there waiting - it's a fairly narrow road next to a hump back bridge, anybody parked there would have attracted the attention of numerous passing drivers. So he would have had to either march or carry her over the bridge or in the other direction towards a row of houses. It's hard to imagine any of this happening without somebody seeing something.

There is an assumption that someone being abducted would automatically be struggling and screaming, and whilst it would be 'expected' it's frequently not the case and amongst other things much would depend on whether the victim is unexpectedly subdued, the threat of a weapon, and whether or not the perpetrator is known to them. Millie Dowler disappeared within seconds and there was CCTV in the area she'd been seen on. Yet no one saw or heard a thing.
There is a need to think out of the box as to how someone could be removed from a public area without attracting obvious attention and...whilst this is certainly not my theory in this instance...concealing the victim inside something, such as a suitcase, and walking away. This is all hypothetical of course but until NB is found speculation remains just that

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

I still feel that the most likely explanation is the one Lancs police still believe in - that Nicola fell in to the river.

Far too much is being made by the media - prompted by a certain widely quoted "expert" - of the failure to find a body. But just a quick Google of some fairly recent cases shows that it's not at all unusual for a body to remain undiscovered in a river for two or three months.

Just last week, Russell Tomlinson was found in the River Weaver in Cheshire over two months after he fell in. Police divers had failed to find him. He was found about a mile from where he was last seen.

In 2020, Mark Maclay fell in to the River Wey at Farnham. Police divers and Peter Faulding's team failed to find him. He was eventually found over three months later, just a few hundred metres from where it was believed he had fallen in.

In 2017, Mary Yap fell in to the River Teme near Worcester. Specialist Group International spent several days looking for her, including a sonar search. They found nothing. She was eventually found seven weeks later, about ten miles downstream from where it is believed she fell in.

So clearly it is not at all unusual for a body in a river to evade professional searchers. The fact that no body has been found yet proves nothing. Yet if you read the papers, you'd think it was impossible that she is still in that river.

It's easy to see why the police are sceptical about the other two possibilities (abduction & choosing to go missing). This happened in the middle of a fairly small area (about 0.2 square kilometres) completely bounded by a river and a busy A road. The area has a steady trickle of dog walkers and others, and all exists are either covered by CCTV or (in the case of the river path exit on to the A586) would be nigh on impossible for an abductor to remove a woman from the scene without being seen.

So despite some of the ridiculous criticism of the police, it seems to me that they are simply applying Occam's Razor here - a fall in the river is by far the most plausible explanation.

I agree 100%

 

[Teabag57]

First post so hope I don't break any rules. Having watched C5 last night I have a few niggles ...
PA said when NB didn't arrive home at the usual time he was going to look for her then the school rang, surely the first thing you would do if you were worried is call that person. PA said he took Willow down to the bench area the day after NB went missing and Willow just wanted to go for a walk (no reaction).

I've always thought there must have been a third party there (not pointing any fingers) and someone who Willow knew, she's a Springer Spaniel who are highly intelligent and protective of their masters if there is a problem. We know NB would never have left Willow alone so that third party must have been someone Willow knew, even if she couldn't get out of the gate she would have been in panic mode once she lost sight of NB and found a way to get through the bushes, she knows the area very well and when PA took Willow back to the site its very odd that she didn't react in some way.

PA said he called her and also WhatsApp called her, no answer so then decided to go and have a look for her.

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

Here is my *theory* on what I believe happened.

NB set out on her usual walk, went around the lower field and then the upper field and the returned to the bench area and gate - as she often usually did.

Strava shows NB had a history of moving around in loops around the bench area between the bench and the river (see attached zoomed in image from her Strava account at the location of the bench). As she was on a conference call she placed the phone on the bench on loudspeaker and did what she *usually* did at this area. This may have been throwing sticks to the dog, for example. She was doing whatever normally made her move around by the river in loops. Nothing unusual.

Before or around the time that the conference call ended, NB had an accident whilst doing her usual routine and slipped/fell into the river. This is why the call was still logged on.

The person who first came across the scene did so relatively soon (seconds or minutes) after this happened, so instead of jumping in the water the dog immediately was drawn to them (either as stranger danger or to attract attention). Why the dog did not go in the water is a mystery but it may simply have been distracted, did not see NB fall in, or wanted the human to help.

I believe the person arrived after it was too late to save NB (e.g. no screams, perhaps cold water shock or head injury) but she could still have been visible. It is not stated that the first people on the scene checked the river.

The harness on the floor is perhaps a bit of a red herring. The dog or any person on the scene could have put it there. It also could be normal for her to leave it on the floor. Even if she slipped while putting the harness on the dog (e.g. and dropping it on the floor), it would only be a small part of the story. The key info to the narrative would be that she fell/slipped.

I am sceptical about it being "impossible" for her to be in the water. Time may tell.

Obviously, there are several other feasible scenarios but this seems most likely IMO. And it is the Strava data that has led me here. Thus, IMO tragic accident.

 

[BDL1960]

newish link ( published yesterday)

A woman living in Oxfordshire, who also shared anti-vaccine misinformation on Facebook, said she was able to “follow every aspect” because she was self-employed. She was adamant it was an “inside job” involving people close to Bulley after watching videos online, including one, shared thousands of times across different platforms, suggesting Bulley was kidnapped and taken through a nonexistent secret tunnel under the river to a nearby house.

Most of the more vocal speculators are based in other parts of the UK and have never visited the area but there are some who live locally who say they are frustrated at Lancashire constabulary for what they perceive is a lack of thoroughness.

Jamie McCormick, a graphic designer who lives a few miles away in Cleveleys, believes after visiting the scene there is “no evidence” she fell into the river, though he denies he is an armchair detective.

“If this is a case of a woman falling into a river and the police are tired of speculation, then just release the information that proves she’s in the river,” he said.

Many commenters told the Guardian they believed Peter Faulding, who runs the forensic diving company Specialist Group International, when he said after a day searching the Wyre it was “not feasible” Bulley had fallen in.'

Villagers criticise ‘ghouls’ visiting scene where Nicola Bulley went missing

Hundreds of people including online influencers and conspiracists have been arriving at St Michael’s on Wyre

www.theguardian.com

A shocking development is the ghoul tourism which is now developing over this case. It now threatens to overburden the police who already have their hands full with a major inquiry and a level of media attention which is usually only seen in multiple murders. The shameless activities of these vigilantes will not help find Nicola. They will only divert valuable police resources. We armchair detectives may be speculating but at least we are not hindering.

 

[Saharadust]

Welcome to ws.
PA did say he called her, on her mobile and on WhatsApp. Also willow seemed a very friendly dog, especially with the interviewer, who he'd on recently met, sitting on the couch next to him, not say with the owner,. Just goes to show all dogs are different

Thank you. Ah right I missed that bit about PA trying to call her. She was definitely very friendly with the interviewer, dogs know a dog lover. Still got these niggles about Willow though, if only she could talk.

 

[PS8800]

Not sure of the relevance tbh but yes - I've thought precisely that. If it was a sales meeting and if she had just closed a deal she would want to talk about it I would have thought, so just to listen in is odd.

I'm not sure if thee police can confirm the phone was muted throughout the chat. Maybe she popped on and then off again. Possible, I guess.

Other members on the call would have confirmed that maybe?

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

I've seen this reported, rather than watching the relevant section of interview myself, but didn't PA say they'd watched a bit of TV then headed to bed at different times?

Heading to bed at different times, say, by half an hour or so means nothing. Both I and many other couples I know often get into bed before/ after their partner. It doesn’t mean there’s a problem, it simply means one may be more tired, or want to read, or watch a different programme on the bedroom TV…all manner of things.

Theres nothing odd about that at all.

 

[Fishwick]

Thank you. Ah right I missed that bit about PA trying to call her. She was definitely very friendly with the interviewer, dogs know a dog lover. Still got these niggles about Willow though, if only she could talk.

As Wittgenstein said, “if Willow could talk, we would not understand her”.