Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #11

[4441]

I have missed lots of thread 9 and 10 because I can’t keep up. I was reading what I could on here this morning and I was reminded of an incident that happened to me.
I was sitting on a bench by the river Thames with headphones in listening to music. I was waiting to pick up my children and was alone. I was in my forties. When I got up to go there was a man standing a few meters behind me with his pants down and masturbating. It was horrible. He had probably been there for ages. He said something to me when I looked at him directly. There was no one else around even though this was busy London.
Up until now I have been of the opinion that NB has sadly fallen into the river because it is the most obvious scenario. However, there is a possibility that she was attacked and dragged off. There is the gate right behind where she was sitting.
Sometimes when woman are attacked/ assaulted or violated in some way, we are so shocked that we do not respond in the way you think you might. I have had several awful experiences and I have never managed to do the sensible thing or to call for help. It is strange because I am a really strong and outspoken person normally. Yet when I have been sexually assaulted in any way I have said nothing at all. So it is possible that something happened to NB and she was then driven off in a perpetrator’s vehicle.
One thing we do know is that there are evil people around with no care for other people’s lives. We see shocking cases all too often.

 

[Lilly b]

They've done them before with less knowledge...thinking back to the days of Crime watch. We know where she was seen based on witnesses....they could do a reconstruction based on the current timeline.

I think reconstruction was done more prior to all the technical stuff we have now, like the CCTV and dashcam etc etc,. But we don't know or do we know? There is no footage of NB, apart from at her house leaving that morning, so if there's none of her, then none of a third party, if you get me

 

[todders]

Can't get that link to work. This one? https://www.lep.co.uk/news/national...-praying-for-missing-mums-safe-return-4023904

Not sure what happened there thank you it looks like they moved the page to this link I have updated post much appreciated.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I agree, there is absolutely no hard evidence she ever entered the water. It’s understandable LE makes this their working assumption b/c it initially appears by far the most likely scenario. But they therefore allow a potential crime scene to be contaminated.

Their investigation has by now cleary moved on. The appeal for two yet unidentified individuals in the immediate area the day before shows this. It’s always interesting when this type of information is released. They clearly want to clarify some circumstances around their appearance in the village.

Where's the appeal??

 

[Luke84]

Probably because none was missing.

How do you know that? She hasn’t been found.

 

[jk1874]

I have missed lots of thread 9 and 10 because I can’t keep up. I was reading what I could on here this morning and I was reminded of an incident that happened to me.
I was sitting on a bench by the river Thames with headphones in listening to music. I was waiting to pick up my children and was alone. I was in my forties. When I got up to go there was a man standing a few meters behind me with his pants down and masturbating. It was horrible. He had probably been there for ages. He said something to me when I looked at him directly. There was no one else around even though this was busy London.
Up until now I have been of the opinion that NB has sadly fallen into the river because it is the most obvious scenario. However, there is a possibility that she was attacked and dragged off. There is the gate right behind where she was sitting.
Sometimes when woman are attacked/ assaulted or violated in some way, we are so shocked that we do not respond in the way you think you might. I have had several awful experiences and I have never managed to do the sensible thing or to call for help. It is strange because I am a really strong and outspoken person normally. Yet when I have been sexually assaulted in any way I have said nothing at all. So it is possible that something happened to NB and she was then driven off in a perpetrator’s vehicle.
One thing we do know is that there are evil people around with no care for other people’s lives. We see shocking cases all too often.

Sorry to hear what happened to you, sounds awful! I think with the presence of the dog and no obvious sign of a third party or struggle, it looks like an accident.

 

[I wonder]

Women do abandon their young kids and vanish into thin air. My own grandmother did it.

Was there a nation wide search involving over 50 police officers, search and rescue, the coast guard etc, plus numerous volunteers for a period of weeks, with her family devastated, round the clock media courage and a global interest?

It's important to acknowledge the fact that this is a huge operation. Nicola could have contacted the police or Missing Persons and let them know she's ok. The police would pop round, just to be certain she's alright and she would be asked if she would give person for them to inform her family that she's, walked away herself, she's ok, but has started a new life, or she just needs some breathing space.

There's known abandonment and there's the police and millions of people thinking she's dead in a river, possibly the sea or kidnapped by a psychopath. Nicola could have just found another flat or whatever, ended her relationship, lived with her kids and have Sunday lunch with her parents etc every week. Millions of people do this. Nicola could have too. I think the only way she'd abandon her kids, family, Willow etc would be if she hated them all (which is clearly not the case, or for Witness Protection.

Witness Protection could be a possibility, people have to leave everything and everyone. They have to vanish into thin air, sometimes not informing their families for their loved one's safety. People are allowed to take children, but it is really hard on the kids, but so is losing a or both parents.

With this, though, I'm pretty certain something would sometimes have a word with someone senior in the police and let them know she's safe and that's all they need to know. Not necessarily immediately. In which case the search would carefully be wound down, with the assumption that unless further information to the contrary is provided, Nicola is believed to have drowned and her body is in the sea.

It sounds a bit wild, but it appears anything seems to be possible.

MOO JMO

 

[tallmansix]

The key statistic that is missing here is out of those that accidentally fall and drown, how many are not recovered despite significant search efforts?

Well yes, because how long before you declared "not recovered"? 2 weeks enough in this case?

A few examples of extensive search and rescue operations:

2 months later....
Roger Jones 1978 - same river

Or this one found 2 months later....

Body of missing man Russell Tomlinson found in River Weaver

THE body of missing man Russell Tomlinson has been found in the River Weaver more than two months after he was last seen.

www.northwichguardian.co.uk

"An extensive investigation and search was carried out which also involved divers from the North West Police Underwater Search & Marine Unit."


Or 4 months maybe?

Body found in hunt for missing teenager, 17, four months after he disappeared

The teenager, known as Freddy, was last seen leaving his home in Stolford, Somerset, in September 2022, and police have now informed his family they have found human remains

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[bringmeacupoft]

https://www.lep.co.uk/news/national/nicola-bulley-the-yellow-ribbons-of-hope-over-the-river-wyre-in-st-michaels-praying-for-missing-mums-safe-return-4023904?fbclid=IwAR1x_5EN0JF4s7Iidsaz_MaYfyX0D34TdYeQTEhTmIVXJCDd4pBjdGd5u2g

 

[Mollie123]

another 'police made mistakes' hit piece?

I swear I've been watching cases for hundreds of years and I never witnessed anything close to resembling the efficiency of Lancs police.
They truly have conducted themselves with utmost professionalism, sparing no resources and managing an ultra agency search.

It's just ridiculous.
I do pay for this rag but I have a feeling I won't read that article..

Gaslighting is telling us we don't see what we could not possibly have missed.

I hope and pray you are correct. I think the opinion of some is as we are not privy and not on the inside working on the investigation, we actually do not know as fact whether the police have investigated as thoroughly as we would like to think. I don't think they did themselves any favours being so adamant from the start re the river, albeit being open to other theories.
As I said unless we know as fact they have investigated every avenue thoroughly we cannot summise one way or the other.
Obviously the police are not here to win popularity contests or in fact appease the public suspicion of them.

 

[ruby925]

The abduction theory sounds very difficult to pull off unseen, but an attempt/assault where NB ends up in the river is as plausible as NB accidentally slipping down the bank. If a 3rd party involved had bad intentions, they would be unlikely to raise the alarm and would leave the scene with NB in the river, conscious or unconscious. After two weeks and no evidence, I am in the camp that the river scenario is the most likely, but not necessarily that NB fell in accidentally by herself. Just MOO.

 

[Mr X]

IMO there is some coded detail in PA saying someone local knows.

I would suggest prior history of aggrevation possibly relating to dog being off the lead.

 

[cottonweaver]

So the witnesses could have seen a dirty (unclean) van?

I believe that the OP @Busyliz was just referring to the witness's description. ( of the features of the red vehicle - being tatty)
TBH, in this instance, I don't see what ' the media ' have to do with the witness's description.
When you said 'Since when is the media always correct?' I agree - stuff needs to be double-checked generally, but this was a case of a quotation

Anyway, here's the descriptions
The woman witness:
"I was on my way to the cake shop when I saw a tatty red van in Hall Lane outside a barn. "It could have been a Renault van. It was the sort of van you can live in."
The second witness:
A man in his 50s described the van to the Sun as a high-sided Renault or Transit in a faded red.
The witness said: 'It was a shabby looking van, an older model, the kind you can live or work in.
.Nicola cops ARE hunting shabby red van - I saw the vehicle, says key witness
Police searching for Nicola Bulley have been told about new ‘tatty red van’ lead

 

[flysleuthD]

Really struggling to see how an abduction this slick could have been pulled off, not one error made, that must have took some strategic planning. This couldn't possibly be an opportunist. I'm still certain NB is caught up in the deep crevices of the high riverbed or what lies beneath after getting involved in either a simple Riverside altercation that's ended in tragedy and now being covered up or simply a tragic accident

 

[wrpd]

I don't understand why no cctv footage of NB had been released yet (other than by her family at her home). This is a missing person enquiry after all. We've seen cctv clips of people who may be able to help (woman in red, woman in yellow), but not of the missing person. It feels like the police have assumed she has gone into the river, and decided to not release cctv because of that. If they were to release cctv any chance of sightings of NB from the day are unlikely to be fresh in people's minds now. It feels very frustrating.

Edit:
I realise now that from looking at the presumed route that NB took, that she was not walking by the road for very long until turning down to walk by the river.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

I don't understand why no cctv footage of NB had been released yet (other than by her family at her home). This is a missing person enquiry after all. We've seen cctv clips of people who may be able to help (woman in red, woman in yellow), but not of the missing person. It feels like the police have assumed she has gone into the river, and decided to not release cctv because of that. If they were to release cctv any chance of sightings of NB from the day are unlikely to be fresh in people's minds now. It feels very frustrating.

Perhaps there simply isn't much CCTV to release. We know the Garstang Rd/Blackpool Ln entrance is a CCTV blackspot, and it doesn't appear Nicola was on CCTV further down the riverbank, either. That only leaves the short walk from the school to the river.

 

[annpats]

PA said in channel 5 interview he said he took willow the next day and she treated it like a normal walk.

I'm surprised he was able to take Willow on that exact same walk.....that whole area (towpath, fields, fence, bench) should've been closed off by police for forensic investigation.

 

[wens67]

Witness 'spotted men acting suspiciously near Nicola Bulley's route' Witness 'spotted men acting suspiciously near Nicola Bulley's route' via Home | Daily Mail Online


Sorry if this has already Been posted

 

[Deleted member 320164]

I don't understand why no cctv footage of NB had been released yet (other than by her family at her home). This is a missing person enquiry after all. We've seen cctv clips of people who may be able to help (woman in red, woman in yellow), but not of the missing person. It feels like the police have assumed she has gone into the river, and decided to not release cctv because of that. If they were to release cctv any chance of sightings of NB from the day are unlikely to be fresh in people's minds now. It feels very frustrating.

Because it’s the countryside - the whole area is a CCTV blackspot - CCTV is incidental at gates

 

[I wonder]

That’s fine, but as you say, she would have had her car keys with her - at least. Very possibly headphones too. Have they released the brand of car?

She's wearing 2 coats and trousers, all of which will have pockets. If she's just dropping off the off the kids at school and walking Willow, she doesn't need much, other than her keys (though Paul is in at home), phone and maybe £10 in her pocket in case she needs to get some bread or milk etc.

The car was parked at the children's school and I can't imagine it being relevant. I've mentioned before about the possibility of a stalker and it's possible her car would have a tracker, but I'm sure the police have considered this. Nicola's routine can be seen on her Facebook. it's not difficult to see her timings and if it is that someone local is involved, they may have followed her enough times to know when to have a planned attack. Emphasis on planned.

IMO MOO