Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #11

[PeggyHenry]

Has anything been revealed as to the location of the phone when the email to work, message to friend and logging on to the teams meeting occurred. To me it makes sense she was sat on the bench at the time and therefore could have left it on there while tending to Willow on the fields. This then opens up the option of something happening on the upper field. I think they've said "placed on the bench at 9.20" but this can be interpreted more than one way

Email to boss and text to friend sent very close timewise to second witness sighting in upper field. I think she sent email etc whilst walking in top field .. may have planned to get to bench in order to sit and listen in to Teams meeting

 

[crazychris]

I do not believe that Nicola has disappeared willingly, why would she leave her family and friends?

If she's not in the river, then there's a third party involved.

I agree. I have changed my mind and I now discount the river because of the intense searches and think she was grabbed from there by a maniac, killed nearby and she's buried somewhere near too. Widen the search, with cadaver dogs, to 1.5km outwards of the bench and leave no stone or twig unturned. They just haven't found her yet. A dog/dog walker may do one day.

 

[Wakefield6042]

They need to be searching a wider land area, the river seems to have been very thoroughly searched, even down to the sea and she is not there. I'd still be searching the caravan park (occupied/unoccupied)caravans, buildings, outhouses, farms,farmland the lot. Search further than where you think she would be. I know this would take much manpower, but if the lady is not in the water, she must be on the land - somewhere.

 

[Bluesleuth66]

Can someone tell me what DBM is please.

 

[pineapple23]

Can someone tell me what DBM is please.

I think it's 'deleted by me'

 

[sunshineray]

I remember that being said but don't recall the context. Was that reported by a witness or was it discovered when the scene was first visited after the report to the school? Do we know if the 9.33am witness mentioned the dog or just the phone?

This may have been where I read it...

"Nicola Bulley's dog may have been found near a bench as it is the last place he saw her, an expert has claimed. The 45-year-old was last spotted walking her springer spaniel Willow in St Michael's on Wyre, Lancashire. But the dog was found without his harness darting between the bench and the river."

Nicola Bulley's loyal dog ran back to bench as 'scent strongest'

EXCLUSIVE: The search for the mum-of-two has entered its 12th day as a private search team now join police in searching the river where she went missing.

www.google.com

 

[tallmansix]

Can someone tell me what DBM is please.

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[WAWAW]

If you check out Gray Hughes video he does a good job of placing where she was at certain points that morning when texting and e-mailing.

Just want he'd that (very interesting I didn't realise the searching has gone upstream, not sure why they'd do that). On the timing and location of the messaging and meeting the police don't actually give the location and/or whether it was placed on the bench at 9.20,just it was located there. In this case she could have left them there for some reason

 

[MrsWard84]

I agree. I have changed my mind and I now discount the river because of the intense searches and think she was grabbed from there by a maniac, killed nearby and she's buried somewhere near too. Widen the search, with cadaver fogs, to 1.5km outwards of the bench and leave no stone or twig unturned. They just haven't found her yet. A dog/dog walker may do one day.

I think the river theory needs to be put to rest by police. The searches, having brought up not an ounce of evidence in a slow flowing and not very deep river, need to focus on the land. After this amount of time, I personally think she would have been found by now if she went into the water. My friend fell into the river in York in the early morning hours during April 2011 and was found after 2 days. That river is very deep and very fast flowing.

 

[Dan Cooper]

Thank you, I stand corrected

Said the man in the orthopedic shoes.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Just want he'd that (very interesting I didn't realise the searching has gone upstream, not sure why they'd do that). On the timing and location of the messaging and meeting the police don't actually give the location and/or whether it was placed on the bench at 9.20,just it was located there. In this case she could have left them there for some reason

Oh sorry I thought you asked about the e-mails and text to her friend?

 

[cottonweaver]

If there is no evidence of 3rd party criminality, which to date, seems to be the case, then police are powerless to investigate

Has this always been the case with policing or is this a recent change? Have we always had this level of “permissive” policing which assumes the facts as they are told and can’t conduct interior searches unless there is any specific evidence? It just seems odd to me that the local area, especially the close dwellings, eg caravans have not been gone over with a fine tooth comb to look for evidence, even if done purely to rule out 3rd party involvement!
I’d be interested to know if this is the case, why this is and what brought about the change. Maybe I’m just an old cynic and never fully believe everything I’m told! (All MOO and not targeting any specific individual with this comment).

we have no body and only flimsy circumstantial evidence ( some pointers she may have entered the river but no evidence she left the field yet) so far

That's not ' permissive policing' and remember that police do not make the laws but they have to adhere to it.
Worth having a look at the missing persons section on Websleuths. If you want the police to have the kinds of powers & the citizen to have fewer rights, like they have in dictatorships like Russia, then yes, you can have a situation where police can force entry to search everybody's home in that village with a fine tooth comb. ( As the law stands, they don't have those powers)

Know what you mean though, I think I'm becoming an old cynic, am flabbergasted that the media, some pundits and some of the public want instant results in 2+ weeks, as if they're watching a 6 part season on Netflix. ( I enjoy binge-watching those but I know it's not 'IRL')

Were we always like that?

law on power of entry & search warrants Powers of the police in England and Wales - Wikipedia

 

[pineapple23]

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[Interested_But_Confused]

Also, PF said his sonar wouldn't be able to spot anything lodged in reeds Nicola Bulley search expert fears third party involved in her disappearance

I appreciate PF's willingness to help, I just wish he wouldn't overstate his capabilities. Saying if Nicola was in the river he would have found her, and because he didn't find her she can't be in there -- he and his top-of-the-line sonar equipment simply don't have the ability to definitively prove that.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I think the river theory needs to be put to rest by police. The searches, having brought up not an ounce of evidence in a slow flowing and not very deep river, need to focus on the land. After this amount of time, I personally think she would have been found by now if she went into the water. My friend fell into the river in York in the early morning hours during April 2011 and was found after 2 days. That river is very deep and very fast flowing.

They're still searching the water though, they've moved onto Morecambe Bay?

 

[ginnyw]

I think the river theory needs to be put to rest by police. The searches, having brought up not an ounce of evidence in a slow flowing and not very deep river, need to focus on the land. After this amount of time, I personally think she would have been found by now if she went into the water. My friend fell into the river in York in the early morning hours during April 2011 and was found after 2 days. That river is very deep and very fast flowing.

A young man fell into the river here very recently. He was found within a day, very close to where he'd gone in.

 

[pineapple23]

Widen the search, with cadaver fogs

We know what you meant

 

[SpursGyal]

I do hope they've also identified and spoken with the people in the background of the 'witness lady in a red coat' Ring photo that the police issued when they were asking said person to come forward. I wish I could find (refind?) confirmation of exactly what time that photo/video still was taken, because to my (photographer's) eye, it really does look suspiciously like a tall man with his hand/arm on the shoulder of a blonde, much smaller woman who has her head hanging downwards in a very subdued-looking manner, on the other side of the road to Red Coat Lady. IMHO.

(Link to an article including that Ring camera frame) -

Timeline of Nicola Bulley’s mysterious disappearance

Police have released a timeline of Nicola Bulley’s last known movements

www.independent.co.uk

There was no other people in the photo. It was the bush.

 

[cottonweaver]

Just want he'd that (very interesting I didn't realise the searching has gone upstream, not sure why they'd do that). On the timing and location of the messaging and meeting the police don't actually give the location and/or whether it was placed on the bench at 9.20,just it was located there. In this case she could have left them there for some reason

Yes it's possible

When P Faulding explained why he'd been tasked to do a sonar search of a section upstream (of the bench) he said he'd been asked to do that because it couldn't be confirmed that she went in the water at the bench spot. Could have been bit further up from the bench or further down

 

[sunshineray]

we have no body and only flimsy circumstantial evidence ( some pointers she may have entered the river but no evidence she left the field yet) so far

That's not ' permissive policing' and remember that police do not make the laws but they have to adhere to it.
Worth having a look at the missing persons section on Websleuths. If you want the police to have the kinds of powers & the citizen to have fewer rights, like they have in dictatorships like Russia, then yes, you can have a situation where police can force entry to search everybody's home in that village with a fine tooth comb. ( As the law stands, they don't have those powers)

Know what you mean though, I think I'm becoming an old cynic, am flabbergasted that the media, some pundits and some of the public want instant results in 2+ weeks, as if they're watching a 6 part season on Netflix.

Were we always like that?

law on power of entry & search warrants Powers of the police in England and Wales - Wikipedia

If the property is vacant though, like the house across the river has been described, couldn't the police search for signs of vagrants who may have utilized it and therefore may either be suspect or witnesses to what happened to NB?