Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #13

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Or a suicide attempt but can’t think why anyone would be arrested for that. Have known people wanting to take their own life and shouting and banging walls/breaking cupboards and wardrobes when family have tried to stop them, trying to run away from the house to take their own life, esp when drunk and assaulting police officers. This is just what I’ve experienced re “welfare checks” in an old job in MH services. Not saying this has happened here. Just that’s been my prev experience
It could have been something more obvious like being found close to a stairs with a ligature of some sort tied round the bannister and a stool.

ETA you would not be arrested for this. Sorry didn't read the post properly.
 
Might not be about her guilt/ shame etc. if she was a functioning alcoholic, she could’ve just been drunk. Far more likely to end up in a river incapacitated that way.
 
Depression normally knocks you out, have no interest in anything, and you don't want get out of bed, anxiety on the other hand does the opposite, and yes I know because I've had both
I wouldn’t say depression normally knocks you out. Everyone experiences it differently. Sometimes people need to function for their families or to keep a roof over one’s head, but behind closed doors it’s a different story. And the “functioning” part can often be undertaken in a robotic fashion, as a means to an end without taking joy in daily activities
 
Hello everyone, this is my first post here. I've been reading the threads since day one, but have felt compelled to register and contribute based on the recently released information. I've found myself feeling desperately sad to find out Nicola struggled with alcohol. As an alcoholic myself (currently doing yet another reduction plan, after nearly two decades of struggling) I know how utterly hellish and desperate addiction can be. My heart breaks for her, and I can understand the police not wanting to divulge that information due to the hurtful and judgemental stereotypes some people have of those of us who struggle with it.

A few things which MOO are worth considering. Suddenly completely stopping (or even significantly reducing) alcohol consumption can lead someone who is physically dependent on it (not that I'm saying Nicola was, as we simply don't know) to experience DTs (delerium tremors) which can present as auditory/visual hallucinations, confusion etc. In extreme cases, it can also bring about sudden seizures. Which would obviously be even more dangerous if one occurred near water. Again, just from my own personal experiences and IMO. I'm not in any way saying that was the case here, but I'm assuming the police would have looked into that possibility.

Also, someone's tolerance level, if they have a previous history of alcohol issues, can increase very rapidly if they begin using alcohol again. It's a process called 'kindling.' Again, I know from my own personal experience how quickly tolerance can go up and how someone can still appear perfectly lucid, coherent and without any impaired motor functions even after a huge dose of alcohol. Again, IMO MOO, but another thing worth considering in terms of people speculating whether someone would have the capacity to drive, whether it would be obvious to those around them if someone had been drinking etc.

The press release states Nicola had begun struggling again recently. And again, from my personal experience, this is a hugely devastating blow psychologically to someone who struggles with alcohol issues. We work so hard to get them under control, can become sober for lengths of time, and then relapse despite constantly fighting every single second not to. There's such a huge amount of shame, guilt and hopelessness which goes along with that. Sometimes those feelings are so extreme, you believe the only way to finally be free of it is to remove yourself from the world and to end both your own suffering and the suffering of those who love you. Again, I'm not saying this is the case here, but it's definitely something which is a possibility. And one which breaks my heart for Nicola.

I hope so much that people are kind after this infomation has been released. Nobody knows the absolute hell of addiction unless they have been there themself, and I hope people don't judge Nicola for it, or make assumptions about the type of person she was. We are more than just our addiction, and we fight so hard to overcome it. Some of us simply don't make it, whether that's due to an accident whilst impaired, or actively by our own hand when the suffering becomes too much to bear.

Apologies for the lengthy post. Thank you for taking the time to read it. Wishing you all a peaceful evening, my friends.
A warm welcome to you.
I wish you every success on your journey.
There is a light at the end of that tunnel.
These days I prefer coffee.
Good luck and thank you for your insightful and accurate post.
I hope you stick around,
 
This may explain why she done things differently the next morning-guilt?
If it is true that she was happy the night before (because the mortgage deal was sorted), the knock on effect would give her a confidence boost to do things well. It is the little things that make the difference as to how we operate.
 
In my experience (not personal) there's not necessarily swings of behaviour, nor any evidence of a heavy drinker unless you look for it or recognise it. Someone who drinks consistently over a period of time and is dependent on alcohol is never actually sober, you never meet the sober person and their life is carefully controlled and arranged around their need.
It is possible to hold down a high - paying and responsible job, drive a car regularly, support a family, and appear to function like any one else in daily life, sometimes for a very long while.
But when you throw menopause into the mix, then you're potentially looking at mood swings, anxiety, depression, self-esteem issues, insomnia, irritability - the list goes on - you're left with possibly a very troubled individual.
 
I wonder how long she has been struggling re alcohol, if she drank during the day or drove the car after having a drink. I wonder if she was undergoing any therapy or addiction sessions. The photos from that morning from the doorbell show her hair tied up and carrying what looked like a water bottle. I wonder what happened in the house the night before and in the morning before she left. There were clearly ongoing issues yet they appeared as if they were the perfect family.

I also noted that she looked very gaunt in those images. A far cry from the images of her on social media where she looked really bonny and healthy.

I wonder if this also accounts for the fact we only had stills from the CCTV? I speculated that there was potentially a row over it and maybe she left upset,. although that is pure speculation and MOO. If PA knew she was possibly drinking again, perhaps he wasn't keen on her driving the car? I can also completely understand why he wouldn't share this information publicly, especially if he thought she would be back.
 
That and the possibility of being sectioned may have been too much
Agreeing with you, ayrshireguy.
Very sad.
Praying for all involved. Family. Esp. the children.

Am hoping that this whole story brings better awareness and understanding to MH, alcoholism, suffering in Menopause, and all the confluence of factors which have resulted from all of us living under the stresses of a World Pandemic.

MOO.
 
With the latest updates, I hope it leads to some self reflection for everyone who took an (ideally) well intentioned interest in Nicola’s case.

Since COVID it seems we have entered an era of not trusting anyone- even those who are qualified and experienced in their domains. We need to return to a place of trust (not blind trust) but an appreciation that there are experts and they do know their stuff and we do not have knowledge or expertise even close to their knowledge base. Google has made everyone an “expert”. I know people who work is some professions- pharmacy, law, medicine, and their knowledge, insights and understanding is incredible and often unseen.

<modsnip> Thinking of Nicola and her family.
 
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Agreeing with you, ayrshireguy.
Very sad.
Praying for all involved. Family. Esp. the children.

Am hoping that this whole story brings better awareness and understanding to MH, alcoholism, suffering in Menopause, and all the confluence of factors which have resulted from all of us living under the stresses of a World Pandemic.

MOO.
Yep. Very sad
 
Cassandra syndrome is an interesting possibility.
Otherwise known as ongoing traumatic relationship syndrome.

I know about this from personal experience.
 
Agreeing with you, ayrshireguy.
Very sad.
Praying for all involved. Family. Esp. the children.

Am hoping that this whole story brings better awareness and understanding to MH, alcoholism, suffering in Menopause, and all the confluence of factors which have resulted from all of us living under the stresses of a World Pandemic.

MOO.
Love this angle. If there can be any consolation for her family let it be such increased awareness and how it could affect anyone’s lives.
 
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