Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #14

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Normanly said:
I still think if, at the very beginning, when NB was reported as a missing person the words 'may have been in a vulnerable state of mind' should have been used. I have heard vulnerable used in loads of missing people reports and don't understand why her state of mind was hidden in this case. IMO the publics interest in the case wouldn't have been anything like it has been if there had been clarity from the start and would have avoided such personal detail being released
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RSBM. I agree with this. I also think making a big issue of leaving the dog and phone on the bench has made the press/public interest worse. IMO the 10th January visit by police has made them act differently in all this. Maybe because something that they did or didn't do that evening or the aftermath that could have contributed to her being missing.
 
JennieM said:
If you were PA / her family, why would you agree to this?

This is the burden of her legacy her girls will now carry. :(
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I think public suspecting and spreading rumors about PA involvement was more damaging to the family than this - maybe police want to stop speculating and prove they know what they are doing.

however I think they shouldn't have released the details about incident on 10th Jan
 
Colorado303 said:
THIS! I’m absolutely appalled that LE released this information. I understand thousands of people were speculating all sorts of horrific scenarios and the media was about to spill the beans. But that’s an unfortunate and unavoidable reality in today’s world. Anyone who happens to become “famous” like this will be examined under a microscope by a bunch of trolls, busy-bodies and garden variety gossips. It’s terrible. And there’s no stopping it.

But for LE to officially release this information rachets my dismay to a new level. If Nicola is still alive I hope she’s away from WiFi, tv and has no cell signal. Whatever demons she’s wrestling with would certainly be compounded by all the rumor and speculation in social media and the press. But to have her situation spelled out by LE leaving no doubt…. I have no words.

Not that it’s the case here but most of us know someone w/a spouse who over-reacts, exaggerates and bad-mouths them at every turn either for attention, to make it seem like they’re “the good one” or to manipulate custody hearings. What a field day for them now if their victim happens to get drunk and behave badly one night. Again, I’m not suggesting that’s the case here but it’s one reason why I’m so upset.

I suspect this will make some people in her community think twice before they call LE for any kind of personal/domestic issue. It sure as Hell would give me pause,
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Do you not think they probably still have more information we’re not privy to? Also, they said vulnerabilities, so is there more than alcohol and the menopause?
 
vchk said:
I think public suspecting and spreading rumors about PA involvement was more damaging to the family than this - maybe police want to stop speculating and prove they know what they are doing.

however I think they shouldn't have released the details about incident on 10th Jan
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They could just had said that he was working from home, the house has cctv, and they have cleared him.
 
Normanly said:
I still think if, at the very beginning, when NB was reported as a missing person the words 'may have been in a vulnerable state of mind' should have been used. I have heard vulnerable used in loads of missing people reports and don't understand why her state of mind was hidden in this case. IMO the publics interest in the case wouldn't have been anything like it has been if there had been clarity from the start and would have avoided such personal detail being released
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It appears to have primarily been PA who didn't want the information made public. But there's a line between releasing just enough information to be helpful, and appearing to mislead everyone. I, personally, feel quite mislead.

NB's problems aren't my business, but if you're going to make public statements and appear in primetime TV shows asking for help, there are ways to say NB has "vulnerabilities" without invading her privacy. Instead, PA and all of the other friends and family made it seem like everything was perfect and wonderful... which it quite clearly wasn't.

It's easy to second-guess and hindsight is always 20/20. But we now have PA and the family upset about the overwhelming attention and revealing of personal details, when as you've noted in your post, this case probably wouldn't have taken off the way it has if the family had been more honest about the circumstances.

It's an incredibly unfortunate situation.
 
There is of an explanation for her disappearance that has not been discussed much.What is interesting is that the dog was in the bench area but hadn't gone along the path to the road, and she is not in the immediate river area (unless missed). That raises the possibility she fell into the river but exited to the South bank.

If she swam across she would probably have ended up slightly downstream. Maybe the bank was easier to exit that side on the side with the house. She would have exited in a state of severe hypothermia and might be in the area north of Hall Lane and South of the river. It might be hard to find her in the presumably fairly dense undergrowth/leaves if she had fallen there. I am not sure how much of the south side of the river has been searched and how extensively other than the river banks. Obviously areas to be searched are done so in a targeted way and then searched thoroughly.
A fall and exit to the South river bank would explain why the dog was found in that area off the lead as the dog would be looking for her across the river (but perhaps unwilling to enter the water).

Maybe she even exited the water to the South river bank having swam upstream (perhaps to avoid the weir). She was apparently a strong swimmer so not implausible. At that point she might have walked in the direction of Hall Lane and either succumbed to hypothermia in that area or might have reached the road but maybe tried to walk home from there.

I would be searching the South side of the river area fairly extensively including the area to the South and North side of Hall Lane.

If she had fallen in and exited the water on the North side she would have returned to get her phone and call assistance most likely unless incapacitated and then she would have been found by the extensive land search on the north bank.
 
There’s nothing about this case that makes sense to me. Firstly, knowing what they did where were the appeals, in case she had left the area and needed assurances she could come home? They didn’t need to say why (but also they could’ve done as she shouldn’t be judged) but they could have been stronger. We still don’t know if she’s out there reading these posts about how depressed /suicidal she was that day, maybe she wasn’t. Because we still don’t know where she is.

Secondly, why allow PF to come up and use his expensive equipment if they weren’t going to share vital information that would’ve possibly got her found? Surely finding her was the goal, and I get PF saying slipping in the shallows versus jumping in the middle and deep , is completely different. Just weird as his search seems a bit pointless and he could’ve gone farther down. Surely getting her found should’ve been the highest priority.

PA knows the history and yet says 100 % she’s not in the river.

For me, this is as confusing as it was at the beginning. It’s very troubling.
 
Interested_But_Confused said:
It appears to have primarily been PA who didn't want the information made public. But there's a line between releasing just enough information to be helpful, and appearing to mislead everyone. I, personally, feel quite mislead.

NB's problems aren't my business, but if you're going to make public statements and appear in primetime TV shows asking for help, there are ways to say NB has "vulnerabilities" without invading her privacy. Instead, PA and all of the other friends and family made it seem like everything was perfect and wonderful... which it quite clearly wasn't.

It's easy to second-guess and hindsight is always 20/20. But we now have PA and the family upset about the overwhelming attention and revealing of personal details, when as you've noted in your post, this case probably wouldn't have taken off the way it has if the family had been more honest about the circumstances.

It's an incredibly unfortunate situation.
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I don’t think this post will be popular but I agree with you. The information we had and didn’t have pointed people’s guesses certain ways. No, an alcohol problem can’t be verified as a “fact” at this stage and even if it did, doesn’t absolutely indicate accident or suicide, but it’s still relevant in assessing possibilities.
 
Cazb78 said:
Do you not think they probably still have more information we’re not privy to? Also, they said vulnerabilities, so is there more than alcohol and the menopause?
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of course but we the public don't need to know any of that tbh,
police said
NB had in the past suffered with some significant issues with alcohol which were brought on by her ongoing struggles with the menopause and that these struggles had resurfaced over recent months
 
Undecided said:
There’s nothing about this case that makes sense to me. Firstly, knowing what they did where were the appeals, in case she had left the area and needed assurances she could come home? They didn’t need to say why (but also they could’ve done as she shouldn’t be judged) but they could have been stronger. We still don’t know if she’s out there reading these posts about how depressed /suicidal she was that day, maybe she wasn’t. Because we still don’t know where she is.

Secondly, why allow PF to come up and use his expensive equipment if they weren’t going to share vital information that would’ve possibly got her found? Surely finding her was the goal, and I get PF saying slipping in the shallows versus jumping in the middle and deep , is completely different. Just weird as his search seems a bit pointless and he could’ve gone farther down. Surely getting her found should’ve been the highest priority.

PA knows the history and yet says 100 % she’s not in the river.

For me, this is as confusing as it was at the beginning. It’s very troubling.
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Perhaps PF was right. The phone was a decoy left by NB and she wandered off elsewhere.
 
I imagine looking after kids and holding down a job while suffering from menopause, depression, and alcohol problems is extremely difficult. Perhaps she had been confiding in an old flame and just had an alone moment of despair when she had to go and disappear for a while not in a state of mind to think any consequences. Coming back though is now very difficult.
 
JennieM said:
If you were PA / her family, why would you agree to this?

This is the burden of her legacy her girls will now carry. :(
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Although difficult for the family it may help to quash untrue rumours and assumptions from being made. Maybe it was a difficult decision to make to release the information but it was obviously deemed necessary at the time.
 
Cazb78 said:
Do you not think they probably still have more information we’re not privy to? Also, they said vulnerabilities, so is there more than alcohol and the menopause?
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I have no idea. And I don’t care. I just know that there’s absolutely no reason why any of us here need to or should know about her returning alcohol issues, struggles with menopause (OMG!) , home welfare check etc. It’s not helpful, Definitely say she’s “in a vulnerable state” if you have to, but the rest of it is nobody’s business.
 
The scenario that’s she’s taken herself off (& these comments made by police only yesterday afternoon would put her off coming home) :
She would have had to have managed to purchase food over X days without anybody identifying her or
She’s being cared for by a mystery friend who hasn’t convinced her to let anyone else know she’s fine but doesn’t want to come home.
(Plus she would need to have access to media to have known what was said yesterday afternoon to have been “upset” by it)

In my opinion that’s slim to zero.
 
Interested_But_Confused said:
NB's problems aren't my business, but if you're going to make public statements and appear in primetime TV shows asking for help, there are ways to say NB has "vulnerabilities" without invading her privacy. Instead, PA and all of the other friends and family made it seem like everything was perfect and wonderful... which it quite clearly wasn't.
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100% agree. It's quite common to see an indication in missing person announcements that the person is vulnerable. If this had been said at the start rather than the fit, healthy, happy, narrative, maybe we wouldn't have had the feeding frenzy of speculation, accusations and plain fantasy (not that any scenario should be ruled out at this point). I think yesterdays announcement was partly an exercise in damage limitation but imo the speculation has been unleashed now and has just switched focus.
 
Having slept on yesterday's news about Nicola's alleged struggles with alcohol, I'm troubled by it. I understand that problems related to alcohol are often kept secret, but I wonder if the police interviewed other family members about her struggles? Have they confirmed it? Just because the police recently made a concern for welfare call at her home, isn't in and of itself, proof of a problem with alcohol.

Another reason I'm left feeling uncomfortable, if it has been proved that she did indeed have problems with alcohol, now the police have released this information, how will it affect her mental state...assuming she is still alive? I dread to think the harm this could do. JMO
 
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