Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #15

[JennieM]

Thanks. Yeah somebody said it was from there, but he didn't say anything about her phone being locked.

You are right, I just watched the video and can't find him saying that.

 

[Allabouttrial]

You are right, I just watched the video and can't find him saying that.

Right!? It's been driving me nuts.

ETA: For all. This is the interview and what was actually said.

TRANSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW WITH ONE MAN AND HIS DOG

Reporter - Good to see you. Sir, you actually... you saw the phone is that right?

Witness - Yeah.

Reporter - You saw the phone that Friday morning?

Witness - Yes.

Reporter - And that was around... was it after half 9?

Witness - I gave a full statement to the police with the exact time because my wife's telephone call had the time on it so, and I've given a full statement to the police.

Reporter - Was it just on the bench or..?

Witness - The phone?

Reporter - Yeah.

Witness - Yeah.

Reporter - How's the last three weeks been?

Witness - Each day something new comes out doesn't it?

Reporter - Yeah. And in terms of when you saw phone, lead and Willow, you knew who Nicola was?

Witness - No I didn't.

Reporter - You knew Willow. That was it, you knew Willow?

Witness - I knew I'd seen both the owners of Willow walking this dog in the past, but whilst I knew them by face, like I know your face, I didn't know the name.

Reporter - Yeah, but I remember you actually telling me when you saw the phone, the lead and Willow you were like 'OK I'm going to keep an eye on it because something doesn't feel right'?

Witness - I thought somebody had gone to the toilet in the... do you know that would have been my first... I got to about this red brick building here and I thought 'this is not right' and then there was a conversation... but my wife was trying to ring me and I was trying to ring her. P had rung my wife to say that she'd fastened the dog up that was ru..

Reporter - And P was the lady who actually spotted Willow initially...

Witness - That's right yes.

Reporter - and saw the phone but didn't know what was going on with the phone?

Witness - Yeah that's right, yeah, yeah.

Reporter - And then after that, you know, what happened? What was the next steps?

Witness - Well, then it was just a progression of things happening, you know. We found out, because of the wallpaper on the phone. We found out who the couple were, then the school was contacted and Paul arrived.

Reporter - Well look, we'll let you carry on with your walk. I know you do this every morning. Nicola did this almost every morning as well.

Witness - Yeah probably, yeah.

 

[EyeSpyU]

Yes so the official timeline I would say is the 9:33 timing, based off his phone.

The other person has come across a dog off lead, tethered the dog, phoned this man’s wife about the dog, who has in turn phoned him, it all feels too tight.

I think I’m clutching at straws it’s just uneasy feeling…..that’s a lot of action that been done which it makes the 9:20 window onwards even smaller.

I’d say he simply couldn’t remember the exact time he saw the phone on the bench or when he called his wife (or she called him). He was out walking his dog and wouldn’t have known the exact time it happened - he was just giving the approximate time.

 

[JennieM]

Right!? It's been driving me nuts.

I think maybe it's because he mentions "the wallpaper on the phone"

 

[JennieM]

I think maybe it's because he mentions "the wallpaper on the phone"

Presuming when they first found it, the phone was "on" connected to the work meeting. Then he mentions the "wallpaper", indicating that the phone was then locked?

 

[JennieM]

Presuming when they first found it, the phone was "on" connected to the work meeting. Then he mentions the "wallpaper", indicating that the phone was then locked?

He is basically saying that because of the wallpaper on the phone, they could see who the couple was. So the wallpaper on the phone is a photo of Nicola and Paul. They would not be able to see that at first as the phone was still connected to the work meeting. This is what I understand.

 

[CriLondon]

Right!? It's been driving me nuts.

ETA: For all. This is the interview and what was actually said.

TRANSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW WITH ONE MAN AND HIS DOG

Reporter - Good to see you. Sir, you actually... you saw the phone is that right?

Witness - Yeah.

Reporter - You saw the phone that Friday morning?

Witness - Yes.

Reporter - And that was around... was it after half 9?

Witness - I gave a full statement to the police with the exact time because my wife's telephone call had the time on it so, and I've given a full statement to the police.

Reporter - Was it just on the bench or..?

Witness - The phone?

Reporter - Yeah.

Witness - Yeah.

Reporter - How's the last three weeks been?

Witness - Each day something new comes out doesn't it?

Reporter - Yeah. And in terms of when you saw phone, lead and Willow, you knew who Nicola was?

Witness - No I didn't.

Reporter - You knew Willow. That was it, you knew Willow?

Witness - I knew I'd seen both the owners of Willow walking this dog in the past, but whilst I knew them by face, like I know your face, I didn't know the name.

Reporter - Yeah, but I remember you actually telling me when you saw the phone, the lead and Willow you were like 'OK I'm going to keep an eye on it because something doesn't feel right'?

Witness - I thought somebody had gone to the toilet in the... do you know that would have been my first... I got to about this red brick building here and I thought 'this is not right' and then there was a conversation... but my wife was trying to ring me and I was trying to ring her. P had rung my wife to say that she'd fastened the dog up that was ru..

Reporter - And P was the lady who actually spotted Willow initially...

Witness - That's right yes.

Reporter - and saw the phone but didn't know what was going on with the phone?

Witness - Yeah that's right, yeah, yeah.

Reporter - And then after that, you know, what happened? What was the next steps?

Witness - Well, then it was just a progression of things happening, you know. We found out, because of the wallpaper on the phone. We found out who the couple were, then the school was contacted and Paul arrived.

Reporter - Well look, we'll let you carry on with your walk. I know you do this every morning. Nicola did this almost every morning as well.

Witness - Yeah probably, yeah.

So at least we have that HE went by and saw the phone on the bench ( admittedly led by the sky reporter ) .
And that he went by after the dog had been tied up. How he found it we don't know because the reporter interrupted him .

 

[EyeSpyU]

Nicola Bulley head diver shares 'blunt' conversation he had with partner

Peter Faulding was called in by Lancashire Police and Nicola's loved ones to help aid the search, after she vanished on January 27 while walking pet dog Willow.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

It’s very hard to trust a person who exaggerates and twists the truth.

Neither the police or PA called him in to search, like he claims. He put himself forward constantly, saying he would search for free but the police had ignored his offer. He also said he’d spoken to PA, who obviously accepted his offer of help, and when PA asked the police to allow PF to search they agreed, albeit reluctantly. The police didn’t want him on the scene, and even refused to give him confidential information possibly because he’s such a big blabbermouth.

On top of that, he kept changing his tune. One day he said he’d prove she hadn’t gone into the river. Then the next day he said he believed she had. He certaintly didn’t instil confidence.

He also suggests people can’t drown in that river, which is nonsense, especially as people have drowned in it. He also claims she couldn’t have gone over the weir, but other experts say people can do. And neither does he know if she walked 1 or 2 hundred years and jumped in ahead of the weir. From the way Willow was running between the bench and turnstile gate that sounds like NB left through that gate, but that’s just MOO and I could be wrong.

 

[JennieM]

The film crew had obviously briefed him as when the reporter began asking him questions he told him something like “so when you found the phone there what did you think?” The man clearly knew they were going to interview him.

However, he did come across extremely sincere and truthful IMO.

Agree that he comes across as sincere. The scenarios we were imagining of 3rd party (witness) involvement, I just can't see him playing any part. And to think that these people are being harassed

 

[BGirl88]

Yes so the official timeline I would say is the 9:33 timing, based off his phone.

The other person has come across a dog off lead, tethered the dog, phoned this man’s wife about the dog, who has in turn phoned him, it all feels too tight.

I think I’m clutching at straws it’s just uneasy feeling…..that’s a lot of action that been done which it makes the 9:20 window onwards even smaller.

What I can’t seem to understand is why did the lady who first found Willow then call the other lady (Ron’s wife)? I find that odd. Do we know the connection between Ron / Ron’s wife and the First Lady? Or am I missing something? And then even more odd is why did Ron’s wife then call Ron to let him know the dog had been tied up? It doesn’t make sense. It’s as if they were all concerned for some time about an unattended dog and phone. IMO

To recap:
First Lady finds Willow and phone. Ties up Willow. Calls Ron’s wife.
Ron comes across phone. Ron’s wife calls to tell him that First Lady has tied up the dog.

I’m so confused!

 

[JennieM]

dbm

 

[Allabouttrial]

What I can’t seem to understand is why did the lady who first found Willow then call the other lady (Ron’s wife)? I find that odd. Do we know the connection between Ron / Ron’s wife and the First Lady? Or am I missing something? And then even more odd is why did Ron’s wife then call Ron to let him know the dog had been tied up? It doesn’t make sense. It’s as if they were all concerned for some time about an unattended dog and phone. IMO

To recap:
First Lady finds Willow and phone. Ties up Willow. Calls Ron’s wife.
Ron comes across phone. Ron’s wife calls to tell him that First Lady has tied up the dog.

I’m so confused!

I'm guessing here, but the police said that the 1st witness made a number of calls after she tied Willow up. I think she knew Ron walked his dog around that time in the morning, so rang his wife (not having Ron's number) and his wife rang him to ask if he could go have a look and see if he recognised the dog.

 

[EyeSpyU]

The thing is I've seen NO-ONE anywhere judging her. Not once. All I've seen is support for her.

It's like in one fail swoop you've just made up a whole new narrative that's not been mentioned anywhere. All of her friends who have spoken out have had nothing but kind things to say, so really not sure what you're basing all this on.

I haven’t seen that, either.

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[JennieM]

dbm

 

[penguinface]

Presuming when they first found it, the phone was "on" connected to the work meeting. Then he mentions the "wallpaper", indicating that the phone was then locked?

I’m not saying he necessarily knew the correct terminology himself and he might well have meant what was on the lock screen, but “wallpaper” also (and perhaps usually?) refers to the background image when the phone is unlocked, as in the picture behind the icons on your homescreen, as opposed to the lock-screen background.

 

[Loobyloo]

I’m not saying he necessarily knew the correct terminology himself and he might well have meant what was on the lock screen, but “wallpaper” also (and perhaps usually?) refers to the background image when the phone is unlocked, as in the picture behind the icons on your homescreen, as opposed to the lock-screen background.

Perhaps in their attempts to find out whose the phone was, they'd simply switched away from the Teams screen. I don't think it really matters whether the phone was locked or not, as NB was obviously gone by then.

 

[Loobyloo]

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Ron it appears, spotted the phone on the bench whilst he was by the brick building...Good eyes IMO

I get the impression (from the Sky interview) that R had seen the phone (in company with P), carried on walking as far as the brick building, then doubled back to the bench because on reflection he was concerned about the situation. I don't think he's saying he was at the brick building when he saw it.
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Reporter - Yeah, but I remember you actually telling me when you saw the phone, the lead and Willow you were like 'OK I'm going to keep an eye on it because something doesn't feel right'?

Witness - I thought somebody had gone to the toilet in the... do you know that would have been my first... I got to about this red brick building here and I thought 'this is not right' and then there was a conversation... but my wife was trying to ring me and I was trying to ring her. P had rung my wife to say that she'd fastened the dog up that was ru..
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@Allabouttrial's transcript:UK - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #15

 

[Allabouttrial]

I get the impression (from the Sky interview) that R had seen the phone (in company with P), carried on walking as far as the brick building, then doubled back to the bench because on reflection he was concerned about the situation. I don't think he's saying he was at the brick building when he saw it.
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Reporter - Yeah, but I remember you actually telling me when you saw the phone, the lead and Willow you were like 'OK I'm going to keep an eye on it because something doesn't feel right'?

Witness - I thought somebody had gone to the toilet in the... do you know that would have been my first... I got to about this red brick building here and I thought 'this is not right' and then there was a conversation... but my wife was trying to ring me and I was trying to ring her. P had rung my wife to say that she'd fastened the dog up that was ru..
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@Allabouttrial's transcript:UK - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #15

Hadn't really thought about the direction, but yeah you're right. Now after watching the full retracing video he was going away from the bench not towards it.

This retracing video is the best I've seen. They walked Nicola's exact route and times. I'm now even more convinced that Nicola made it back to the bench.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

That walking path seems to be used regularly and

Hadn't really thought about the direction, but yeah you're right. Now after watching the full retracing video he was going away from the bench not towards it.

This retracing video is the best I've seen. They walked Nicola's exact route and times. I'm now even more convinced that Nicola made it back to the bench.

Agreed.

 

[frankzafka]

First time poster. long...long time lurker. A thought just came to me fwiw. Many years ago I had a neighbour who hid bottles of vodka on the route she took to walk her dog. They were often secreted away in hedgerows. I suppose to hide them away from other people in the house?