Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #17

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I don't doubt that his efforts to help were genuine, but I do wish his words had been a bit more circumspect at the time. Especially for someone who admitted he was not privy to all details of the case.

Is there not some slight subtext here though. He is still saying she wasn't in the water when he searched, which leaves three possibilities.

1. He overestimated his abilities.
2. NB was in the reeds the whole time 3. The body was placed there afterwards.
I suppose there is little point speculating until we hear from the forensic pathologists
4. Tidal action of river below weir means that bodies can ' travel' in the watercourse over time (Now factor in re-emergence & ' re-float' based on more gruesome aspects from pathology research on body recovery. Also factor in possibility of 'snagging' at various locations)

As per river, RNLI commanders - snagging ( & later dislodging)
I agree, pathology and inquest to come and we'll hear a lot more at inquest
 
A friend of Nicola Bulley has described the missing mother-of-two as “the most amazing mum ever” as she urged online critics to stop spreading false rumours. In comments reported by the Mail on Sunday, her friend Nadia Fell said: “Nikki is a normal mum. We all have ups and downs and being a mum is hard. Every day is a lesson. The menopause can be really tough.”

 
I don't doubt that his efforts to help were genuine, but I do wish his words had been a bit more circumspect at the time. Especially for someone who admitted he was not privy to all details of the case.

Is there not some slight subtext here though. He is still saying she wasn't in the water when he searched, which leaves three possibilities.

1. He overestimated his abilities.
2. NB was in the reeds the whole time 3. The body was placed there afterwards.
I suppose there is little point speculating until we hear from the forensic pathologists
Offering his services for free and taking the time out to help in the search was commendable. Speaking in absolutes was perhaps not wise.
 
Does anyone know which way P and Ron were walking when they made their way to the bench that morning? (Eg where they came from?

If NB had decided to walk further along the river towards the weir and leave her belongings at the bench, would either of them have possibly crossed paths with her? (And if they didn’t, would that discount that theory?).
Good logic but if they had crossed paths then the police wouldn't have fixated their search (e.g potential point of entry) by the bench area. They went with that due to the belongings and that no one had crossed paths with her.
 
Peter Faulding has spoken.

An update from Peter Faulding:
The SGI underwater search team was tasked with searching the river upsteam of weir in the non tidal part of the river, past the bench where Nicola’s phone was found and a mile upstream past this point. For three days, using high frequency side scan sonar, we thoroughly search the riverbed and can categorically confirm that Nicola was not laying on the riverbed on the days that we searched. We did search the stretch of river where Nicola was found for four hours on our first day and then upstream past the weir on the subsequent two days. The police underwater search teams and land search teams were searching for three full weeks and were also unable to find Nicola. Unfortunately it was a member of the public that made the grim discovery.

Sadly, the discovery was not found in the river but in the reeds at the side of the river which was not part of our remit as the side scan sonar does not penetrate reeds above or below the water. A riverbank and wade search would be the only way to search this area and we were not involved or tasked with that search. The difference between these two search areas has caused a lot of confusion and unfair criticism towards myself and my team at Specialist Group International (SGI).

My previous comments saying that if Nicola was in the river, I would find her, still stand. My team and I at SGI did all we could to assist this family with only our best intentions. I am sure I can say this of everyone who has been involved in this difficult search.

SGI is the recognised underwater search team for Essex, Surrey, Sussex, Kent, Hampshire and Thames Valley police who we have worked closely alongside for many years. Unfortunately there are few police underwater search teams left. Each year we locate and recover many unfortunate victims and bring them back to their families. Sadly, for circumstances out of our control, and as hard as we try, sometimes we are unable to locate the missing person. Nicola Bulley


He just doesn't seem to get it. Nobody is attacking him for helping the search. It's all the ridiculous comments, why say find her 'in minutes' if you can't effectively search in the reeds? FWIW he mentioned for the areas he was searching any areas he couldn't do because of reeds that the police were assisting hence why at the end of his search he could confidently rule it out. Now he's claiming it was only above the weir.

He might actually be right that she wasn't there and she has come to be there since but that's not the point here.
 
I don't doubt that his efforts to help were genuine, but I do wish his words had been a bit more circumspect at the time. Especially for someone who admitted he was not privy to all details of the case.

Is there not some slight subtext here though. He is still saying she wasn't in the water when he searched, which leaves three possibilities.

1. He overestimated his abilities.
2. NB was in the reeds the whole time 3. The body was placed there afterwards.
I suppose there is little point speculating until we hear from the forensic pathologists
I'm not picking up any suggestion that the body was placed there afterwards. He clearly states that the reeds were not part of his remit. But I feel he has brought criticisms on himself. Yes he did say previously that the sonar could not cope with reeds but he also made claims that she couldn't be in the river and was already talking about going to look for potential burial sites which added to the general confusion and possibly spurred on conspiracies. Plus of course she may not have been in the reeds the entire time.
 
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The negativity around PF is the way he states "If I don't find it in the river its not there" He then says that he will find it in Burial sites in land.

He does neither and then when the body turns up he backtracks to say that he only searched the river-The river where the body was found.

Of course, we don't know if the body was placed there afterwards but forensic examination and pathology will determine this.
That was based in the police’s hypothesis / it being implied she went in at the bench area & likely fell in, he would find her if on the river bed, and he never said if she was in any part of the river from bench to estuary he’d find her as he clearly stated that beyond the weir he could not say for sure.

If anyone should have found the the body given the amount of searches it would be the police waders, but there is a very good chance the body may have been even further down and only swept back up in recent days, we may never know - I don’t think anyone is to blame for not finding her sooner. It is a heartbreaking and tragic case all around:(
 
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new link ( filmed after LE have left the vicinity?)


I don't like to keep repeating snagging ( bit graphic) but imagine this stretch at high tide and then later low tide & what might happen.... but anyway these clips might be of interest


PS I live slap bang next to a river and I think you can see from clips, there is no reed bed on either bank. This, imo is just natural vegetation and some plant debris. Where I am, when the river is high and then recedes, it looks similar ( dead grasses caught in branches.
 
Good logic but if they had crossed paths then the police wouldn't have fixated their search (e.g potential point of entry) by the bench area. They went with that due to the belongings and that no one had crossed paths with her.
Yes it sounds like they definitely didn’t cross paths with her as that would have been mentioned, but would they have if she decided to walk towards the weir or would they have been coming a different way to the bench?
 
The one thing that does play on my mind re a 3rd party/foul play and the non-cctv covered exits mentioned by the police, is that from the caravan park/Rowanwater area, if something untoward had happened and someone wanted to put a body into the river further down by car, then where she was found seems to be the first point that the most obvious road route from that area hits right next to the river, I assume though they will be able to rule out any foul play soon:(

Yes.. I note the police are being careful to make no assumptions on how she died at this point. How it should be
 
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