Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

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I think it's implied that Willow was wearing the dog collar when only the dog lead was found on the bench.

Where it's typical to unhook the lead from the collar on a walk, it doesn't follow to remove both the collar and the lead.

Personally, looking around, I can count 4-5 leads around the house, but only one dog collar that isn't removed but for bathing/grooming. JMO
Absolutely. I never remove my dog’s collar nor ever have done with any of my dogs.
 
Me too, but I'd like more clarification on how they witness timings can be so precise too, I never look at the time when I'm out walking my dog,
I believe the police knew the time when the phone was picked up by the witness by examining the phone itself.
 

7 Feb 2023

Police in Britain have rejected suggestions that missing mother-of-two Nicola Bulley could have been a victim of crime.

Superintendent Sally Riley, of Lancashire Police, said "every single" potential suspicion or criminal suggestion that had come in, had been looked at by detectives and discounted.

She said, "I would like to reassure the community that nothing in this investigation so far, it has been checked out if it has come in suggesting crime, it has been checked and discounted.

[..]

"It does remain our belief that Nicola sadly fell into the river and that this is a missing persons inquiry."

Police think the mortgage adviser, after dropping her daughters off at school, tragically fell into the water while walking her dog along the River Wyre in St Michael's on Wyre in Lancashire.

The National Crime Agency had also looked at the investigation by Lancashire Police and had also failed to identify any other suspicious line of inquiry, she said.

The officer spoke after suggestions that Ms Bulley's phone, still on a work call and left on a bench overlooking the river, could be a "decoy" and questions being raised about gaps in CCTV coverage of the area where she vanished from.

The lead and harness for Willow, her springer spaniel dog, was also left on or close to the bench.

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The Garstang Road, where the police are looking at dashcam footage. They are writing to those out of the area? I wonder how this is progressing. Does anyone know why they are focusing on the particular time period? Also is it possible to walk back riverside from here, going down river? Many thanks.
Some answers possibly..
ByBlathnaid Corless and Will Bolton6 February 2023

''Police searching for the missing dog walker Nicola Bulley will contact specific drivers who may have dashcam footage that could help explain what happened to her.

Lancashire Constabulary said on Monday night that while the belief remains Ms Bulley fell into the River Wyre, enquiries will now focus on the exit from the river path where the 45-year-old may have been walking and which is not covered by CCTV.

The path leads from fields back to Garstang Road in St Michael’s on Wyre, and police will be sending letters to drivers who travelled along it on the morning of Jan 27, when Ms Bulley disappeared.''
“Our enquiries now focus on the river path that leads from the fields back to Garstang Road – for that we need drivers and cyclists who travelled that way on the morning of Jan 27 to make contact,” they said in a statement.

“We have already done a lot of work around this, but every piece of footage helps us build up a picture of movements on that morning. We will be making contact with drivers, who we believe were travelling down Garstang Road that morning via letter.”

Anyone who receives a letter has been urged to get in touch using the dedicated email NicolaBulleyInvestigation@lancashire.police.uk.''
 
Some answers possibly..
ByBlathnaid Corless and Will Bolton6 February 2023

''Police searching for the missing dog walker Nicola Bulley will contact specific drivers who may have dashcam footage that could help explain what happened to her.

Lancashire Constabulary said on Monday night that while the belief remains Ms Bulley fell into the River Wyre, enquiries will now focus on the exit from the river path where the 45-year-old may have been walking and which is not covered by CCTV.

The path leads from fields back to Garstang Road in St Michael’s on Wyre, and police will be sending letters to drivers who travelled along it on the morning of Jan 27, when Ms Bulley disappeared.''
“Our enquiries now focus on the river path that leads from the fields back to Garstang Road – for that we need drivers and cyclists who travelled that way on the morning of Jan 27 to make contact,” they said in a statement.

“We have already done a lot of work around this, but every piece of footage helps us build up a picture of movements on that morning. We will be making contact with drivers, who we believe were travelling down Garstang Road that morning via letter.”

Anyone who receives a letter has been urged to get in touch using the dedicated email NicolaBulleyInvestigation@lancashire.police.uk.''
Many thanks, very kind. Will have a careful look.
 
Some answers possibly..
ByBlathnaid Corless and Will Bolton6 February 2023

''Police searching for the missing dog walker Nicola Bulley will contact specific drivers who may have dashcam footage that could help explain what happened to her.

Lancashire Constabulary said on Monday night that while the belief remains Ms Bulley fell into the River Wyre, enquiries will now focus on the exit from the river path where the 45-year-old may have been walking and which is not covered by CCTV.

The path leads from fields back to Garstang Road in St Michael’s on Wyre, and police will be sending letters to drivers who travelled along it on the morning of Jan 27, when Ms Bulley disappeared.''
“Our enquiries now focus on the river path that leads from the fields back to Garstang Road – for that we need drivers and cyclists who travelled that way on the morning of Jan 27 to make contact,” they said in a statement.

“We have already done a lot of work around this, but every piece of footage helps us build up a picture of movements on that morning. We will be making contact with drivers, who we believe were travelling down Garstang Road that morning via letter.”

Anyone who receives a letter has been urged to get in touch using the dedicated email NicolaBulleyInvestigation@lancashire.police.uk.''
I may be wrong, but I wonder if the police want all drivers/cyclists who passed through that road at that time to contact them for elimination? Despite believing NB drowned, they want to cover every scenario. I’m certain that all roads leading off that part, in all directions, have CCTV and you can guarantee they have the registrations of every vehicle that passed by that area in that short time frame.

So if someone doesn’t respond the police may wonder why. Perhaps they’re weeding out any possible suspects, if indeed there is a third party involved.
 
Also, because she's a strong swimmer it must be so hard to believe in an accident.

My OH is a strong swimmer and we live next to a 'spate' river. He takes daft risks . ( I didn't know myself - until I started following this thread - that thrashing around also makes your body cool down faster & didn't consider the cold water shock & hypothermia angle is literally minutes, not hours.)
Cold shock is not hyperthermia. For North Sea survival training they used to have a “cold dip”, involving immersion in the harbour till an unfortunate incident meant this was removed from the curriculum.

It something that happens when you head is suddenly immersed as well as your body.
Commonly called brain freeze when you eat cold ice cream.
The more intense version combined with extreme cold immersion can stun the individual and mean the May gasp for air whilst still immersed or be overwhelmed.

It’s not something I’d expect to overwhelm a fully clothed strong swimmer falling into a river in the absence of waves or string currents.

As for hypothermia well again a strong swimmer can survive surprisingly long, and clothing doesn’t generally make you sink, once immersed it keeps you warm although it might inihibit movement and make you tire more quickly.

Warmth is retained in the same way as in the air.

Warm water is trapped near the body to some extent and the layers reduce water flow accross the body .

I worked for many years as a swimming instructor and lifeguard and have some experience of open water swimming and apnea diving in various parts of the world.
 
Some answers possibly..
ByBlathnaid Corless and Will Bolton6 February 2023

''Police searching for the missing dog walker Nicola Bulley will contact specific drivers who may have dashcam footage that could help explain what happened to her.

Lancashire Constabulary said on Monday night that while the belief remains Ms Bulley fell into the River Wyre, enquiries will now focus on the exit from the river path where the 45-year-old may have been walking and which is not covered by CCTV.

The path leads from fields back to Garstang Road in St Michael’s on Wyre, and police will be sending letters to drivers who travelled along it on the morning of Jan 27, when Ms Bulley disappeared.''
“Our enquiries now focus on the river path that leads from the fields back to Garstang Road – for that we need drivers and cyclists who travelled that way on the morning of Jan 27 to make contact,” they said in a statement.

“We have already done a lot of work around this, but every piece of footage helps us build up a picture of movements on that morning. We will be making contact with drivers, who we believe were travelling down Garstang Road that morning via letter.”

Anyone who receives a letter has been urged to get in touch using the dedicated email NicolaBulleyInvestigation@lancashire.police.uk.''
Many thanks, very kind. Will have a careful look.

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''Images from the day Nicola Bulley ‘vanished’ revealed
CCTV images from the day Nicola Bulley went missing have been shared.
The pictures show the missing mother of two opening the boot of her car.

Feb 9 2023
''Police searching for Nicola Bulley have now said there is a ''possibility'' she left the river on a path not covered by CCTV.

Officers are now tracing dashcam footage from 700 motorists who drove along the road at around 9.20am on January 27.

It comes after Specialist Group International (SGI) said they were calling off their search efforts of the river earlier today.

Dive expert Peter Faulding said there is simply "no sign" of Nicola near to where she vanished around St Michael's on Wyre, Lancashire.

After reviewing CCTV from nearby Inskip, Police said they are confident Nicola did not leave the field near the river via Rowanwater.''
 
After reviewing CCTV from nearby Inskip, Police said they are confident Nicola did not leave the field near the river via Rowanwater.''
I don't understand this bit?
 
I may be wrong, but I wonder if the police want all drivers/cyclists who passed through that road at that time to contact them for elimination? Despite believing NB drowned, they want to cover every scenario. I’m certain that all roads leading off that part, in all directions, have CCTV and you can guarantee they have the registrations of every vehicle that passed by that area in that short time frame.

So if someone doesn’t respond the police may wonder why. Perhaps they’re weeding out any possible suspects, if indeed there is a third party involved.
Traffic master cameras and newer more discrete equivalents have extensive coverage of most major routes. The older readers may recall the blue cameras that didn’t seem to do anything, and people used to think “are they speedcams”.
These were never used for traffic enforcement. Initially the role was ostensibly traffic monitoring but in practice they could have been used to track the movements of terror suspects.
I’m unsure if there was any legislation preventing use in other cases .

It’s only more recently that there has been more openness about the use of these camera networks in Murder investigations.

Nowadays the network almost certainly has a good number of ANPR capable cameras.

I very much doubt the police would contact everyone who was driving near the area, even if they had a complete set of VRM data. It’s a fairly busy time of day in most areas, and police resources are not unlimited.

Contacting every driver via the DVLA keeper information then writing to them not visiting them before requesting and if necessary taking legal steps to access footage represents a huge investment in police time and resources.
The request is generally to allow members of the public to help by providing footage they might have.
 
I don't understand this bit?
Feb 7 2023 rbbm
''In an update, Lancashire Police said: "We can say with confidence that by reviewing CCTV, Nicola has not left the field during the key times via Rowanwater, either through the site itself or via the piece of land at the side. Also, we can say that she did not return from the fields along Allotment Lane or via the path at the rear of the Grapes pub on to Garstang Road.
"Our inquiries now focus on the river path which leads from the fields back to Garstang Road - for that we need drivers and cyclists who travelled that way on the morning of January 27 to make contact."
 
I meant I didn't understand how CCTV from Inskip meant they knew where she was or wasn't later on - brain glitch, sorry!


Thinking now, I presume the CCTV of the areas around where she disappeared showed she didn't leave by those routes, going by her appearance from the Inskip footage, right?
 
Updated Daily Mail article

'She may NEVER be found… no one knows. We have nothing': Dive expert says Nicola Bulley is NOT in the River Wyre – as hunt for the missing mother enters 14th day and friend urges police to search abandoned local house

Paul Ansell, 44, yesterday visited the scene where the mother-of-two is believed to have vanished while walking her dog by the River Wyre on January 27.

He spent around two hours at the river, but was informed by expert diver Peter Faulding that his partner 'may never be found'.

It comes as Mr Faulding, founder of specialist search team Specialist Group International (SGI), has dramatically called a halt to the search of the river after three days of meticulously combing the water.

He said: 'She may never be found. We don't know. No one knows. It is unusual because usually you have some evidence.

'Here we have nothing. We have nothing to go on apart from a phone and a harness.


 
Traffic master cameras and newer more discrete equivalents have extensive coverage of most major routes. The older readers may recall the blue cameras that didn’t seem to do anything, and people used to think “are they speedcams”.
These were never used for traffic enforcement. Initially the role was ostensibly traffic monitoring but in practice they could have been used to track the movements of terror suspects.
I’m unsure if there was any legislation preventing use in other cases .

It’s only more recently that there has been more openness about the use of these camera networks in Murder investigations.

Nowadays the network almost certainly has a good number of ANPR capable cameras.

I very much doubt the police would contact everyone who was driving near the area, even if they had a complete set of VRM data. It’s a fairly busy time of day in most areas, and police resources are not unlimited.

Contacting every driver via the DVLA keeper information then writing to them not visiting them before requesting and if necessary taking legal steps to access footage represents a huge investment in police time and resources.
The request is generally to allow members of the public to help by providing footage they might have.
possibly they can "subtract" people who appear daily in about the same place and time since those would most likely be work commuters- and then look more critically at any other vehicles that appear
 

ON 2/8/23 AT 7:15 AM EST

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Lancashire Police said on Monday they were carrying out a "huge number of inquiries" and had searched the river area using specialist teams and dogs, sonar and helicopters, as well as analysing data from the missing woman's cellphone and Fitbit.

"We have received a huge amount of information into the inquiry, all of which is being looked at," they said in a statement.

[..]

But Faulding, who has offered SGI's services to Bulley's family, told British broadcaster GB News on Sunday: "The amount of searching that's gone on in this river, I would have thought she would have been found by now.

"Normally when a person drowns, if they are left a number of days they don't move very far. This is not a fast tidal river. So, I would have expected her to be found by the police divers by now."

"None of this rings right to me," he added. "My belief is she's not in the river at all."

In an interview on ITV show Good Morning Britain, he said: "I think there's probably a third party involved."

Responding to a question about Faulding's comments, Riley said she thanked SGI for its assistance, adding that although search teams had not located Bulley in the water, this did not mean that she "has not been in the river."

"Our main belief is that Nicola did fall into the river," she said. "Mr Faulding isn't included within all the investigation details, any more than any of the members of the public are."

Bulley's phone, which was still connected to a Microsoft Teams call, was discovered on a bench near the river. At approximately 9:33 a.m., her cellphone and her dog, Willow, were found by a witness, Riley said.
 
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