Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

[Fishwick]

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[Destroyer]

I’m sure we will find out soon

CCTV cameras could be trained outside the front door. Maybe NB dropped the kids outside the gate. Would the CCTV reach that far

CCTV cameras could be trained outside the front door. Maybe NB dropped the kids outside the gate. Would the CCTV reach that far?

 

[mrjitty]

@mrjitty

RSBM
1. Search warrant required (unless permission given)

any self-respecting, upright citizen would allow the police in to look around in such a case, as they would be only to glad to help. Wouldn't you?

2. Do you think the owner would not notice is NB was in the house for days on end?

not going there as you have missed my inference.

As I've said before, i would be happy for police to look around my own property, as it include forested area, where it would be easy for anyone in the area to discard something.

Would I allow them to search my house? No? At most I would consider letting one person in and show them around. No search. Frankly I think the utility of searching residences in this instance is zero.

 

[Lilbitcurious]

I'll be honest if a colleague of mine was missing I wouldn't be speaking to the press either or posting on social media about it.

Yip IMO you let LE deal with it that way info doesn’t get misinterpreted

 

[cottonweaver]

@mrjitty

RSBM
1. Search warrant required (unless permission given)

any self-respecting, upright citizen would allow the police in to look around in such a case, as they would be only to glad to help. Wouldn't you?

2. Do you think the owner would not notice is NB was in the house for days on end?

not going there as you have missed my inference.

maybe he has given permission and LE have since visited and they were invited in.
Would LE release detailed info on all the properties they've said they've already been invited into?

 

[PeteG85]

I think the man this refers to was the 70 year old walking towards Rowanwater that the police put out a request for as a possible witness? He wasn't named and didn't speak to the press but his wife spoke a day or two later on his behalf

Thank you

 

[mrjitty]

maybe he has given permission and LE have since visited and they were invited in.
Would LE release detailed info on all the properties they've said they've already been invited into?

To my mind the priority was to eliminate outbuildings and private property where the owner might not have been home in the working day, or perhaps which are not occupied out of season.

Searching inside locked buildings seems near pointless IMO

IIRC this house is on the other side of the river?

In any event, it irrationally annoys my ex-lawyer nature to read complaints about police not searching properties for which they might not have any permission, or any real reason to search, just because the media gets fixated on an old house.

 

[jackal67]

Did she say that?
Really?
She has been consistent in her statements that only one exit was not fully covered by CCTV.

Our CCTV enquiries have focused on Nicola’s movements and whether she could have left the fields near to the river, whether that be via Allotment Lane, the river path leading to Garstang Road, or by Rowanwater at the top of the upper field.

Most of our sightings of Nicola have been by witnesses who knew her and that has enabled us to plot her movements from the school, along the river path and into the field.

We can say with confidence that by reviewing CCTV, Nicola has not left the field during the key times via Rowanwater, either through the site itself or via the piece of land at the side.

Also, we can say that she did not return from the fields along Allotment Lane or via the path at the rear of the Grapes pub onto Garstang Road.

Our enquiries now focus on the river path which leads from the fields back to Garstang Road – for that we need drivers and cyclists who travelled that way on the morning of January 27 to make contact. We have already done a lot of work around this, but every piece of footage helps us build up a picture of movements on that morning.

Lancashire Constabulary - Missing Nicola Bulley - latest update

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

lancashire.police.uk

Bit of a stretch to suggest she sneaked out, isn't it?

sorry . 2 separate things in the article/ interview you linked that I was replying to. It said police think it possible that NB could have left with a 3rd party.
I will go back and 're read it. It was the one you commented oh dear on?

 

[Davieson]

maybe he has given permission and LE have since visited and they were invited in.
Would LE release detailed info on all the properties they've said they've already been invited into?

Not unless it was of any benefit for them to do so. IMO

 

[Allabouttrial]

I think initially police insisted Nicola had had a fall into the river due to the time window suggested by sightings of her - it's not very much time, if you believe the times of the sightings of her are accurate.

My feeling was that as all the sightings of her were estimated times ( I read that she was seen at 9:10, and then someone found her dog, unharnessed and with lead off at 9:30), those times were up for debate. It may be that were accurate - you can check afterwards when your texts came in - after you saw your friend etc without looking at the clock at the time...

Due to the short window, the police perhaps assumed a fall, quite reasonably, as the chances of someone attacking her and abducting her in such a difficult-to-reach area within 15 minutes unnoticed were slim.

On the other hand, what if the phone was dropped when she was potentially attacked? Someone could have gone back and put it on the bench, *advertiser censored* suggested by investigators today. Or, if it was dropped (perhaps deliberately, by Nicola?), someone could have just found it and put it there - as people sometimes do with gloves or hats found on walks.

My other thoughts about her disappearing at that time are more to do with who knew she was there, and who knew she was on her phone. Do we even know how long she was up there walking?

If someone knew she was logged into a Teams call and also where she was, it would be easy enough to plan to put the phone there after something dreadful was done. Perhaps she never reached the bench. It would explain the lack of forensics. I have questions about the person who tied up the dog they didn't know.

Geographically, this suggests to me the police should be inspecting the possible exit-points. Properties nearby have been looked at. What about forensics at nearby car parks, roadsides etc.? Where was Nicola's usual entry point to a walk, and when she let the dog go where would she have logically wandered to both being to hear the call and see the dog? Where could she have been approached without seeing the person approaching? Why wouldn't she run if it was someone unknown to her?

My feeling is she was either approached silently and unaware of that known/unknown person approaching her, or else it was someone she knew and that's why she wasn't panicked. Whatever happened next possibly happened out of sight of the dog, and that's why it wasn't stressed. As far as the dog is concerned, Nicola is alive. For all we know, she may be?

I believe the police may have mentioned all the possible exits a couple of times.

 

[cottonweaver]

To my mind the priority was to eliminate outbuildings and private property where the owner might not have been home in the working day, or perhaps which are not occupied out of season.

Searching inside locked buildings seems near pointless IMO

IIRC this house is on the other side of the river?

In any event, it irrationally annoys my ex-lawyer nature to read complaints about police not searching properties for which they might not have any permission, or any real reason to search, just because the media gets fixated on an old house.

yes it's on the other side of the river from the bench

They're also demanding the river gauging station be searched but afaik that would've been locked and either EA or river authority is key holder. ( Might also have been checked already )

link for this photo Nicola Bulley's friend urges police to search abandoned house


'Abandoned and derelict buildings along the river have been broken into by members of the public carrying out their own investigations.
Super Riley, yesterday's presser:
She added: 'There are some properties along the riverside which are empty or derelict and whilst it may be well-intentioned that people think that that could be a line of inquiry, I would ask them to desist from doing that.

'In some cases it may be criminal if they are breaking in, causing damage or committing a burglary.

'We have gone into derelict property - including ones on the riverside, (and) any under renovation that were empty - with the permission of those owners and their knowledge.'

 

[kittythehare]

sorry . 2 separate things in the article/ interview you linked that I was replying to. It said police think it possible that NB could have left with a 3rd party.
I will go back and 're read it. It was the one you commented oh dear on?

I started thinking lately I should add a disclaimer to media posts saying I don't believe them and I didn't write them..
They're running with a fake concept that police just 'admitted' she could have left via the exit they have been seeking info on all along..
They threw in a third party cos that is what they do..
Egregious.
By morning they will have a new angle.
All of this is sheer torture for a suffering family and children.
I'm talking lightly but I'm feeling really heavy about it.
I see it as cruelty and exploitation.

 

[cottonweaver]

Not unless it was of any benefit for them to do so. IMO

So not even to family if family asked? Too specific?

It's just that twice, Superintendant Riley has said that every day the team update the family and also she said they tell them of the upcoming search plans.

 

[dotr]

Police say ‘possibility’ Nicola Bulley left area on path not covered by CCTV

Lancashire Police say members of public searching St Michael’s on Wyre not helping

www.independent.co.uk

''Police have said they think Nicola Bulley could have left the riverside on a path that was not covered by CCTV, as the specialist rescue team searching for her has indicated that it will pull out of the investigation within hours.

Peter Faulding described the case as “baffling” and told reporters that he was “absolutely 100 per cent” sure that Ms Bulley’s body was not in the stretch of river scoured by his team of divers and sonar equipment.''

'KEY POINTS​

• Nicola Bulley’s body ‘may have been swept out to sea'
• Friend hits out at those making scene a ‘tourist spot’
• Stop taking law into your own hands, police urge
• New images show Nicola Bulley leaving home on day she disappeared
• Friend shares ‘11 facts you may not know’ about Nicola Bulley’s disappearance''

 

[poirotoupierrot]

Looking at the timings, the route Nicola took from Garstang Road - the only place she could have been approached from without seeing the person which also has residences and road access is Garstang Road, where the trees are. The upper field seems an impossible place to have been abducted, so I think it's a red herring. The timing's wrong and the person who saw her has got it wrong in earnest, or something else.

If an attack happened, it was likely nearer to the woods and by placing her in the upper field later it throws all that. Which suggests to me it's either someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, or someone who has an interest in throwing off the investigation. The phone being on the bench is completely irrelevant to me now. I reckon it was put there by someone trying to imply Nicola drowning, when in fact I think something else happened.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Sorry but Willow was found "agitated"

I read 'worried look on his face' in previous quotes.

 

[PeggyHenry]

I think initially police insisted Nicola had had a fall into the river due to the time window suggested by sightings of her - it's not very much time, if you believe the times of the sightings of her are accurate.

My feeling was that as all the sightings of her were estimated times ( I read that she was seen at 9:10, and then someone found her dog, unharnessed and with lead off at 9:30), those times were up for debate. It may be that were accurate - you can check afterwards when your texts came in - after you saw your friend etc without looking at the clock at the time...

Due to the short window, the police perhaps assumed a fall, quite reasonably, as the chances of someone attacking her and abducting her in such a difficult-to-reach area within 15 minutes unnoticed were slim.

On the other hand, what if the phone was dropped when she was potentially attacked? Someone could have gone back and put it on the bench, *advertiser censored* suggested by investigators today. Or, if it was dropped (perhaps deliberately, by Nicola?), someone could have just found it and put it there - as people sometimes do with gloves or hats found on walks.

My other thoughts about her disappearing at that time are more to do with who knew she was there, and who knew she was on her phone. Do we even know how long she was up there walking?

If someone knew she was logged into a Teams call and also where she was, it would be easy enough to plan to put the phone there after something dreadful was done. Perhaps she never reached the bench. It would explain the lack of forensics. I have questions about the person who tied up the dog they didn't know.

Geographically, this suggests to me the police should be inspecting the possible exit-points. Properties nearby have been looked at. What about forensics at nearby car parks, roadsides etc.? Where was Nicola's usual entry point to a walk, and when she let the dog go where would she have logically wandered to both being to hear the call and see the dog? Where could she have been approached without seeing the person approaching? Why wouldn't she run if it was someone unknown to her?

My feeling is she was either approached silently and unaware of that known/unknown person approaching her, or else it was someone she knew and that's why she wasn't panicked. Whatever happened next possibly happened out of sight of the dog, and that's why it wasn't stressed. As far as the dog is concerned, Nicola is alive. For all we know, she may be?

I tend to think it was someone she knew and was happy to talk to.. at least at first. Creates less disturbance. Any tragic outcome may not originally have been intended.
I’d like to know if she looked different in terms of clothing to how she normally looked. There is a chance she was expecting to meet someone .. or to go on from the walk to meet someone. In relation to the new mortgage business.

 

[Davieson]

So not even to family if family asked? Too specific?

It's just that twice, Superintendant Riley has said that every day the team update the family and also she said they tell them of the upcoming search plans.

I'm sure they don't tell the family everything
With gobby friends, it would all get leaked and that can't be helpful

 

[Sarahlou]

I have a truly genuine question : If TA or EW had an account on WS , would we be allowed to discuss their info/posts ?
Not that they should , mind you .

They could request to become a verified insider.

 

[kittythehare]

Looking at the timings, the route Nicola took from Garstang Road - the only place she could have been approached from without seeing the person which also has residences and road access is Garstang Road, where the trees are. The upper field seems an impossible place to have been abducted, so I think it's a red herring. The timing's wrong and the person who saw her has got it wrong in earnest, or something else.

If an attack happened, it was likely nearer to the woods and by placing her in the upper field later it throws all that. Which suggests to me it's either someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, or someone who has an interest in throwing off the investigation. The phone being on the bench is completely irrelevant to me now. I reckon it was put there by someone trying to imply Nicola drowning, when in fact I think something else happened.

I trust almost any police force to interview a witness correctly.
I see no reason to believe they have been remiss here.
It's not the same kind of interview as that of a journalist.
The techniques are different and the objective is different.

They are currently contacting over 700 drivers for dashcam or witness information for a very specific time and I honestly cannot see them investing in that amount resources and manpower without being very very sure of their timings.