Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

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1. Voluntary exit by NB. Won't speculate specifically why, or where she went, or where she is - the options are numerous. Whatever the specifics, she would have voluntarily left the riverside, and she wasn't seen leaving. Implies she deliberately left her belongings, I won't speculate why.

2. Disagreement with someone she knew, or knew of, that resulted in her leaving the riverside and eventually coming to harm. There are lots of scenarios potential scenarios here, and I won't speculate. In all of them, she's not seen leaving, and her belongings and dog were likely returned to the scene. Exactly when they were returned to the scene would depend on who the third party was - it's either before 9.33, or any point before 10.50.

3. NB was never in the riverside area. Implies, for whatever reason, that she simply did not arrive there after dropping the girls at school, and that witness statements are either deliberately fabricated or mistaken - either is possible, and it kind of depends again on the reason. This scenario implies her belongings were placed at the scene. I give this whole scenario less likelihood because I assume telephony data gives LE more confidence she was there. Unless LE can prove she was there (dash-cam/CCTV), we have to go on witness statement combined with phone data - which together are pretty solid (hence why I think this is the least likely option), but don't completely guarantee NB was there, in person.
SBM for brevity. Thank you so much for your very reasoned post. My thoughts as to your remaining theories.

1. I don't think she would have left the dog on a voluntary exit. She could have left the dog in the car. I do not think she would want to cause such distress to her children and parents either.

2. I like this sceario better. I hadn't thought of the dog, harness, lead and phone being returned later. However, I would guess that the phone data would confirm this scenario?

My thoughts are, she is somewhere in the area walked but not in the river.

3. I agree that this is less likely than your other scenarios. I think the witness accounts are probably accurate as they can be. I believe that she was there and something happened in the upper field area.
 
National Crime Agency sometimes referred to as British FBI. Deals mainly with organised crime, mainly of a financial nature.
As an ex NCA officer I can say that that's not really accurate.

Organised crime is the focus - the finacial investigations are typically a follow up to the conviscation of assests, etc, following a trial or to prove money laundering as part of a criminal charge.
 
I saw the structure that I think you mean, but I don’t know if I’d describe it as a barn. Maybe others would, but I suppose it’s not helpful regardless, as we don’t know if that’s where the witness is referring to. I’m a bit sceptical about this overall. An old red van sounds too much like something out of a TV series for my liking. JMO.
the detached house next to it is St Micahel's Hall Farm Glamping company.
old tatty vans are ten-a-penny in the agricultural area where I live ( that doesn't mean that they might not be used by a perpetrator but just saying)

anyway, here's what the Super said about contacting of vehicles ( just cause she mentions local vehicles) at presser, Tues 7th Feb:

Reporter - (asks if the vehicles were seen on any entry and exit footage to the river)

Superintendent - Well, I'm not going to talk about how some of those vehicles have been identified, but suffice to say we have identified them. We are in the process of writing to all of them to ask them to come forward and either confirm or negate whether they have anything that they could help us with.

Reporter - That's not being done in door to door terms, you've not been knocking on all their doors?

Superintendent - Clearly, not all drivers are local, so we are writing to all those who aren't in the local area, but as I said before, extensive house to house has been done, so if they're in the village they will have been spoken to. Thank you.



the link takes you to further discussion around the 700 vehicles too
 
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As an ex NCA officer I can say that that's not really accurate.

Organised crime is the focus - the finacial investigations are typically a follow up to the conviscation of assests, etc, following a trial or to prove money laundering as part of a criminal charge.
Would it be normal for the NCA to be involved in this case? Or a missing persons case? Thanks.
 
I've gone round in circles on this (as we all have!), but overall, IMO she did not enter the water in an accident as per LE's main working hypothesis. I do think something has occurred which is out of the ordinary, possibly 'foul play' by some party, but I do not think she was abducted. I'll try to explain my thinking, apologies in advance for the long post!

Why I think she's not in the water:

- I'm taken by the speed and scale of the initial response (helicopters in the air -presumably with thermal imaging IMO, searches on the banks etc.), and I find it surprising she was not seen/found that afternoon, given it was a low incoming tide

- I'm taken by the fact that she (nor any clothes or belongings) still hasn't been found 13 days of intense searching later. I understand that rivers are complex and finding people in water is hard, but given the intensity of the search in a "known" location, this feels surprising.
- As much as Paul Faulding is a self-serving [expletive] - snipped by me! - (IMO), I do believe he knows his stuff about water searches, so I'm taken by the fact a) he and his team also haven't found anything, and b) his opinion that it would be nearly impossible for NB to end up in the sea. This is supported, perhaps, by the fact of the unfortunate 2yr old drowning victim found on mudflats. If a 2yr old enters the water while it's in flood, and enters right down near the Shard Bridge, but still doesn't end up in the sea, it seems far less likely that an adult does, falling in above the weir, at low tide. IMO.

I'm not saying she's definitely not in the water - of course not. But taken all together, on the balance of probabilities IMO she is not.

Why I don't think she was abducted from the fields/riverside:

- Mainly, I trust LE on this, in that I think they just cannot countenance it with the evidence and information they have. Particularly: the relative lack of suitable exit points (vehicular or otherwise), relative lack of opportunity (I do accept that it only takes a few seconds, but not if the only exit point is down a single track path with a 5 minute walk), and the total lack (apparently) of evidence - at the scene, in follow-up enquiries etc.
By the way, I also extend this to thinking she wasn't attacked in the fields, and I also rule out all the (IMO) far-fetched scenarios around stranger attacks / abductions, including but not limited to: pulled into Rowanwater, kidnapped by boat, etc.

Why I think something 'fishy' might have happened:

- I'm totally unconvinced by the witness statements (or at least what's been released of them by LE). They are inconsistent and unreliable, and have been since the outset. I'm sure this is exacerbated by LE/media sloppiness, but that's not my problem - from what I can read, the witness reports are almost completely unreliable. If there's evidence (such as CCTV) that would support witness statements, I cannot for the life of me understand why LE wouldn't release it. I therefore assume there is none. This by the way is not necessarily to imply any wrongdoing on the part of the witnesses, but to bring in to question the timelines and/or NB's presence in the fields - at the least.

- I think PA's decision to call the police immediately, combined with their decision to react immediately, suggests there is information not yet released (perhaps never will be) which has caused this fast reaction. I won't speculate on what that piece of information may be.

- I'm generally concerned about the lack of video evidence of NB at any time after leaving her home. Again, if it exists I cannot think why it wouldn't have been released, so I am assuming it does not exist. This in itself is not 'fishy' (it's a rural area), but it serves to increase the likelihood that if something fishy has happened, it could have gone unnoticed

- Whilst I don't subscribe to 'woo woo'-type thinking or conspiracies, I do feel that the 'wisdom of the crowd' and the 'gut-sense' that something's off is not to be sniffed at. As humans, we got to where we are by being good at interpreting social cues, pattern recognition, and sensing danger etc. Sometimes this means we get anxious/fearful when we shouldn't, but sometimes it means we're good at 'sensing' when something isn't right. A lot of people 'sense' something isn't right, and I do put some weight on that.

So what does that leave?

Here are my remaining theories, in order of likelihood (IMO) - and I am being careful not to be victim-unfriendly or overly speculative on anyone not a POI.

1. Voluntary exit by NB. Won't speculate specifically why, or where she went, or where she is - the options are numerous. Whatever the specifics, she would have voluntarily left the riverside, and she wasn't seen leaving. Implies she deliberately left her belongings, I won't speculate why.

2. Disagreement with someone she knew, or knew of, that resulted in her leaving the riverside and eventually coming to harm. There are lots of scenarios potential scenarios here, and I won't speculate. In all of them, she's not seen leaving, and her belongings and dog were likely returned to the scene. Exactly when they were returned to the scene would depend on who the third party was - it's either before 9.33, or any point before 10.50.

3. NB was never in the riverside area. Implies, for whatever reason, that she simply did not arrive there after dropping the girls at school, and that witness statements are either deliberately fabricated or mistaken - either is possible, and it kind of depends again on the reason. This scenario implies her belongings were placed at the scene. I give this whole scenario less likelihood because I assume telephony data gives LE more confidence she was there. Unless LE can prove she was there (dash-cam/CCTV), we have to go on witness statement combined with phone data - which together are pretty solid (hence why I think this is the least likely option), but don't completely guarantee NB was there, in person.
Excellent reasoning and, as far as I see it, hard to argue with.
 

I don’t know if this as already been posted, the lady in the red coat as been named in the paper from the CCTV who they asked to come forward.
 
Why did the person who reported the van feel the need to contact the papers?
I would presume they are concerned the police may not have investigated. That is a possibility and if so, drawing MSM attention to it may help to direct LE back in that direction. But we have seen how quickly these reports in MSM can get out of hand.
 
I agree with you that I hope the family ger closure soon.

But I don't agree the case is 'crazy'. IMO Nicola fell in, drowned and was washed out to the estuary probably within a few days.
I agree and it's just terribly sad. Two young children who she doted on won't have their Mum in their lives as they grow up. She should be by their side as they go through life and finish school, have children and get married. Lives torn apart just because of a simple but tragic accident it would seem. It's heartbreaking to say the least.
 
I think there are only 4 things that I am certain of at the moment.

1. If a post starts with "I am not sure if this has been mentioned before but ...", the answer is yes, it has, repeatedly. Look back and also read the pinned posts.
2. If a posts starts "I am not sure if I am allowed to say this but....." the answer is most likely "No you are not". If in doubt, read the rules.
3. My phone and my dog are probably about the only things I would never leave unattended (other than momentarily while still in view or to react to an "emergency". ) For the avoidance of doubt, I don't have any children!
4. IF Nicola is no longer with us I hope for her sake that her passing was quick and painless and that she was not suffering or afraid.

I wish I had something more constructive to say. There is so much information and so few answers. I cannot begin to comprehend how Nicola's family are coping with this.
 

Nicola had previously been married to businessman Simon Booth.

He is now the partner of Coronation Street star Jodie Prenger, who plays Glenda Shuttleworth in the ITV1 soap.

When contacted at his home in Pilling on the Lancashire coast, Mr Booth said he did not want to comment out of respect for Nicola’s parents, adding that he not seen his former wife for 12 years.

Above statement is from the link.
 
The NCA website doesn't state anything about dealing with missing persons cases, but it does state that they deal with fraud.
Yes, I know, I used to work for them :)

As of now, this is not a criminal investigation. However, sometimes resorces from places like the NCA can be used to assist in large scale missing persons cases. Each case is different.
 
Peter Faulding actually changed his mind about and later said it was possible Nicola could have been washed further downstream.

I'm not an expert as such but have spent about 40 years around tidal rivers in the UK. I still maintain she was probably washed into the estuary within a few days of her falling in (as I believe she did). We shall see. I just hope the family get closure soon.
good to have you here

yes it's tidal from the weir and how many low tides have there been since she disappeared?
I've heard that the tide can really pull heavy items out of that estuary. ( Weirs not far from the bench, 100 yards or so)
 
National Crime Agency sometimes referred to as British FBI. Deals mainly with organised crime, mainly of a financial nature.

According to their website NCA is involved in much more. The following is just a small example.





Major crime investigative support for police forces dealing with serious crime investigations including no body murder, abduction and serial sexual crimes. Many police forces will conduct relatively few investigations into major crimes and as a result it is more appropriate, and cost-effective, for the NCA to retain niche, specialist skills on a permanent basis and be the single point of contact for all law enforcement.






 
I think there are only 4 things that I am certain of at the moment.

1. If a post starts with "I am not sure if this has been mentioned before but ...", the answer is yes, it has, repeatedly. Look back and also read the pinned posts.
2. If a posts starts "I am not sure if I am allowed to say this but....." the answer is most likely "No you are not". If in doubt, read the rules.
3. My phone and my dog are probably about the only things I would never leave unattended (other than momentarily while still in view or to react to an "emergency". ) For the avoidance of doubt, I don't have any children!
4. IF Nicola is no longer with us I hope for her sake that her passing was quick and painless and that she was not suffering or afraid.

I wish I had something more constructive to say. There is so much information and so few answers. I cannot begin to comprehend how Nicola's family are coping with this.
Spot on!
 
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