UK - Nurse duped by prankster regarding royal, found dead.

[mikeysmommom]

That's the problem with hoaxing-they don't know if the person they are hoaxing has a condition.
I guess this is a risk they are willing to take at somebody's expense.

With her condition should she have been working in a job where the stress is high and was the hospital aware of her condition?All they did was ask for Kates room her taking her life had nothing to do with that IMO.Who is to blame for her previous tries?

 

[mikeysmommom]

I believe it is entirely possible that this woman had financial concerns before. But when she was "exposed" as having transferred the call---her license to practice was in jeopardy and therefore her job and livelihood. It might send a lot of RN's over the edge. Losing everything you've worked for and poverty afterward? It would be difficult for the strongest person. MOO

I would think attempting to kill herself twice and being on anti depressants would be a much bigger concern to her of the hospital finding out then simple transferring a call.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Since she had 2 prior attempts that the husband neglected to share,IMO He is not entitled to a dime.Was her prior attempts kept quiet to stir up enough outrage with the public so some kind of monetary payment would be offered and is that illegal?Withholding important important information from authorities if in fact he did that. I read numerous articles and never saw a word about the 2 attempts or her being on antidepressants til now.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Since she had 2 prior attempts that the husband neglected to share,IMO He is not entitled to a dime.Was her prior attempts kept quiet to stir up enough outrage with the public so some kind of monetary payment would be offered and is that illegal?Withholding important important information from authorities if in fact he did that. I read numerous articles and never saw a word about the 2 attempts or her being on antidepressants til now.

The money was to be calculated at end of year so I'm wondering if this new info came out through investigations done by either LE or austereo .. Pure speculation, but is it possible a little background checking was done by those thinking 'well there must have been something wrong before this' just as we had. I'll be very interested to see if austereo pays the previously agreed moneys...

 

[jjenny]

Seriously? Some of you think that an employee has a right to fire a worker if they find out that worker is on anti-depressants? What are depressed people supposed to do? Not take their medication?

 

[jjenny]

The money was to be calculated at end of year so I'm wondering if this new info came out through investigations done by either LE or austereo .. Pure speculation, but is it possible a little background checking was done by those thinking 'well there must have been something wrong before this' just as we had. I'll be very interested to see if austereo pays the previously agreed moneys...

So if they hoaxed a happy person and that person killed themselves, that would be horrible? But it's perfectly fine to hoax someone with per-existing condition? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Isn't it predictable that hoaxing a person in a fragile state could lead to suicide? So why would you think they now wouldn't want to pay the money?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

The hoax did not kill her!
She killed herself.

IMO she was very unstable and hell bent on killing herself.

If it wasn't for the hoax, I'm sure it would've been something else. Could have been anything really.
Life is not always roses. She didn't want to live.

Blaming her death on a phone call is crazy to me.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

So if they hoaxed a happy person and that person killed themselves, that would be horrible? But it's perfectly fine to hoax someone with per-existing condition? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Isn't it predictable that hoaxing a person in a fragile state could lead to suicide? So why would you think they now wouldn't want to pay the money?

I have no idea how you drew any of these conclusions from my post...

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Oh except for the last part .. I think they won't pay the money because the fact there were two previous suicide attempts which the family didn't divulge at the time of the agreement has got them off the hook somewhat, but we shall see.

 

[Elley Mae]

I didn't know the "hoax" was on her, did she think the hoax was on her?

 

[Angelonline]

Seriously? Some of you think that an employee has a right to fire a worker if they find out that worker is on anti-depressants? What are depressed people supposed to do? Not take their medication?

I certainly don't think anyone being on antidepressants is a reason to fire someone. But here in the states if she had two previous attempts (or even one) and the employers knew about it then I am fairly certain her license could be suspended or revoked. Maybe a nurse or someone with the medical profession could weigh in. Nursing requirements in my state are stringent you have to get a medical exam, a psych exam, blood work and are tested for std's, just to attend nursing school. That part I know for certain because I was in nursing school about 15 yrs ago before i decided it wasnt for me and changed my major. Also one of my daughters is a PCG and they required all of those things as well as a FBI background check in order for her to be licensed. Her employment contract included random drug testing, and a yearly physical and psych exam.

 

[SallyLu]

Since she had 2 prior attempts that the husband neglected to share,IMO He is not entitled to a dime.Was her prior attempts kept quiet to stir up enough outrage with the public so some kind of monetary payment would be offered and is that illegal?Withholding important important information from authorities if in fact he did that. I read numerous articles and never saw a word about the 2 attempts or her being on antidepressants til now.

Also the 60 questions asked in sometimes a rather accusatory manner concern me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Duchess-Cambridge-attempted-kill-before.html

Jacintha family demand answers to SIXTY questions of radio station's parent company and the hospital where she worked

THE grieving family of nurse Jacintha Saldanha have sent 60 questions to the Australian media group behind the hoax phone call and the hospital where she committed suicide.

In their search for answers surrounding the death, the family posed 40 questions in a letter to King Edward VII’s Hospital, where Ms Saldanha worked as a nurse and where the Duchess of Cambridge was being treated for acute morning sickness.


They asked a further 20 questions in a letter to Southern Cross Austereo, the parent company of 2Day FM, whose DJs pretended to be the Queen and Prince Charles in the December 4 call, which Ms Saldanha answered.


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[mikeysmommom]

Seriously? Some of you think that an employee has a right to fire a worker if they find out that worker is on anti-depressants? What are depressed people supposed to do? Not take their medication?

Yes when they are working in a position such as health care. I would want someone who can handle the pressure with a clear head if my loved one or even myself were in a life and death situation.Doctors and nurses need to be able to focus on their patients and deal with emergency situations.Employers in most states do not even need a reason to fire a worker.

ETA Most anti depressants cloud thinking and response time and someone who tried to kill themselves twice in a short time would need more help then just taking a pill IMO.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

From the article posted by SallyLu above:

One question suggests Ms Saldanha may have been involved in a dispute with a colleague a few weeks before the Duchess was admitted. Another implies that the 46-year-old, whose body was discovered on December 7, may have been ‘spoken to’ by the hospital’s matron by telephone a day after the prank call.
The letter to Southern Cross Austereo asks if there is ‘any evidence’ that 2Day FM staff called the hospital five times to alert them that they were about to broadcast the prank. The letter also questions why no staff at the station or parent company have attempted to contact the family since the hoax call.
Ms Saldanha’s husband Benedict Barboza, son Junal and adopted daughter Lisha were greeted by Mr Vaz at Heathrow Airport yesterday on their return to Britain after the funeral of the nurse in India.
Southern Cross Austereo could not be reached for a comment.

Funny how his name keeps popping up isn't it? I have no proof, and this is complete speculation .. but I am unshaken in my belief that Mr Vaz is the person behind the 60 / 40 / 20 questions, and the individual who influenced the family not to mention the previous suicide attempts.

Oh did I say influenced? I meant coached.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...idge-attempted-kill-before.html#ixzz2Gif9RrdO
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[Estelle]

From the article posted by SallyLu above:

Funny how his name keeps popping up isn't it? I have no proof, and this is complete speculation .. but I am unshaken in my belief that Mr Vaz is the person behind the 60 / 40 / 20 questions, and the individual who influenced the family not to mention the previous suicide attempts.

Oh did I say influenced? I meant coached.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...idge-attempted-kill-before.html#ixzz2Gif9RrdO

Keith Vaz on Jacintha Saldanha's children: This could be me 42 years ago'

Controversial veteran MP discusses the family tragedy that has helped drive his latest campaign

The Guardian, Wednesday 2 January 2013 19.12 GMT

Keith Vaz with Jacintha Saldanha's daughter Lisha at a mass held in her mother's memory at Westminster cathedral. Photograph: Ray Tang /Rex Features

Snapshots of Keith Vaz's political life cover the walls of his office overlooking the Thames: Vaz pictured with Nelson Mandela, Vaz sitting alongside a smiling Hugh Grant, Vaz with Lewis Hamilton, Vaz shaking the hand of Amir Khan, Vaz with the home secretary, Theresa May; all testament to an influential politician who appears to enjoy basking in the limelight.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jan/02/keith-vaz-jacintha-saldanha-children-this-could-be-me

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Thought you might want to see Austerio DJ's get slapped down again on-air for being stupidly rude to the wrong person....

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...yond-the-kitchen/story-fn907478-1226556149410

I can't stand this station, if I owned it I'd be sacking creative management and starting again.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Australian radio show at heart of royal prank taken off air permanently

"An Australian radio show whose prank targeting Prince William's pregnant wife went horribly wrong has been taken off the air for good."

"The Hot30 Countdown" was suspended temporarily after the December prank, when the network expressed deep regret for the nurse who apparently committed suicide after routing through a call from the show's DJs to the royal ward."

"Over the weekend, the show was permanently taken off the air."

"In response to a user comment, the Facebook page said the two DJ's, Mel Greig and Michael Christian, "continue to have our full support and we look forward to them returning to work when the time is right!"

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/28/world/europe/uk-royal-hospital-prank/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Still no word on promised payout to family ...

 

[Estelle]

29 January 2013

This morning's newspaper carried an item about a nurse commiting suicide and it was pointed out that she was recently found negligent in the hospital (wrong drug was about to be injected into a patient) and she was under some stress.

Whilst it is true the nurse was about to make a serious (sometimes fatal) mistake, there is a tendency by hospital authorities to take harsh measures including dismissal of the wrong doer. But it is more important for the hospital authorities to look at the circumstances leading to this (governance, improper labeling, poor vision, poor work ambience, supervision and support and other correctable measures) to prevent such things happening again. It is also important to provide support to the nurse who may be consumed by a sense of guilt which in turn prompts such tragic events.

Mathew K Jose, Physician

Private, Kozhuppakalam Kottayam India

http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f152/rr/627838


If this is true, is this the secret that has been covered up by family and hospital?

 

[Estelle]

30 Jan 2013 Jacintha Saldanha Should Not Be Treated As A Martyr

The Catholic Church takes the stand that committing suicide is a grave sin and traditionally refuses to accord a standard funeral with religious rites. However, in Saldahna’s case, an exception seems to have been made.

Committing suicide is wrong, whatever be the circumstances or provocation. There was a time not so long ago when committing suicide was an offence under the Indian Penal Code. One who fumbled in a suicide attempt had to face criminal charges on top of everything else. These days, it is no longer a crime to attempt suicide, and rightly so. A person who attempts suicide and fails deserves support. However, that still does not make it the right thing to do. Was the prank played on Jacintha Saldanha so destructive that she had to commit suicide? I don’t think so. Let’s not forget the fact that Saldanha made a mistake by transferring the call. It was negligence, no doubt about it and if the hospital had taken disciplinary action against Saldanha, such action would have been justified. A receptionist isn’t meant to transfer calls just like that. True, Saldanha was not a trained receptionist, but these are basic things.

I don’t know if the hospital was planning to penalise Saldanha or if she was being bullied by her colleagues on account of her faux pas. We won’t know if Saldanha lacked family support at a time of crisis. We do know that Saldanha found day-to-day living unbearable and made a third attempt to kill herself. This time she succeeded.

India’s suicide rate is higher than the world average and Bangalore, which is not far from Saldahna’s native Mangalore, is considered to be the suicide capital of India. In many societies, it is morally acceptable to commit suicide in certain circumstances, such as when there is loss of honour etc. However, rather than make a martyr of Jacintha Saldahna, a message needs to be sent out that even in circumstances such as those Saldanha found herself in, committing suicide is not the right thing to do.

http://winnowed.blogspot.com.au/2013...e-treated.html