UK - Nurse duped by prankster regarding royal, found dead.

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If the nurse had English as a second language the Aussie accent would be undetectable. It is the long vowels which are distinguishable. The call was passed to the nurse from the main reception.

Chicken was the person who put the call through to the Princess of the UK. Egg was the numbskull that thought they were better than the confidentiality of the medical profession.

I had egg as the guy who got the promotion and Mel as the chicken who filed. Everyone should have laughed this off months ago IMO, except for the nurse committing suicide they would have. It's beyond ridiculous now anyway, so I wonder if the family ever saw that money .. still dying to hear all about that settlement (if there was one).
 
If I am reading this correctly, 4 calls were made to the hospital, not necessarily to Jacintha. Did they just keep calling to hit the 'jackpot' as she would be more gullible?

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A London Sunday Times investigation has claimed Southern Cross Austereo will present phone record evidence of four calls to the hospital, which previously denied it had been contacted for permission to air a controversial stunt,

An inquest into Ms Saldanha's suicide death is scheduled for September 12 and 13 where at least one of the presenters, Greig, has committed to testifying about her role in the prank.

An inquest into Ms Saldanha's suicide death is scheduled for September 12 and 13 where at least one of the presenters, Greig, has committed to testifying about her role in the prank.

End quote.

The inquest will be thorough and I am glad to see one of the radio presenters will testify.
 
These are calls they made after the recording before it was aired.

Here's my question though: If they really wanted permission to air the recorded call to Catherine's suite why were they calling the front desk? Did they not know how to look up and find the number to say a media consultant there, someone in the administration department? It is very 'iffy' that they simply tried to contact whoever was on night duty, as they would know that person did not have enough authority to grant any kind of release of the tape. If they kept getting through to Jacintha, of course she wasn't going to pass the call from Austereo on because she may have been told at that stage that it had been a prank and she was likely nervous.

It sounds to me like they made a very half hearted effort to get approval, which was doomed to fail, then went ahead and played it anyway.

What a shoddy operation.
 
Here we go with the reason the radio station didn't need legal approval for the hoax to be broadcast..

After the fourth call, we were advised internally we didn't need permission because [Saldanha] was not a resident of Australia."

2Day FM to disclose phone records to Jacintha Saldanha inquest
by MICHAEL LALLO - 03/09/13, 12:14 PM

Seeking answers ... Jacintha Saldanha's daughter Lisha, husband Ben Barboza and son Junal.

http://m.smh.com.au/entertainment/t...jacintha-saldanha-inquest-20130903-2t26a.html

I KNEW the whole thing was Hinky.
 
Wow, what does 'resident of Australia' have to do with anything? Getting sued I suppose, well that worked out well for them didn't it. Mass sackings required at Austereo. This is really embarrassing.

So may as well ask again just for fun, anyone know if they honoured the promise to pay the family Decembers advertising revenue? Don't answer, guess not.
 
THE family of a British nurse who was found dead after being hoaxed by Australian DJs has been asked to hand over medical records which may provide vital evidence on her state of mind at the time of her death.
The inquest into the death of Jacintha Saldanha was postponed for the second time yesterday with the Westminster coroner Dr Fiona Wilcox seeking unspecified "more information".

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world-news/r...in/story-fndir2ev-1226715696243#ixzz2eR91RlC0
 
THE family of a British nurse who was found dead after being hoaxed by Australian DJs has been asked to hand over medical records which may provide vital evidence on her state of mind at the time of her death.
The inquest into the death of Jacintha Saldanha was postponed for the second time yesterday with the Westminster coroner Dr Fiona Wilcox seeking unspecified "more information".

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world-news/r...in/story-fndir2ev-1226715696243#ixzz2eR91RlC0

That information is believed to be medical records that may suggest Ms Saldanha was predisposed to suicide and had made two previous attempts to take her own life. The request for information by the coroner is understood to have been met with some reluctance from the family.
It is understood Ms Saldanha, 46, had been diagnosed with a "depressive disorder" in January last year after she made two attempts on her own life while visiting family in her native India. She was placed on medication but her family was warned she was still at risk. It is not clear whether she was under medical treatment back in the UK

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/r...in/story-fndir2ev-1226715696243#ixzz2eRqj1F21

With a history of two suicide attempts, it will be very important to know whether she was under medical care in the UK and still on antidepressants.

My hunch is that the family and she herself were in total denial that she was still a suicide risk. Of course, the family did not want this news to come out as they were hoping for financial compensation from Austereo or the hospital.
 
Sounds like it Estelle .. it will be interesting to see the final verdict here.
 
People do get payouts for suicide.

From Twitter
The family of the Mossad agent who killed himself in an Israeli jail to be paid $1.2m by Israel's government. ow.ly/oLkJk

smh.com.au (@smh)
11/09/13 8:10 PM
 
Jacitha's health background is supposedly stalling as per 'tabloids'. I think she was disciplined more than other nurses involved.

1. Austero said that her citizenship was a factor in them airing the prank without legal clearance.

2. Did she as 'just a person operating the phones' have more disciplinary action than the UK nurse that passed along the info to Jacintha.

3. Did she go to work as an outsider shunned by her peers?

4. If she chose to leave the employment of the hospital, would they give her a good reference?
 
Amy Dale (@amydale_tele)
19/09/13 10:53 AM

#2DayFM say ACMA has no power to make "findings of criminal guilt" over the Royal prank call. In Fed court to block comm regulator's report

Chris Reason (@ChrisReason7)
19/09/13 10:44 AM

#2DayFM Fed Court case re suicide nurse Jacintha Saldanha - suppressed ACMA report found that the station did breach licence conditions

Chris Reason (@ChrisReason7)
19/09/13 10:50 AM
#2DayFM lawyers arguing ACMA has no power to make a finding of criminal guilt - "only place able to do that...the courts"

Chris Reason (@ChrisReason7)
19/09/13 11:32 AM
#2DayFM lawyers say it's "offensive" that ACMA is acting as judge, jury, prison warder and parole officer over phone call prank

Chris Reason (@ChrisReason7)
19/09/13 11:30 AM
#2DayFM lawyers say ACMA "a lay body", no lawyers, "no expertise" - so can't determine criminal guilt re phone prank

Antoinette Lattouf (@antoinette_TEN)
19/09/13 12:15 PM

#ACMA lawyers: we aren't trying to play judge. We make "regulatory decisions in public interest" re: ruling #2dayFM prankcall was a crime
 
Thanks for the updates Flinders .. I can't wait to see the ruling here.
 
“The incident received widespread notoriety”, said McClintock, citing the global media coverage the incident received. “Nothing would be more prejudicial than the finding by the ACMA.”
“Such a finding could do enormous damage to the licencee, such that the legislature could not have intended it.”
Neil Williams SC, acting on behalf of the ACMA, told the court the regulator was acting within its powers and noted that the preliminary report was not a final determination.
“There is no basis for saying this is the final report and that it will remain unchanged,” said Williams.
“This case is far from where the ACMA is solely determining guilt,” he said.
“We are simply at the finding stage and there is no case that we are fulfilling a judicial function. ”
UPDATE: Submissions have now concluded with Justice Edmonds reserving his judgment and declining to release the ACMA’s preliminary report on the matter.

Nic Christensen
http://mumbrella.com.au/2dayfm-claims-acma-royal-prank-report-prejudicial-178926
 
'S*** happens': Chairman of Australian radio station behind Royal DJ prank casually dismisses incident that 'caused nurse to commit suicide'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-chairman-Max-Moore-Wilton.html#ixzz2ijLPvVHy

While this guy worded his statement inappropriately, he has a point. Things do happen, and unfortunately that nurse obviously had a lot of other things going on. I really think it's time to stop bringing this up now...

An inquest into the death of Miss Saldanha was adjourned last month after Westminster Coroner Dr Fiona Wilcox asked the family to supply medical records that might provide evidence about her state of mind at the time of her death.

IMO the DJs and Austereo are the scapegoats in this case and the MSM in the UK are to blame. I have followed this case since the beginning and posted about it on another forum ever since.

Initially, I felt so sorry for Jacintha and her family but I have changed my mind since I heard that she tried to commit suicide once in December, 2011 and another time in January, 2012 - both in India where she was holidaying with her family. She was diagnosed with depression and put on antidepressants and should have been referred to a psychiatrist once she got back to the UK. IMO she should have been on suicide watch.

Jacintha Saldanha, who took her own life days after Australian DJs pretended to be the Queen and Prince Charles, apparently took an overdose of pills during a family trip to India last year.

She recovered after being rushed to hospital.

But nine days later the mum of two attempted suicide again after jumping from a building, according to reports in India.

Jacintha, 46, spent days in intensive care and was put on a course of antidepressants for nine months.

Last night, her brother Naveen Saldanha, 42, said: “We didn’t know about the first incident – but we knew about the second incident.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-middleton-prank-call-royal-1504231#ixzz2ijPoO4Pn

But we have to go back to the root of her problems. What caused her in 2011 to want to take two attempts to kill herself?

Was she unhappy at home or was she unhappy at work?

There is evidence that has been published in the MSM that Jacintha could have been bullied by hospital administration over the privacy breach and maybe hospital administrators and this should be investigated for their role in this evwen though they have denied this.

One needs look no further than Ontario, and specifically Peterborough Regional Health Centre, to see front line health care workers being bullied and terrorized by hospital administrators over privacy breaches.

The real culprits and the ones who should be criminally charged in the UK are the hospital administration. It seems she worked and lived at the Hospital and was on a medical alert restricted duties routine.

Knowing this why would the Senior Hospital Administrators and up to the CEO allow her to be screening telephone calls for a high security Royal?

Why would the Hospital release her name and allow it to be written beneath the media broadcast of the actual phone recording?

Was it an underhanded ploy to deflect blame from the hospital and the administrators?

What other possible reason would hospital administrators deliberately release the name of someone on suicide watch?

It seems some of the dots to why she may have committed suicide are starting to be connected and the hospital administrators seem more culpable than the DJs at this point. However the MSM seem to be protecting them.

I mean who are the professionals at mental health in this. A couple of DJs or hospital staff?

Privacy breaches have become the new justification to cover up incompetent hospital management's training on privacy and purge hospitals of unwanted employees.

What better environment to cut budgets and stifle criticism when your employees are terrified that one misspoken word can end a career.

However, IMO the workplace bullying must have started in 2011. I cannot find the link now but I have read that Jacintha was on day duty and a junior member of staff bullied her. They then put Jacintha on to the night shift as the solution to the problem rather than putting the junior on the night shift. The night shift is a lonely shift if you are depressed and have been bullied at work especially if you are without the support of your family during the week.

Your life is all work and no play - work at night and sleep all day.

However, I would be interested to know if her husband or she ever admitted to the hospital that she had tried to commit suicide twice before she returned to work and they all monitored her and made sure she took her medication and attended a psychiatrist regularly. Or did Jacintha and her husband just act as if nothing had happened and denied it?

If she was bullied at work, she could have applied for Worker's Compensation and taken her employers to court for compensation and taken six months off work on sick leave. IMO neither the hospital, her husband nor she took responsibility for her mental health as she could have argued that it was not a safe workplace for her and demanded the day shift if she had evidence.

Workplace bullying is a serious epidemic.

Kate Middleton's Nurse's Suicide Notes Show Post-Prank Bullying Contributed To Fatal Decision

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/annabel-burn/kate-middletons-nurses-su_b_2330479.html

This is a subject very close to my heart, having had personal experience of bullying at work, and also seeing friends suffering the same horrible problem.

So what exactly is workplace bullying?

Is it also a failure to defend people? it commonly takes the form of discrediting quality of work, gossip, rumour spreading and other tactics used to discredit an individual's reputation. It can be very hard to pin down because of it's often covert nature.

Specialist Pamela Lutgen-Sandvik says that workplace bullying is "persistent verbal and nonverbal aggression at work, that includes personal attacks, social ostracism, and a multitude of other painful messages and hostile interactions."

More often than not though, the lack of support and passivity of others in allowing bullies to operate, is the most damaging aspect. It seems we live in a society where we are increasingly reluctant to stick our necks out for each other. If Jacintha had seen more support from her colleagues, perhaps she would still be here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/annabel-burn/kate-middletons-nurses-su_b_2330479.html

Research by the Workplace Bullying Institute, suggests that the following are some of the most common tactics used by workplace bullies:

1. Falsely accusing someone of "errors" not actually made (71 percent).
2. Stared, glared, was nonverbally intimidating and was clearly showing hostility (68 percent).
3. Used the "silent treatment" to "ice out" and separate from others (64 percent).
4. Started, or failed to stop, destructive rumors or gossip about the person (56 percent).
5. Encouraged people to turn against the person being tormented (55 percent).
6. Singled out and isolated one person from other coworkers, either socially or physically (54 percent).
7. Publicly displayed gross, undignified, but not illegal, behavior (53 percent).
8. Stole credit for work done by others (plagiarism) (47 percent).
9. Used confidential information about a person to humiliate privately or publicly (45 percent).
10. Retaliated against the person after a complaint was filed (45 percent).
11. Made verbal put-downs/insults based on gender, race, accent, age or language, disability (44 percent).
12. Launched a baseless campaign to oust the person; effort not stopped by the employer (43 percent).

People's misfortune, (in Jacintha's case, answering a phone call), and personal lives should not be fodder for entertainment. Jacintha Saldanha wasn't an attention hungry celeb, she was an ordinary person doing the best she could. Why didn't anyone stick up for her?

The reason is that IMO she had been bullied in 2011 and maybe earlier in 2010 as it creeps up on you. I thought I was strong enough to deal with it as I loved teaching.

I was bullied for two years as a teacher by three member of staff one of which was a serial bully staff when I was a single parent raising two teenage children. It had detrimental effects on my mental health but luckily I went to a psychiatrist who put me on antidepressants and would not let me go back to work unless they offered me a psychologically safe workplace. I took them to court and won an out of court settlement of $35,000 in 2000, invested the money in shares and became self-employed after that experience.

I once thought about suicide hoping I would have a car accident which would kill me but that is as far as I ever went. I suffered what is called "reactive depression and anxiety". This experience ended my teaching career of 30 years since I was in my 20s and I had to sign a document that I would not go to the media or ever work for that organisation again. The best thing about it is that the shares I bought are now worth over $350,000 bought in 2000!

The bottom line is that the first psychiatrist I went to told me to resign as I did not belong in such a dysfunctional culture but I wanted justice and hung on to get it. I would now advise anyone to resign as soon as the workplace bullying starts as most people do not survive after it as you are isolated and usually only competent people are bullied.

This is why I have the utmost empathy and compassion for Jacintha's situation and wish I could have counselled her. My profession since I left teaching has been to counsel people who have been bullied in the workplace as I am a graduate in psychology but have chosen not to be verified here.

Suicide is such a waste of human life!
 
Well, I think we now know why only Mel's career was ruined because of this call, she was the person who wanted the radio station to pull it back a notch. I do think though that her presentation to media over this issue did her no favours. I feel like the story on Sunday Night was manipulative and minimised some key facts.

In particular that the person to blame for the suicide was the nurse herself, and nobody (including a radio station) should be blamed for a decision she made, and had been trying to make for a long time.

Also, is it just me, but is mentioning the radio presenters paying her mortgage in the suicide note rubbing other people up the wrong way?
 

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