UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #11

[JosieJo]

I do wonder how it went down with Jury especially if she has not shown any emotion before.

It could just be emotion that happened to surface then

But it could well come across as a tantrum

 

[Officer Dibble]

The court artist impression of LL makes her hair look very brown. JMO You can see it here: Lucy Letby breaks down as consultant gives evidence at murder trial EDITED to say I have now turned up my very dim screen light! Hair not as dark as I first thought.

 

[MsBetsy]

I absolutely do not believe in coincidences like these.

Suddenly an "out of the blue" project checking staff movement appeared and...

Ladies and Gentlemen!

A CoC Hospital was chosen! Wow!

JMO

Not to mention a group of Doctors had gone before the board to voice their concerns well before the start of the investigation in 2017.

The changes would make it much more difficult for someone to commit murders in plain sight.

 

[katydid23]

I wonder if the screened witness was aware of what was happening with the defendant while she was having her meltdown?

 

[Tortoise]

I wonder if the screened witness was aware of what was happening with the defendant while she was having her meltdown?

I think so. The proceedings were interrupted as he was giving his name and then he had to re-state his name again afterwards.

 

[Tortoise]

Morning guys, just catching up with this week, thank you for everyone who is doing the updating and the biggest thanks to @Tortoise whose timelines have kept me sane.

Thank you

 

[katydid23]

Neonatal nurse Lucy Letby, 33, breaks down as paediatric consultant gives evidence at murder trial - Newsfeeds

Neonatal nurse Lucy Letby, 33, who is accused of murdering seven babies breaks down in tears as paediatric consultant gives evidence at murder trial Lucy Letby stood up and walked to the door leading to cells in Manchester court She appeared upset as a paediatric consultant gave evidence in her...

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Neonatal nurse Lucy Letby, 33, breaks down as paediatric consultant gives evidence at murder trial​

February 16, 2023 Newsfeeds

Neonatal nurse Lucy Letby, 33, who is accused of murdering seven babies breaks down in tears as paediatric consultant gives evidence at murder trial​

• Lucy Letby stood up and walked to the door leading to cells in Manchester court
• She appeared upset as a paediatric consultant gave evidence in her murder trial
• Letby, 33, denies murdering seven babies and attempting to murder 10 others

By Nigel Bunyan

PUBLISHED: 20:04 GMT, 16 February 2023 | UPDATED: 20:04 GMT, 16 February 2023

A neonatal nurse accused of murdering seven babies and attempting to kill a further ten broke down in tears today as a paediatric consultant began to give evidence at her trial.


Lucy Letby, 33, stood up in the glass-panelled dock and walked swiftly to the door leading to the cells at Manchester Crown Court.
She appeared visibly upset as a woman security officer approached her and began a hushed conversation.

Lucy Letby, 33, stood up in the glass-panelled dock and walked swiftly to the door leading to the cells at Manchester Crown Court

Letby took a few moments to compose herself before returning to the seat she has occupied throughout her 16-week trial
The nurse’s emotional outburst came as the paediatrician, who cannot be named for legal reasons, began to give evidence from behind a privacy screen that gave him no view of the dock.

The trial judge, Mr Justice Goss, saw the drama unfold in front of him and asked a defence solicitor to ‘just see what the problem is’.
A male lawyer walked the few feet to the dock and spoke briefly to Letby through the glass screen.

Moments later the defendant’s barrister, Ben Myers KC, had his own conversation with her.

Letby was still wiping tears from her eyes, this time with tissues from a box beside her, as the proceedings resumed.

She also took a few sips of water from a paper cup.

The consultant was asked for a second time to confirm his name and occupation. His evidence lasted only a few minutes as he took Simon Driver, prosecuting, through some medical notes relating to Baby L, one of a set of twins, whom Letby is alleged to have injected with insulin.

 

[Dotta]

I think I know more about her than I did two days ago.

My guess is this was about him asking to be screened from her. She knew he was going to testify, at some point. His doctor's notes would have been read into evidence on Wednesday. His appearance wasn't a surprise and she'd had time to privately have her feelings about that.

I think a screen, in certain situations, could make a very powerful statement.

As adults we all know how to cry quietly in public settings, and not make a scene.

IMO, either she chose not to remain composed, or she didn't have control over herself. Both can lead to further information about her.

I believe, if she chose to make a scene so that she could 'speak' to him about her feelings through the screen, she was trying to have an effect on him, and it was more important than the trial setting and the jury.

I believe it's the latter, that she had a burst of feelings, feelings of impotence perhaps, not brought on by him but by the screen, she had anticipated being able to see him, he quashed that anticipation, and she was impulsive and had some kind of a child-like reaction, perhaps rage. It doesn't feel like sadness with the associated drama. IMO

Interesting that he decided to choose the screen.
It was not for anonymity's sake, right?
After almost a decade, emotions seem to still run high.

Although, other witnesses also asked for a screen.

JMO

 

[Tortoise]

Interesting that he decided to choose the screen.
It was not for anonymity's sake, right?
After almost a decade, emotions seem to still run high.

Although, other witnesses also asked for a screen.

JMO

He's anonymous only in press reports.

 

[Dotta]

He's anonymous only in press reports.

So, it might mean that all witnesses who are anonymous to Press use the screen.
It is nothing personal against LL.
JMO

 

[Tortoise]

So, it might mean that all witnesses who are anonymous to Press use the screen.
It is nothing personal against LL.
JMO

It's their choice to be anonymous and use a screen.

 

[Dotta]

It's their choice to be anonymous and use a screen.

I know.
I mean it was his choice to remain anonymous to the world - hence the screen.

But it was not his intention to "hide" from her.
So she cried with emotion not b/c she couldn't see him, but that he appeared there.

I think she didn't know he would testify.
Or if she knew, she still couldn't help herself.
She is human, after all.

I guess a Judge, being a man, was distressed with typical female "drama"

JMO

 

[Sweeper2000]

Another piece to the puzzle. if he is a junior doctor then again could be fitting for someone seen as a potential partner by LL. he would be about 30 maybe slightly younger, still older than LL only by a few years. very potentially a prospective partner.

“He added: 'I was not thinking at the time that someone might have administered insulin. The results showed that, but unfortunately the junior doctors who read them didn't realise the significance'.”

Lucy Letby breaks down as consultant gives evidence at murder trial

Lucy Letby, 33, stood up in the glass-panelled dock and walked swiftly to the door leading to the cells at Manchester Crown Court as a paediatric consultant began to give evidence at her 16-week trial.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Marantz4250b]

It's their choice to be anonymous and use a screen.

Is it though? I was under the impression that the fact that so many witnesses names could not be reported was related to the order preventing the republication of the victims names. To prevent identification through association, if you will.

 

[katydid23]

Another piece to the puzzle. if he is a junior doctor then again could be fitting for someone seen as a potential partner by LL. he would be about 30 maybe slightly younger, still older than LL only by a few years. very potentially a prospective partner.

“He added: 'I was not thinking at the time that someone might have administered insulin. The results showed that, but unfortunately the junior doctors who read them didn't realise the significance'.”

Lucy Letby breaks down as consultant gives evidence at murder trial

Lucy Letby, 33, stood up in the glass-panelled dock and walked swiftly to the door leading to the cells at Manchester Crown Court as a paediatric consultant began to give evidence at her 16-week trial.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don't think he was a junior doctor. He was speaking about the junior doctors who did not understand the significance of the blood readings, until he arrived, as a consultant.

The recent articles refer to him as a consultant.

"The consultant was asked for a second time to confirm his name and occupation."
"paediatric-consultant-gives-evidence-murder-trial"

If he was a paediatric consultant he would be older than 30 for sure:


How do I become a Paediatric consultant UK?
You'll need to complete:

1. a 5-year degree in medicine, recognised by the General Medical Council.
2. a 2-year foundation course of general training.
3. 4 to 7 years of specialist training, depending on your chosen area of medicine.

But even if he was in his late 30's or early 40's, he still could have been someone she was interested in romantically. Plenty of young nurses go on to marry doctors who are older than they are.

 

[Tortoise]

Is it though? I was under the impression that the fact that so many witnesses names could not be reported was related to the order preventing the republication of the victims names. To prevent identification through association, if you will.

Why were you under that impression?

Why would the babies be identified through association with so many nurses and doctors, but not the other nurses and doctors?

 

[Sweeper2000]

I don't think he was a junior doctor. He was speaking about the junior doctors who did not understand the significance of the blood readings, until he arrived, as a consultant.

The recent articles refer to him as a consultant.

"The consultant was asked for a second time to confirm his name and occupation."
"paediatric-consultant-gives-evidence-murder-trial"

If he was a paediatric consultant he would be older than 30 for sure:


How do I become a Paediatric consultant UK?
You'll need to complete:

1. a 5-year degree in medicine, recognised by the General Medical Council.
2. a 2-year foundation course of general training.
3. 4 to 7 years of specialist training, depending on your chosen area of medicine.

But even if he was in his late 30's or early 40's, he still could have been someone she was interested in romantically. Plenty of young nurses go on to marry doctors who are older than they are.

its dr John Gibbs speaking about the junior doctors Not the unnamed paediatric consultant. I thought if he was someone who read the insulin results and didn’t realise the significance he was probably one of the juniors at the time, on his way in Training to become a full PC. I was betting on him being older than LL at the time but not by much. Around thirty maybe slight older maybe slightly younger but still older. Not ruling out he was much older but going with the done thing wouldn’t presume over 35. Remember she was 25 at the time.

assuming he started Training to be a PC at 18 after all of this

1. a 5-year degree in medicine, recognised by the General Medical Council.
2. a 2-year foundation course of general training.
3. 4 to 7 years of specialist training, depending on your chosen area of medicine.

that still places him as 32 With a max 7 years specialist training.

 

[Dotta]

Well,
I think staff still employed in this hospital are all screened and anonymous to the public.

It makes sense, nobody wants to be harassed - either by media or some weirdos
JMO

 

[JosieJo]

its dr John Gibbs speaking about the junior doctors Not the unnamed paediatric consultant. I thought if he was someone who read the insulin results and didn’t realise the significance he was probably one of the juniors at the time, on his way in Training to become a full PC. I was betting on him being older than LL at the time but not by much. Around thirty maybe slight older maybe slightly younger but still older. Not ruling out he was much older but going with the done thing wouldn’t presume over 35. Remember she was 25 at the time.

assuming he started Training to be a PC at 18 after all of this

1. a 5-year degree in medicine, recognised by the General Medical Council.
2. a 2-year foundation course of general training.
3. 4 to 7 years of specialist training, depending on your chosen area of medicine.

that still places him as 32 With a max 7 years specialist training.

The doctor - a registrar at the hospital in 2016 - gave his evidence screened from the public gallery and the defendant.

He was Reg at the time consultant now

Lucy Letby: Murder-accused nurse breaks down at trial - BBC News

The murder-accused nurse abruptly leaves her seat as a doctor begins to give evidence.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Sweeper2000]

The doctor - a registrar at the hospital in 2016 - gave his evidence screened from the public gallery and the defendant.

He was Reg at the time consultant now

Lucy Letby: Murder-accused nurse breaks down at trial - BBC News

The murder-accused nurse abruptly leaves her seat as a doctor begins to give evidence.

www.bbc.co.uk

What’s your guess to his age then josie jo? About thirty maybe younger?