UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #18

[Dotta]

A standard tactic of interviewers in police is trying to appear informal to the suspect. It reduces anxiety and increases the chance the suspect will be more forthcoming with information and less cagey about the answers they give. More talk= more opportunities for them to make mistakes, that’s the kind of thing I’m talking about when “playing people”.

Im afraid this technique wouldn't work on me haha

It would only piss me more, it is sooo obvious and patronizing.

Fortunately, Im not a defendant

 

[notsure]

Im afraid this technique wouldn't work on me haha

It would only piss me more, it is sooo obvious and patronizing.

Fortunately, Im not a defendant

It doesn't appear to have worked on her either, if guilty, etc.

 

[JosieJo]

She's clearly reasonably intelligent as she's relatively high banded for someone who was 25 at the time and was looking to become band 6 so has progressed fairly rapidly. She also seems to be able to handle herself pretty well in police interviews which tends to make me think that she's not quite the shy, clumsy person she seems to be being painted as.

Intelligence isn't the same as social awareness and having an ability to appreciate others actions and how you're perceived, though. Some remarkably intelligent people seem to have very few social skills or "common sense" when dealing with everyday occurrences.

Band 5 is the lowest band for a Registered nurse ..you automatically start on 5 as soon as you qualify

 

[JosieJo]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Ms Letby told detectives she did not know why Child M desaturated. The only thing she could recall was that it was a 'busy shift' as it was 'not very often we had that many babies in nursery one'
12:37 PM · Apr 25, 2023

Asked if she had caused the infants collapse, she said 'I didn’t cause that and I don’t know who would have'. She denied administering air in a bid to kill Child M
12:38 PM · Apr 25, 2023

Ms Letby was asked about a paper towel found at her home address when it was searched in 2018. The towel was used in 2016 as a make do drugs chart for Child M during his resuscitation - police asked Ms Letby why this was in her possession and why was it in her home
12:43 PM · Apr 25, 2023

Ms Letby said it was an 'error' on her part that it had been taken home. Asked why it had not been destroyed, she said it must have been put to one side and forgotten about. She denied keeping it to remind her of 'when she attacked' Child M
12:44 PM · Apr 25, 2023

Among the items seized by police was also Ms Letby's diary, on 8 April 2016 is written: "LD [long day] twins". The following day is written: "LD twins resus" Ms Letby was asked why she had logged this - she said it was because it was a 'significant event'
12:47 PM · Apr 25, 2023

I was convinced the twin resus diary entry was not suspicious as she could have put dates in during her grievance...but she has now said otherwise

 

[notsure]

I was convinced the twin resus diary entry was not suspicious as she could have put dates in during her grievance...but she has now said otherwise

That was an interesting revelation today.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Im afraid this technique wouldn't work on me haha

It would only piss me more, it is sooo obvious and patronizing.

Fortunately, Im not a defendant

Yet Dotta, yet. Raises eyebrow.

 

[Dotta]

Yet Dotta, yet. Raises eyebrow.

Dont wish me that!!!!
Remember?
KARMA
Hahaha

 

[Sweeper2000]

I was convinced the twin resus diary entry was not suspicious as she could have put dates in during her grievance...but she has now said otherwise

What’s that?

 

[ColourPurple]

It’s not smart it’s extremely dumb. She never failed to put in the notes the times she administered treatment for others designated babies and if she was using that as cover to attack them she was quite literally placing herself at the scene unnecessarily if guilty. That’s one of the things I was looking out for, someone saying she had seen ll administer treatment that wasn’t in the notes.

That’s one of the things I was looking out for, someone saying she had seen ll administer treatment that wasn’t in the notes.

Which is exactly why she didnt do that IMO. if guilty, THAT would be stupid IMO.They would know that she was at the scene, or had been shortly before, as nine times out of ten the other employees saw her there or knew she'd just been there, so the notes were needed to give her a legitimate reason to have been there and/or to have been giving treatment or feeds etc.!I Imagine if she was there every time without any legitimate reason to be. Another legitimate reason she could use for just being there and NOT giving meds etc, was being asked to(or deciding to) keep an eye on a baby while the designated nurse was on break!

IMO if guilty etc.

 

[Cluedoneit]

I’m confident if it was ferrero roche he would have kept them.

I don’t think asking for things one wants or makes life easier for you is manipulation. However if ll asked for doc choc to attend purely for an opportunity to show off that is manipulating and it shows her intentions and attentions were on herself rather than correctly on the baby.

I don’t think the example where she wanted to be in room 1 means anything.the way the text where she mentions “meds in room 1” reads to me is that she’s saying I have been in there, it’s not exactly what I wanted but will suffice.

It’s not asking to go into the room that’s manipulation. It’s pointing out that someone else did it ( who wasn’t there to confirm) and hiding that you’d already done the thing you were asking for until the other person agreed. As the mum of 2 teenage daughters I call it ‘the everybody else can do it , why can’t I and dad already agreed’ ( who you find did no so thing when he Comes home) manipulation tactic, beloved of teenage girls the world over.

 

[ColourPurple]

It’s not asking to go into the room that’s manipulation. It’s pointing out that someone else did it ( who wasn’t there to confirm) and hiding that you’d already done the thing you were asking for until the other person agreed. As the mum of 2 teenage daughters I call it ‘the everybody else can do it , why can’t I and dad already agreed’ ( who you find did no so thing when he Comes home) manipulation tactic, beloved of teenage girls the world over.

And throw in a little bit of emotional blackmail too with the "Just don't feel like there is much team spirit tonight x""

IMO

 

[notsure]

And throw in a little bit of emotional blackmail too with the "Just don't feel like there is much team spirit tonight x""

IMO

There's definitely an emotionally immature vibe coming through, IMO.

 

[marynnu]

What did you make of her saying of Baby A:

"Forget it, I can only talk about it properly with those who knew him, and Mel not interested so I'll overcome it myself

I find it very strange. You don't 'know' newborns, certainly not if you aren't a parent or close relative. I can't imagine any other member of staff feeling like tnhs. It's another example of over-involvement in my view.

 

[notsure]

I find it very strange. You don't 'know' newborns, certainly not if you aren't a parent or close relative. I can't imagine any other member of staff feeling like tnhs. It's another example of over-involvement in my view.

It's almost like she thinks the others aren't playing the hospital drama role correctly, imo.

 

[marynnu]

"Not the vented baby necessarily, I just feel I need to be in 1, to get the image out of my head. Mel said the same and E let her go.

I wonder if Mel Taylor really did say the same? Was Mel there for Baby B's collapse the previous night too? It does sound like LL may have been jealous that Mel was allowed in room 1 when she wasn't . I know it's been pondered before whether "Not good enough" is referring to not being considered good enough to go in room 1 with the sickest babies. Food for thought. IMO

All JMO

I'd be VERY surprised if Mel said the same thing, to be honest.

 

[ColourPurple]

I find it very strange. You don't 'know' newborns, certainly not if you aren't a parent or close relative. I can't imagine any other member of staff feeling like tnhs. It's another example of over-involvement in my view.

That's the vibe I was getting. Similar to her wondering in her note if anybody but her would be thinking of babies O and P on their birthday,

I just wanted to check that it wasn't a common turn of phrase in NNUs

 

[Dotta]

There's definitely an emotionally immature vibe coming through, IMO.

Even her bedroom (colour pink, mess) looks like teen's.
And the Bear diary/calendar.
Primary school girls love such "cute" things.

JMO

 

[WaxLyrical]

What’s that?

When asked about putting it in her diary she said because it was a significant event. Which suggests she wrote it at the time of the event, rather than writing it retrospectively when creating a timeline etc.

 

[notsure]

Just a thought... Do you think they have maybe analysed her handwriting? I'm not sure how much of a thing forensic graphology is these days in crime solving ...

 

[Cluedoneit]

I'd be VERY surprised if Mel said the same thing, to be honest.

I agree, how Likely is it that Mel was in bits and begging E to be put into room 1, but at the same time ‘not interested’ in discussing it with Lucy. Very strange.