UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #18

[Dotta]

I think it's technique, building rapport.

I see.

But only if she could answer
"Sure, Mike"

Instead of "Yes, Sir"

 

[Tortoise]

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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2m

We're now onto the interview summary for Child P - Child O's triplet brother, who the Crown say was murdered by Ms Letby the day after Child O's death

 

[Officer Dibble]

Remember doc choc mentioned the above average mortality rates at the coch. Ll herself mentioned the two deaths before the suspension from the unit. She would have a idea at least.

I'm intrigued what the inference of Choc is regarding the doc?

 

[ColourPurple]

Only my opinion, but don't see it as particularly smart to be honest. Babies dying just after she started/finished shifts, clusters of deaths and there were ample opportunities to be discovered. Consultants with strong suspicions and if whoever had received the insulin results had understand or followed up on them.

If guilty she was extremely 'lucky' to get away with it for so long. I don't see a huge amount of planning and intelligence about it all

I agree that, if guilty, at the end, the arrogance/over-confidence/feeling of invincibility/inability to resist the compulsion, which resulted in her allegedly attacking three babies in three days, was her downfall.

However, I think to even have the foresight to allegedly think "Oh this baby has a bleeding condition I'll chose a method that involves bleeding", "Oh this baby had low blood sugar, I'll chose a method that will give him low blood sugar" etc. etc. shows a certain level of cunning .


All JMO , if guilty

 

[Officer Dibble]

I agree that she comes across as very average. Quite basic in fact.

But if guilty, then I would say this is the image she wants to give off, and that's how she wants people to see her.

The discrepancies in her notes in some of the cases do point to a cunning nature and trying to cover her back, but I still wouldn't say she's super intelligent. And I also think the famous notes appear to show that she may not be as normal as she's wanting to portray, but as it's been pointed out, we're not totally sure when they were written so that could play a part. JMO.

So you are wondering if she is Masking in public/at work? JMO

 

[Tortoise]

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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11m

Ms Letby said Child P's death was unexpected. She told police the parents had asked her to take pictures of the twins after their deaths top and tail in a Moses basket. 'If that’s what they wanted, I wanted to do it', she said

Police asked Ms Letby about a comment from nurse Kathryn Percival-Calderbank. She said Letby expressed that she was unhappy at being put in the outside nurseries. "She said it was boring and she didn't want to feed babies. She wanted to be in the intensive care."

Ms Letby said 'I don’t recall calling my work boring in any capacity'

 

[Dotta]

I agree that, if guilty, at the end, the arrogance/over-confidence/feeling of invincibility/inability to resist the compulsion, which resulted in her allegedly attacking three babies in three days, was her downfall.

However, I think to even have the foresight to allegedly think "Oh this baby has a bleeding condition I'll chose a method that involves bleeding", "Oh this baby had low blood sugar, I'll chose a method that will give him low blood sugar" etc. etc. shows a certain level of cunning .


All JMO , if guilty

I agree.
It requires cleverness (skill and knowledge) to plot and achieve one's ends.

JMO

 

[Tortoise]

I'm intrigued what the inference of Choc is regarding the doc?

he bought chocolate for her

 

[Dotta]

he bought chocolate for her

I think a grateful patient brought chocolate to doctor/s.
JMO

 

[Tortoise]

I think a grateful patient brought chocolate to doctor/s.
JMO

unwanted goods then

 

[Tortoise]

come on Dan, give us a Q before 4pm perleease

 

[Dotta]

come on Dan, give us a Q before 4pm perleease

I wonder what tomorrow will bring?

 

[Tortoise]

I wonder what tomorrow will bring?

nothing, court is off tomorrow, again.

 

[Dotta]

nothing, court is off tomorrow, again.

Ooops!

 

[Tortoise]

I bet he's slipped out early to write up his report

I can't believe they'd finish today on baby P.

 

[Sweeper2000]

unwanted goods then

I’m confident if it was ferrero roche he would have kept them.

That’s an interesting viewpoint Sweeper, as we have numerous examples where she’s manipulated people in order to arrange things to her satisfaction. Baby C for example, she’s assigned to a very sick baby in room 3, but manipulated the conversation to persuade her colleague to agree to her going into room 1 for a bit, almost like requesting permission from her, even though Letby already knew she’d spent time in room 1 before that ’permission’ was given, but didn’t reveal it until her colleague suggested it would be ok. What purpose was complaining about something she’d already done and hiding it until your friend agreed it’d be ok Apart from having someone else to point to if her supervisor reprimands her for it? She also suggested Mel also felt the same, even though we have zero evidence that Mel did, and we know that Mel had lost baby A but hadn’t had the resus of Baby B, so was in a completely different situation. Whether innocent or guilty, that kind of behaviour shows very high levels of manipulation and cunning imo.

I don’t think asking for things one wants or makes life easier for you is manipulation. However if ll asked for doc choc to attend purely for an opportunity to show off that is manipulating and it shows her intentions and attentions were on herself rather than correctly on the baby.

I don’t think the example where she wanted to be in room 1 means anything.the way the text where she mentions “meds in room 1” reads to me is that she’s saying I have been in there, it’s not exactly what I wanted but will suffice.

 

[Sweeper2000]

So is she admitting here that she made this note in diary at the time of event rather than as has been mulled over here to make a timeline of events after she was moved to clerical duties.

I think the notes known to be written in the diary at the time of the events have all been memotioned as that case was presented and all the others in a different colo pen were writt Afterwards.

 

[Dotta]

I think the notes known to and all the others in a different colo pen were writt Afterwar.

After which War do you mean?

 

[Sweeper2000]

Only my opinion, but don't see it as particularly smart to be honest. Babies dying just after she started/finished shifts, clusters of deaths and there were ample opportunities to be discovered. Consultants with strong suspicions and if whoever had received the insulin results had understand or followed up on them.

If guilty she was extremely 'lucky' to get away with it for so long. I don't see a huge amount of planning and intelligence about it all

It’s not smart it’s extremely dumb. She never failed to put in the notes the times she administered treatment for others designated babies and if she was using that as cover to attack them she was quite literally placing herself at the scene unnecessarily if guilty. That’s one of the things I was looking out for, someone saying she had seen ll administer treatment that wasn’t in the notes.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Sorry, but why would the detective call her by the first name:
"Why did you....., Lucy?"

Shouldn't it be "Ms Letby"?
She is an adult woman after all.

I ask b/c it is regarded somehow rude to use only a first name in formal settings, especially when talking to strangers (where I live).
Im just curious.

JMO

A standard tactic of interviewers in police is trying to appear informal to the suspect. It reduces anxiety and increases the chance the suspect will be more forthcoming with information and less cagey about the answers they give. More talk= more opportunities for them to make mistakes, that’s the kind of thing I’m talking about when “playing people”.